the licensing issue, and the second amendment issue, are red herrings in this specific case.
Yeah, it was a real Mexican non-union-equivalent standoff. Cops got the jump and then got scared after the legal gun owner got scared and then the cops started blasting because... well, that's all on the MPD's demand that all officers involved be placed in the most potential danger when executing the warrant.
It's not a red herring. It's something that needs to be considered as long as cops insist on using no-knock warrants. They're related. They're not mutally exclusive elements.
When judging the behavior of the Minneapolis police force in this incident, it's irrelevant to bring up the subject of whether the victim's gun was properly licensed. You can't expect the police to determine whether or not the gun was duly licensed before deciding whether or not to shoot. Or whether the person holding the gun is "innocent" enough not to shoot.
I don't expect cops to know whether or not a gun is properly licensed in mid-raid. I do expect them -- and the NRA -- to stop pretending the 2nd Amendment is just for white guys doing open carry bullshit in Subway restaurants and WalMarts. But you are correct: the biggest problem here is the no-knock warrant.
Going beyond all of that, though, there's the problem with the rights we've been told are guaranteed. They aren't. And, in cases like this, it's most often those violating at least one right (if not multiple rights) that get the benefit of the doubt. I imagine this will ultimately be ruled a cool and good shoot when all is said and done.
If Americans are upset with the extreme amount of friction generated by law enforcement's interactions with the Second Amendment, they need to drastically alter either of those elements. Or both. And, so far, the public -- and those representing them -- have refused to make any drastic alterations to either element.
It seems like it would be an easy choice to make. Drastic restrictions on gun ownership shifts power from the people to the government. Drastic reform of law enforcement (by increasing accountability and transparency) would shift more power to the people. And, given the dynamics of the power shifts, it's easy to see why certain gun owners are cop cannon fodder... and why cops aiming cannon at fodder can't be bothered to stop putting themselves in (mostly imaginary) danger to give themselves a reason to start blasting the moment they enter the most Constitutionally-sacrosanct of areas: a person's home.
Fuck law enforcement. If they wanted the public's trust, they've had ample time to earn it. Instead, they've cultivated an us v. them attitude and made it clear they'll engage in as much selective enforcement as possible.
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Re: "Innocence" is not the issue
Yeah, it was a real Mexican non-union-equivalent standoff. Cops got the jump and then got scared after the legal gun owner got scared and then the cops started blasting because... well, that's all on the MPD's demand that all officers involved be placed in the most potential danger when executing the warrant.
It's not a red herring. It's something that needs to be considered as long as cops insist on using no-knock warrants. They're related. They're not mutally exclusive elements.
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Re: "Innocence" is not the issue
I don't expect cops to know whether or not a gun is properly licensed in mid-raid. I do expect them -- and the NRA -- to stop pretending the 2nd Amendment is just for white guys doing open carry bullshit in Subway restaurants and WalMarts. But you are correct: the biggest problem here is the no-knock warrant.
Going beyond all of that, though, there's the problem with the rights we've been told are guaranteed. They aren't. And, in cases like this, it's most often those violating at least one right (if not multiple rights) that get the benefit of the doubt. I imagine this will ultimately be ruled a cool and good shoot when all is said and done.
If Americans are upset with the extreme amount of friction generated by law enforcement's interactions with the Second Amendment, they need to drastically alter either of those elements. Or both. And, so far, the public -- and those representing them -- have refused to make any drastic alterations to either element.
It seems like it would be an easy choice to make. Drastic restrictions on gun ownership shifts power from the people to the government. Drastic reform of law enforcement (by increasing accountability and transparency) would shift more power to the people. And, given the dynamics of the power shifts, it's easy to see why certain gun owners are cop cannon fodder... and why cops aiming cannon at fodder can't be bothered to stop putting themselves in (mostly imaginary) danger to give themselves a reason to start blasting the moment they enter the most Constitutionally-sacrosanct of areas: a person's home.
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Re: Powell
I thought I very clearly set out why I was sniggering. I'll try to do better in the future.
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Re: Freed
I have updated the post. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: ?and he couldnt
people act like this isn't in the food pyramid
link
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yeah it's a shame
Sensitive Data On Afghan Allies Collected By The US Military Is Now In The Hands Of The Taliban
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Re:
Thanks for correcting my misread of the schedule!
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Re:
well... mocking these "survivors" of this "trauma" anyway
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Carelessness?
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Re: Re:
there are plenty of reasons to have children and this is all of them
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Good catch. I had my first kid at age 30 and apparently decided that's how you add up the years you've been a parent. An edit has been made.
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Re: With first paragraph, you express desire to restrict speech!
hahahaha your inability to recognize hyperbole is your own problem
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Fuck law enforcement. If they wanted the public's trust, they've had ample time to earn it. Instead, they've cultivated an us v. them attitude and made it clear they'll engage in as much selective enforcement as possible.
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lol "denied firsthand"
so we're trusting Trump all of a sudden?
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Re: This site
until that day comes, you are welcome to fuck yourself in whatever fashion pleases you most
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
wat
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[taps second link in post]
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Re: Activist
here's something a little more impartial for you:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200601/08223344619/let-motherfucker-burn.shtml
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Re: Re:
ah it's my favorite commenter, two-time Tim Cushing. chicks says he's the clickiest.
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ah, it's my favorite commenter, galaxy brain
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