Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 13 Dec 2018 @ 3:11pm
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Its ironic: Unless I am much mistaken() you and I agree that European government decision to censor the internet (via Article 13) is; An American government decides to block people from censoring the internet...that's also bad?\
You obviously don't know the definition of irony. These stances are not at odds with each other. Both efforts will harm the internet and its users by mandating how platforms perform content moderation. Both efforts will result in less speech, not more, because platforms will no longer find it tenable (especially the smaller ones) to comply with these regulations.
The bill is a mess content-wise. The thought process guiding it is a wreck. But you know that. Did you really think I was criticizing the formatting? I don't mind having a discussion with people who disagree with me, but you're not going to get much from anyone if you start with blatantly disingenuous contentions.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 6 Nov 2018 @ 10:06am
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If they both attended the same house of worship and one of them was in a leadership role, I think it would still remain relevant, even if they were both Jewish. That ones trickier because it could be taken as racially-biased, even if it only referred to practitioners of Judaism.
It would seem as problematic as pointing out they attended the same mosque, but sometimes social bonds like this need to be noted, even if it may be taken by some as evidence of religious bigotry.
I could have taken a little more care lining up the connection, but it was not written with the intent of slurring Mormons or their beliefs.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 6 Nov 2018 @ 9:58am
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Hi, gratuitous religious bigot here. My intention was to show the judge and prosecutor attended the same church and the prosecutor was the head of that church, which possibly played some part in the judge's ridiculous decision. It wasn't intended to be a slight of their mutual religious beliefs, but I can see how it could be taken that way. My apologies to those I've offended.
If I've show a "disregard for all the good cops out there," too bad. Too many of them have shown a disregard for the people they serve by allowing the worst of their colleagues to abuse their position and elevate themselves into paragons of virtue and dignity.
The couple of incidents doesn't seriously mean cops shouldn't be allowed to eat in restaurants. This little exercise in exaggeration is meant to demonstrate that officers of the law are not inherently honest and decent people, even if there are many among them that are. There's no reason to give their word more credence than the average citizen's.
It's mostly a facetious suggestion, but the overall point of the post was to demonstrate police officers shouldn't be treated as inherently trustworthy until proven otherwise. No business would actually do this, nor should they. But maybe they should refuse to serve cops if they've been burned by one making up stories about their staff or service.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 31 Mar 2018 @ 3:32pm
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<i>Something tells me the reaction would be vastly different if the article had depicted Obama as Hitler.</i>
What?
Do you mean the school would have apologized and taken down the article? Or that it would have left it up as people "lost their collective shit," as long as it wasn't police people? I honestly have no idea what point it is you're trying to make here.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 31 Mar 2018 @ 3:25pm
Re: The quality of the reporting on this one
I'm not going to argue about the "frightening" qualities of the word "fuck." Whatever. Some people are offended, some aren't, and a great majority of offended people don't run to the nearest authority figure to report it being said to them.
That being said, there's nothing dishonest about this framing. If the rep's office hadn't called the school, the student would not have been suspended for "disrespectful language." Without this catalyst, the suspension simply does not happen. So, it did cause the suspension, even if it maintained some weird form of plausible deniability because the staffer didn't instruct the school to beat the student up as well.
The foul mouth cannot be separated from the stating of opinion. "Congress should get off their fucking asses" is the opinion stated, with swear words contained. He did not tell the staffer to go fuck himself or anything that might fit your weird "foul mouth in an inappropriate setting." He made the call from his own phone outside of the school, so there's nothing "inappropriate" about the setting in which he used the offending phrase.
Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 13 Mar 2018 @ 4:20pm
Re: wonder what out_of_the_aclu thinks of this
Thank you for your understated correction request. But waste too much time here. There's a whole internet crying out for comments from people whose lips move when they type.
Police misconduct in the US is epidemic. While the number of officers making headlines for misdeeds is indeed a small percentage of the overall whole, the fact is there is little accountability in most law enforcement agencies.
It's very rare we see law enforcement officers engaged in exemplary behavior. Asking why we don't publish celebrations of competence and basic human decency is a question that answers itself. We expect law enforcement officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. Far too often, it appears they're uninterested in doing so. There's really no reason to lower standards on our end -- especially when our collective signature is on their paychecks -- just to appear more "fair" in our coverage.
I have no objection to publishing more positive stories about law enforcement. The problem is much that's suggested would reduce us to patting officers on the back for not being complete assholes when dealing with their fellow humans.
There are amazing men and women out there in the world of law enforcement. Unfortunately, they're a minority. And, for the most part, they're an extremely un-vocal minority. Accountability begins at the top, but that's no excuse for officers refusing to hold each other accountable when management fails to do so.
This isn't meant as a criticism of you or your concern. I would prefer a nation where stories like these -- ones that often include long histories of unaddressed misconduct -- weren't daily occurrences.
As for your suggestion: do you have some recent instances that come to mind re: police doing amazing things? I am sincere when I say I'd love to see them.
Ah. I see. The officer's canister was filled with reputation management hyperbole -- not pepper spray as was originally thought. Thanks for clearing this up, UC Davis!
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Its ironic: Unless I am much mistaken() you and I agree that European government decision to censor the internet (via Article 13) is; An American government decides to block people from censoring the internet...that's also bad?\
You obviously don't know the definition of irony. These stances are not at odds with each other. Both efforts will harm the internet and its users by mandating how platforms perform content moderation. Both efforts will result in less speech, not more, because platforms will no longer find it tenable (especially the smaller ones) to comply with these regulations.
The bill is a mess content-wise. The thought process guiding it is a wreck. But you know that. Did you really think I was criticizing the formatting? I don't mind having a discussion with people who disagree with me, but you're not going to get much from anyone if you start with blatantly disingenuous contentions.
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It would seem as problematic as pointing out they attended the same mosque, but sometimes social bonds like this need to be noted, even if it may be taken by some as evidence of religious bigotry.
I could have taken a little more care lining up the connection, but it was not written with the intent of slurring Mormons or their beliefs.
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Re: Re: Call for restaurant owners to weigh in
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Re: SoundsLikePropaganda
The couple of incidents doesn't seriously mean cops shouldn't be allowed to eat in restaurants. This little exercise in exaggeration is meant to demonstrate that officers of the law are not inherently honest and decent people, even if there are many among them that are. There's no reason to give their word more credence than the average citizen's.
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Re: Only one problem with this suggestion....
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Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 26th, 2018 @ 4:29am
[I'll lean towards supporting pirates and dopers. There's almost zero chance they'll kill anyone and destroy all the recorded evidence.]
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Re: Bad Wikipedia link
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Re: Nazi Presidents
What?
Do you mean the school would have apologized and taken down the article? Or that it would have left it up as people "lost their collective shit," as long as it wasn't police people? I honestly have no idea what point it is you're trying to make here.
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Re: The quality of the reporting on this one
That being said, there's nothing dishonest about this framing. If the rep's office hadn't called the school, the student would not have been suspended for "disrespectful language." Without this catalyst, the suspension simply does not happen. So, it did cause the suspension, even if it maintained some weird form of plausible deniability because the staffer didn't instruct the school to beat the student up as well.
The foul mouth cannot be separated from the stating of opinion. "Congress should get off their fucking asses" is the opinion stated, with swear words contained. He did not tell the staffer to go fuck himself or anything that might fit your weird "foul mouth in an inappropriate setting." He made the call from his own phone outside of the school, so there's nothing "inappropriate" about the setting in which he used the offending phrase.
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Re: wonder what out_of_the_aclu thinks of this
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Re: Small correction
https://www.adt.com/about-adt/legal/terms-of-use
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Re: curious
2. David Blade
3. Craig Brittain
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Re: Do you publish any pro-police articles
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17451715249/how-should-law-enforcement-handle-being-fi lmed-officer-lyons-provides-perfect-example.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131212/15041325 552/canadian-cop-puts-impromptu-clinic-how-to-deal-with-critics-cameras.shtml
https://www.techdirt.co m/articles/20161024/08421935871/leaked-recording-austin-police-chief-tears-into-commanders-fatal-sho otings-use-excessive-force.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150526/10575331115/body-cam-foot age-clears-police-officer-bogus-sexual-assault-allegations.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20 151123/09292832888/body-cameras-save-another-law-enforcement-officer-bogus-sexual-misconduct-complai nt.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170528/11063337468/this-machine-kills-accountability-ong oing-persecution-good-cops.shtml
The longer answer is this:
Police misconduct in the US is epidemic. While the number of officers making headlines for misdeeds is indeed a small percentage of the overall whole, the fact is there is little accountability in most law enforcement agencies.
It's very rare we see law enforcement officers engaged in exemplary behavior. Asking why we don't publish celebrations of competence and basic human decency is a question that answers itself. We expect law enforcement officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. Far too often, it appears they're uninterested in doing so. There's really no reason to lower standards on our end -- especially when our collective signature is on their paychecks -- just to appear more "fair" in our coverage.
I have no objection to publishing more positive stories about law enforcement. The problem is much that's suggested would reduce us to patting officers on the back for not being complete assholes when dealing with their fellow humans.
There are amazing men and women out there in the world of law enforcement. Unfortunately, they're a minority. And, for the most part, they're an extremely un-vocal minority. Accountability begins at the top, but that's no excuse for officers refusing to hold each other accountable when management fails to do so.
This isn't meant as a criticism of you or your concern. I would prefer a nation where stories like these -- ones that often include long histories of unaddressed misconduct -- weren't daily occurrences.
As for your suggestion: do you have some recent instances that come to mind re: police doing amazing things? I am sincere when I say I'd love to see them.
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