That Anonymous Coward (profile), 12 Oct 2021 @ 2:43pm
So the question that should be answered is who owns the company creating these things & figure out which members of Congress are in their pocket.
One would think after the TSA played hide the machines with the last investigation into machines that never did what was promised but we kept buying there would be rules... but then keeping Congress financed matters more... I mean its only our money & we don't dare ask questions or the terrorists will win!!! Meanwhile the scammers & grifters are winning.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 8 Oct 2021 @ 4:07pm
"“You haven’t done it yet?” "
Why would we do anything not required of us by law?
You passed it, we're just following those requirements you created.
What are these other things you are demanding we do? They aren't part of the law.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 8 Oct 2021 @ 4:03pm
Re: Re: Re: the courts are drawing a funny distinction
It isn't a private person telling the computer to look for evidence.
They are running a program that seeks matches to known CP image hashes.
Every image crossing their network is checked again the master database.
The companies never look at the contents themselves.
TOS warns them these checks are made & will be forwarded to the proper authorities (Not that people read those).
TOS can't suspend a persons rights, not even a suspected pedophile.
They hash the file because its a very fast way to check files.
While collisions aren't common, they can happen & minor changes can alter the hash for what to the human eye looks like the same image.
We can't throw someone in jail because a hash matched, someone needs to get permission from the court to check the image because now the government is performing a search based on evidence but a court needs to be convinced its on the up and up, not just a random report.
NCMCE is the main clearing house for these checks, they have a great track record at being correct but I do not know if any court has ruled their system is completely perfect and I doubt that would still be enough to pretend rights aren't rights.
It provides a match that carries more weight than well we think he might be creepy or we saw him walking by a park.
They got sloppy because well, the target is almost always a bad guy, but that isn't how rights work.
They literally could have had a prefilled form where they just type in a few details and put it before a Judge & it would have been approved.
They got a lead from what is considered a trusted informant that a crime was happening, but failed to follow the rules.
People might be mad & pissed off a pedophile got off, but we've seen what happens when they play fast and loose with peoples rights they tend to even ignore the "good guys" rights as well.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 8 Oct 2021 @ 9:06am
Re: For want of five bloody minutes of work...
Well courts so often are willing to bend & flex the alleged rights we have to keep cops happy & because the citizen obviously was a bad guy.
Creating exceptions and holes that then keep being widened by cops to lazy to slap some names into a form isn't how it is supposed to work.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the law of the land & just because someone hands you a sealed envelope that someone else handed them that they all claim has evidence you are a bad bad man isn't evidence.
Gathering evidence has rules & as much as it sucks when you don't follow those rules & you screw 100's of cases you did in the same slipshod way, perhaps maybe just maybe we need to remind them to follow the actual rules & make sure they cross every t dot every i rather than try to find ways to salvage the case they screwed by breaking the rules.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 7 Oct 2021 @ 10:23am
Re: Re:
Because every corporation providing them any service tends to put big flashing warning lights on their accounts.
They are handed a special Comcast help number to use when they have a problem with their service, which gets them the white glove service they think we all get.
This isn't an anomaly, its feeds into the bubble Congress operates in where they think everything is fine, because they never had that problem.
Ron Wyden is an anomaly because he actually seems to give a shit how these things harm lots of citizens, the cost to stop it isn't that great, but without a law forcing them to do it corporations won't because it might lower stock price by .003 cents.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 7 Oct 2021 @ 10:18am
Just wow.
Something something zero tolerance policies allow for zero thought and lead to shitty outcomes.
Out of a group of 100 people if even 1 thinks somehow it might offend/upset/steal imaginary money it must come down.
The platform taking it down doesn't want to discuss it because its what the law demands they do to be protected & no one can pay a human enough to speak to other people trying to explain the complete insanity involved. It's easier to offend a user (who honestly has no other options because they all do this) than to risk that an 80 yr old on the bench might side with those goofy ass lawyers making the mickey mouse claims that some moron out on pluto will think that this is an offering from the sweatshop of mouse.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 7 Oct 2021 @ 10:11am
yawns
Humans never learn anything.
The magical land of Oz where there is no 230, has now made rulings highly damaging to them (and really fscking insane) but they are still grumbling about trying to neuter 230.
The left hand not paying attention to the right hand trying to cut it off?
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 7 Oct 2021 @ 9:45am
It would be nice if we stopped pretending corporations were innocent in all of this & forced them to pay to fix the damage they caused for people.
The corporations are not the victims, they aren't out anything.
People who had their ID's stolen are then left to spend stupid amounts of money to prove it wasn't them that opened that credit card & ran it up.
If we demanded rape victims had to pay for their rape kits to be processed, outside of texas where rapist have been all removed, people would/should be outraged... but when someone manages to steal your identity & run up bills the system protects the corporations from losses by demanding the innocent victim pay to prove they are innocent.
All of this data is stolen over and over and over and over & used to steal over and over and over and over...
perhaps its time to admit how this data is used is the problem & demand the industry making big bucks & sticking innocent people with big bills to clean up needs to actually take it seriously & do more to protect the public & tighten things up so its harder for someone with a SS#, your dogs name, and the 3rd grade teachers name to get a $75,000 loan.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 7 Oct 2021 @ 9:32am
" three other Google keyword warrants that were used in the investigation into serial Austin bombings in 2018, which resulted in the deaths of two people "
Because no one living in terror of being blown up next would EVER ask a search engine about pipe bombs, its not like they are super unique things in popular culture.
Humans never ever hear about something & then google search it to try to learn more.
What is shredding a few more imaginary rights to be 'safe'?
They'll only use it against "bad guys", we can trust them despite the repeated evidence they can & will misuse it.
Its really sort of sad investigations have now been replaced with just Googling it.
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 6 Oct 2021 @ 9:36pm
One does wonder how many other media outlets are just spun up to generate good buzz for causes... I mean its like someone could 'donate' an unlimited amount of coverage and airtime to 1 politician over another... maybe leaning towards one who pushes legislation that benefits the source of the spun up...
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 5 Oct 2021 @ 7:47pm
Amusing things...
All of their IoT control systems had no redundancy, some were unable to get into buildings, others were unable to access conference rooms to have meetings about what to do.
They had a emergency IRC server for just such a failure... hosted on the main missing domain.
They had people with physical access, who had no idea how to fix it.
The people who knew how to fix it could not get physical access.
Having played tech support more than once... how the hell do you fix the BGP by trying to remember the screens & giving instructions to someone remotely who might have only ever had to press a reset button once before?
Then there was the InstaAddicts DDoS of Cloudflare, people using the 1.1.1.1 DNS server and all of them hammering F5 repeatedly just in case FB managed to unfsck itself in the last 3 nanoseconds.
I have yet to hear how many 911 calls were made.
(Why are you staring at me, people have called over dumber shit than FB being down... you know there were calls.)
I expect thousands of lawsuits by friday from angry users.
(1800Icantbelieveitsalawfirm needs work)
Somewhere you know there is a Q adherent spinning a tale about how the 5G & Heavy Electricity causing FB to go offline when the power pylons melted down.
(Yes I saw a screenshot and for the life of me I can't tell if its Poe or not.)
That Anonymous Coward (profile), 5 Oct 2021 @ 3:25pm
Re: Re: Re:Whistleblower trials...
I enjoyed the way she casually told them that this sort of oversight is her jam while saying we need a governmental body to oversee it.
Why settle for FB dollars when you can get Governmental dollars.
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So the question that should be answered is who owns the company creating these things & figure out which members of Congress are in their pocket.
One would think after the TSA played hide the machines with the last investigation into machines that never did what was promised but we kept buying there would be rules... but then keeping Congress financed matters more... I mean its only our money & we don't dare ask questions or the terrorists will win!!! Meanwhile the scammers & grifters are winning.
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But its only a few bad apples...
Perhaps, its time to stop putting apples into these barrels that are breeding grounds for things that make them bad?
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"“You haven’t done it yet?” "
Why would we do anything not required of us by law?
You passed it, we're just following those requirements you created.
What are these other things you are demanding we do? They aren't part of the law.
On the post: Court Tells Child Sexual Abuse Investigators That The Private Search Warrant Exception Only Works When There's A Private Search
Re: Re: Re: the courts are drawing a funny distinction
It isn't a private person telling the computer to look for evidence.
They are running a program that seeks matches to known CP image hashes.
Every image crossing their network is checked again the master database.
The companies never look at the contents themselves.
TOS warns them these checks are made & will be forwarded to the proper authorities (Not that people read those).
TOS can't suspend a persons rights, not even a suspected pedophile.
They hash the file because its a very fast way to check files.
While collisions aren't common, they can happen & minor changes can alter the hash for what to the human eye looks like the same image.
We can't throw someone in jail because a hash matched, someone needs to get permission from the court to check the image because now the government is performing a search based on evidence but a court needs to be convinced its on the up and up, not just a random report.
NCMCE is the main clearing house for these checks, they have a great track record at being correct but I do not know if any court has ruled their system is completely perfect and I doubt that would still be enough to pretend rights aren't rights.
It provides a match that carries more weight than well we think he might be creepy or we saw him walking by a park.
They got sloppy because well, the target is almost always a bad guy, but that isn't how rights work.
They literally could have had a prefilled form where they just type in a few details and put it before a Judge & it would have been approved.
They got a lead from what is considered a trusted informant that a crime was happening, but failed to follow the rules.
People might be mad & pissed off a pedophile got off, but we've seen what happens when they play fast and loose with peoples rights they tend to even ignore the "good guys" rights as well.
On the post: Court Tells Child Sexual Abuse Investigators That The Private Search Warrant Exception Only Works When There's A Private Search
Re: For want of five bloody minutes of work...
Well courts so often are willing to bend & flex the alleged rights we have to keep cops happy & because the citizen obviously was a bad guy.
Creating exceptions and holes that then keep being widened by cops to lazy to slap some names into a form isn't how it is supposed to work.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the law of the land & just because someone hands you a sealed envelope that someone else handed them that they all claim has evidence you are a bad bad man isn't evidence.
Gathering evidence has rules & as much as it sucks when you don't follow those rules & you screw 100's of cases you did in the same slipshod way, perhaps maybe just maybe we need to remind them to follow the actual rules & make sure they cross every t dot every i rather than try to find ways to salvage the case they screwed by breaking the rules.
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As long as corporations are getting paid, they will not care.
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We see no reason to stop adding hay to the haystack, one of these days we might find a needle.
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Maybe he'll get the 'I eat ass' sticker Judge so we can watch the Constitution being executed in slow motion.
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"were not clearly established at the time of his arrest."
Your First Amendment Rights are not clearly established.
Thats this ruling.
Pretty sure when I talk about them blowing an easy first amendment ruling getting them thrown off the bench, this is a poster case for it.
Allowing the contempt of cop charge to stand is just that little extra bit of stupid that confirms the Judge needs to be off the bench.
On the post: FCC Finally Gets Off Its Ass To Combat SIM Hijacking
Re: Re:
Because every corporation providing them any service tends to put big flashing warning lights on their accounts.
They are handed a special Comcast help number to use when they have a problem with their service, which gets them the white glove service they think we all get.
This isn't an anomaly, its feeds into the bubble Congress operates in where they think everything is fine, because they never had that problem.
Ron Wyden is an anomaly because he actually seems to give a shit how these things harm lots of citizens, the cost to stop it isn't that great, but without a law forcing them to do it corporations won't because it might lower stock price by .003 cents.
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Just wow.
Something something zero tolerance policies allow for zero thought and lead to shitty outcomes.
Out of a group of 100 people if even 1 thinks somehow it might offend/upset/steal imaginary money it must come down.
The platform taking it down doesn't want to discuss it because its what the law demands they do to be protected & no one can pay a human enough to speak to other people trying to explain the complete insanity involved. It's easier to offend a user (who honestly has no other options because they all do this) than to risk that an 80 yr old on the bench might side with those goofy ass lawyers making the mickey mouse claims that some moron out on pluto will think that this is an offering from the sweatshop of mouse.
On the post: CNN Shutting Down Its Facebook In Australia Shows How Removing 230 Will Silence Speech
yawns
Humans never learn anything.
The magical land of Oz where there is no 230, has now made rulings highly damaging to them (and really fscking insane) but they are still grumbling about trying to neuter 230.
The left hand not paying attention to the right hand trying to cut it off?
On the post: Neiman Marcus Breach Exposes Data Of 4.6 Million Users
It would be nice if we stopped pretending corporations were innocent in all of this & forced them to pay to fix the damage they caused for people.
The corporations are not the victims, they aren't out anything.
People who had their ID's stolen are then left to spend stupid amounts of money to prove it wasn't them that opened that credit card & ran it up.
If we demanded rape victims had to pay for their rape kits to be processed, outside of texas where rapist have been all removed, people would/should be outraged... but when someone manages to steal your identity & run up bills the system protects the corporations from losses by demanding the innocent victim pay to prove they are innocent.
All of this data is stolen over and over and over and over & used to steal over and over and over and over...
perhaps its time to admit how this data is used is the problem & demand the industry making big bucks & sticking innocent people with big bills to clean up needs to actually take it seriously & do more to protect the public & tighten things up so its harder for someone with a SS#, your dogs name, and the 3rd grade teachers name to get a $75,000 loan.
On the post: Accidentally Unsealed Document Shows Feds Are Using Reverse Warrants To Demand Info On Google Searches
" three other Google keyword warrants that were used in the investigation into serial Austin bombings in 2018, which resulted in the deaths of two people "
Because no one living in terror of being blown up next would EVER ask a search engine about pipe bombs, its not like they are super unique things in popular culture.
Humans never ever hear about something & then google search it to try to learn more.
What is shredding a few more imaginary rights to be 'safe'?
They'll only use it against "bad guys", we can trust them despite the repeated evidence they can & will misuse it.
Its really sort of sad investigations have now been replaced with just Googling it.
On the post: AT&T Set Up And Paid For OAN Propaganda Network; Yet Everyone Wants To Scream About Facebook
One does wonder how many other media outlets are just spun up to generate good buzz for causes... I mean its like someone could 'donate' an unlimited amount of coverage and airtime to 1 politician over another... maybe leaning towards one who pushes legislation that benefits the source of the spun up...
On the post: Perfect Timing: Twitch Gets Compromised With Voluminous Leak Of Data Via Torrent
Well this is an extreme example of just make your own...Here have some source code.
On the post: Tone Deaf Facebook Did Cripple VR Headsets When Borked BGP Routing Took Down All Of Facebook
Oh look... my shocked face.
On the post: FCC Finally Gets Off Its Ass To Combat SIM Hijacking
Which member of Congress got simjacked?
We know this is the only reason they ever do anything that might accidentally benefit citizens.
On the post: Facebook's Downtime And Why Protocols Are More Resilient Than Centralized Platforms
Amusing things...
All of their IoT control systems had no redundancy, some were unable to get into buildings, others were unable to access conference rooms to have meetings about what to do.
They had a emergency IRC server for just such a failure... hosted on the main missing domain.
They had people with physical access, who had no idea how to fix it.
The people who knew how to fix it could not get physical access.
Having played tech support more than once... how the hell do you fix the BGP by trying to remember the screens & giving instructions to someone remotely who might have only ever had to press a reset button once before?
Then there was the InstaAddicts DDoS of Cloudflare, people using the 1.1.1.1 DNS server and all of them hammering F5 repeatedly just in case FB managed to unfsck itself in the last 3 nanoseconds.
I have yet to hear how many 911 calls were made.
(Why are you staring at me, people have called over dumber shit than FB being down... you know there were calls.)
I expect thousands of lawsuits by friday from angry users.
(1800Icantbelieveitsalawfirm needs work)
Somewhere you know there is a Q adherent spinning a tale about how the 5G & Heavy Electricity causing FB to go offline when the power pylons melted down.
(Yes I saw a screenshot and for the life of me I can't tell if its Poe or not.)
On the post: Rethinking Facebook: We Need To Make Sure That 'Good For The World' Is More Important Than 'Good For Facebook'
Re: Re: Re:Whistleblower trials...
I enjoyed the way she casually told them that this sort of oversight is her jam while saying we need a governmental body to oversee it.
Why settle for FB dollars when you can get Governmental dollars.
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