Interesting response.
We got the wall, Biden stopped construction.
He modified trade.
We were nearly energy independent at end of term.
He reduced international expense and focused on our country.
The economy rose to record highs during his term.
Who they are or what they believe is irrelevant to me.
And I haven’t followed it beyond the basics of what happened. I know what I need to know. People broke the law. The law breakers were arrested.
I don’t have enough interest to be bothered with carrying their water.
Nope, it was he promised to secure our borders.
Protect the second amendment.
Restructuring energy towards self sufficiency.
Ending international involvement.
Industrial and commercial investment
And this is why the comments of "I don't like Trump but I will get on my knees and lick the Trump Tower under his pants when his fee-fees get threatened by Techdirt" aren't an exaggeration.
Funny. All that and the takeaway isn’t even accurate. I didn’t say I “don’t like Trump”.
I clearly said I don’t agree with all of his policies.
You, who has been literally handed a comprehensive and well-sourced list of Trumpian atrocities
A list I line-items for you. Came out about 50/50 on for and against.
You, who takes every opportunity to say “BuT hE dIdN’t AcTuAlLy SaY ‘dRiNk BlEaCh’!
Well, it’s a fact. He didn’t.
That a brain dead far left columnist and a few brain dead supporters thought he did is a separate issue.
You, who has literally defended the insurrectionists of January 6th as “peaceful
I 100% defend every person there who protested within the boundaries of the law and unequivocally condemn to the courts those who broke the law. And have been quite clear on that.
Trump had absolutely no role whatsoever in inciting that riot?
“Peacefully” full stop
I’d ask what the fuck changed your mind,
Nothing. My opinions haven’t substantially changed. You just actually took the time to read what I said as opposed to blindly replying to what you cold cliff notes out of it.
Because I’m sure all he’d have
Go back to the voting laws articles to see just how undeniably supportive I am/was of vaccine passports. And tying it to RealID.
I have concerns with the government mandating it as opposed to private business. I I fully support no vax no work. Clearly and unequivocally have since supply surpassed need.
It also isn’t because you suddenly care about other people
I don’t in general. It’s not about protecting the population as a whole for me. It’s about protecting to the best we can those who have done the right things the right way.
So no, I don’t believe for a minute that these out-of-nowhere views on vaccines and masks are your actual views
That’s because you don’t believe what is infront of you, and invent “intentions” between the lines.
especially in re: the pandemic
I don’t. See above.
I’ve clearly stated problems I have with the former President multiple times. They’re just not the same problems you have.
We have different opinions on what is and is not important.
And we have different ideas of how to reach shared goals.
Let’s see, his administration funded the research, had it developed, and came up with three vaccines. In record time. Then began to implement a rollout.
So he ignored vaccines how?
Or how about his stopping travel from China, the verified source, shortly after the outbreak started? Only to have the order wind up in court because democrats, er, something something.
His mask rhetoric may have been bad. Partially accurate, but not helpful to the general population.
And I’ve always disagreed, quite publicly, with the half-truth of mask info.
From both parties.
But no, I don’t think there is any major change of how he did things in retrospect.
Minor things, yes:
I would personally prefer he pushed through some form of protection for business that allowed them to mandate mask use among employees. (As opposed to mask mandates at the government level). Just like I think there should be protections pushed to protect employers from harm for firing non-vaxed shites.
I would have shut down all non/citizen inbound travel much faster.
And set up quarantine systems for citizens returning.
I would have completely closed and over guarded the entirety of our border.
And I would have worked with American companies to produce N95 masks at a record production rate. Much like the re-purposing of factories during political wars. This is a biological war. And we have the ability to shift production. That should have been done.
Aside from those things I don’t see anything more that could have been different in a positive light.
clearly suggests you’re on his side of the mandate debate.
With how much I’ve spoken about needing vax passports? And how linking them to RealID and rolling it out nation wide as part of the botched pork plan?
🤔
Just because I support secure borders, legal and monitored immigration, logically considered movement to renewable energy, law and order, and the right to keep a weapon to not feed and defend my family; doesn’t necessitate agreement on a whole platform. Few people agree with the whole of any party platform.
And more than a few times I’ve called out trump’s lack of proper handling of mask information.
Among other complaints.
His continued “stolen” election mantra isn’t helping. Though the fact that absolutely none of the democrats are willing to open up the books and verify anything, via recounts or otherwise, doesn’t help dissuade concerns.
I have my issues with his platform, and the Republican platform as a whole. Just like I have issues with the Democrats.
The right of a business to protect itself is key in my personal concerns.
I don’t think you should be forced to get vaccinated, or wear a mask.
But I have zero problem with denying you access if you aren’t or don’t.
You make the choice to be a walking statistic. Just don’t do it here. I’d go further than even most dems do in where those requirements should be. And I have a different opinion on how they should be worded and implemented. But the end result is the same.
There’s two direct responses to this.
A) in time we will develop a system much like is in place for the flu.
Eventually.
There was a time when it could kill everyone. Now it’s less a concern.
Swine flu decimated my mum. Now dependant on o2. The treatment regiment destroyed her bones and left her wheelchair bound for all but a few short steps.
So I fully understand cause and effect.
And the first wave is always the deadliest! But that doesn’t mean it’s the end of the world. Eventually it will be just another shot to consider. Probably two or three a year.
And like every other virus out there there will be anti-vaxers that don’t take the poke and drop dead.
Of all the mandatory shots for participation in the real world, there’s always people who get around it. Get it. And then drop.
The solution is not to dictate from the government. It’s to implement a reliable, consistent, nation wide method of proof. And allow business the right to mandate proof for entery.
One part the “left” is missing is the majority of the “anti-vaxers” aren’t against the vaccination. Or even against requirements. They’re against government mandates.
If a business wants to allow or deny entry to unvaxed it should be the private decision of the private business on private property.
As long as the public is duly informed I don’t have any problem with private choice either way.
I won’t be visiting non-vax locations.
Yep, everyone is better off without Typhoid Mary behind the till
You appear to have the wrong impression on my thoughts on vax mandates.
I support them. No vax, no job.
Goes along with my support for a vax passport and my view on rolling out RealID to every citizen and linking vax status to the barcode. No vax no enter. Sounds good to me.
I’m only against mandating a person get vaccinated. I have no problem with requiring vaccination to do anything in the real world.
Now: I do have an issue with requiring a business to be vax enforced.
I a business owner doesn’t want to be vaxed and doesn’t want to be masked you get the government to plaster the black skull on the door, warning everyone of the status. And the public will choose how to deal with such a business.
Your need to intentionally twist my comments into alternative views… grr.
A) I doubt that the hang Pence people were literal.
B) if they were they’re scum sucking maggots.
C) it’s protected speech. Even if it’s abhorrent.
Strange. You first claimed you have never heard of them
The people who broke the law on the 6th have been (mostly) arrested. Whatever group they were or were not a part of.
So, you're against Rosa Parks, Gandhi and MLK?
There’s a difference between civil disobedience. And rioting.
Between standing in the street and burning cars to block the path.
But you also seem to be supportive of breaking the law if you agree with them, and against it if you don’t?
Yes, the three named people broke the law. And if you break the law you should be punished. Sometimes that’s what it takes to change the law. True. But it doesn’t mean I support the actions.
Once you stand by breaking the law for one reason you lessen your ability to legitimately complain about those that do it for another.
You’re still focusing on a lost cause. If they aren’t vaccinated by now they won’t be getting it.
It’s that simple.
About the only way you could get them vaccinated is to round them up and forcefully inject them. And then what what kind of country would we be if we did that.
It’s an absolutely pointless fight!
That aside, store are open. People are buying what is on the shelves, when there’s something to buy, that is.
Life moves on.
Well then… I just don’t care if someone is too freedom fighting to get the vax.
I have no sympathy for them. If you don’t want it move over there and enjoy yourself. You won’t live long but hey, you sue free now!
It’s not empathy or politics or anything like that.
It’s personal responsibility. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
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It isn’t, any more than the posters of trump in crosshairs.
Or Madonna calling to blow up the White House.
It’s protected speech.
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The fallacy that all trump voters are anti vax? I see.
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Do I?
Looks cut and dry and over to me.
Those that broke the law were charged.
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Interesting response.
We got the wall, Biden stopped construction.
He modified trade.
We were nearly energy independent at end of term.
He reduced international expense and focused on our country.
The economy rose to record highs during his term.
On the issues I voted on, I wasn’t disappointed.
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So… it started off as self defence.
Nothing more or less is meant by that.
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See… we agree. You break the law you go to jail.
Who they are or what they believe is irrelevant to me.
And I haven’t followed it beyond the basics of what happened. I know what I need to know. People broke the law. The law breakers were arrested.
I don’t have enough interest to be bothered with carrying their water.
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Who’s “ You people”?
I will happily supply my vaccination status if asked.
I support companies banning unvaxed. And I support companies requiring all who enter to be masked.
I just wish the government would stop spreading a false sense of security on less than reliable 10c paper masks.
If you’re going to mandate something it should be all in. I don’t want to be near a person with a paper mask any more than a person with no mask.
And if the government Wants to mandate something they should supply it.
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Yes, I defend the right to peaceful protest.
The vast majority of those who were there on the 6th remained within the boundaries of the law.
I support the foundational premise of the right of the people to petition the government with grievances and demand redress.
Within the boundaries of existing law.
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Nope, it was he promised to secure our borders.
Protect the second amendment.
Restructuring energy towards self sufficiency.
Ending international involvement.
Industrial and commercial investment
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Funny. All that and the takeaway isn’t even accurate. I didn’t say I “don’t like Trump”.
I clearly said I don’t agree with all of his policies.
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A list I line-items for you. Came out about 50/50 on for and against.
Well, it’s a fact. He didn’t.
That a brain dead far left columnist and a few brain dead supporters thought he did is a separate issue.
I 100% defend every person there who protested within the boundaries of the law and unequivocally condemn to the courts those who broke the law. And have been quite clear on that.
“Peacefully” full stop
Nothing. My opinions haven’t substantially changed. You just actually took the time to read what I said as opposed to blindly replying to what you cold cliff notes out of it.
Go back to the voting laws articles to see just how undeniably supportive I am/was of vaccine passports. And tying it to RealID.
I have concerns with the government mandating it as opposed to private business. I I fully support no vax no work. Clearly and unequivocally have since supply surpassed need.
I don’t in general. It’s not about protecting the population as a whole for me. It’s about protecting to the best we can those who have done the right things the right way.
That’s because you don’t believe what is infront of you, and invent “intentions” between the lines.
I don’t. See above.
I’ve clearly stated problems I have with the former President multiple times. They’re just not the same problems you have.
We have different opinions on what is and is not important.
And we have different ideas of how to reach shared goals.
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Let’s see, his administration funded the research, had it developed, and came up with three vaccines. In record time. Then began to implement a rollout.
So he ignored vaccines how?
Or how about his stopping travel from China, the verified source, shortly after the outbreak started? Only to have the order wind up in court because democrats, er, something something.
His mask rhetoric may have been bad. Partially accurate, but not helpful to the general population.
And I’ve always disagreed, quite publicly, with the half-truth of mask info.
From both parties.
But no, I don’t think there is any major change of how he did things in retrospect.
Minor things, yes:
I would personally prefer he pushed through some form of protection for business that allowed them to mandate mask use among employees. (As opposed to mask mandates at the government level). Just like I think there should be protections pushed to protect employers from harm for firing non-vaxed shites.
I would have shut down all non/citizen inbound travel much faster.
And set up quarantine systems for citizens returning.
I would have completely closed and over guarded the entirety of our border.
And I would have worked with American companies to produce N95 masks at a record production rate. Much like the re-purposing of factories during political wars. This is a biological war. And we have the ability to shift production. That should have been done.
Aside from those things I don’t see anything more that could have been different in a positive light.
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With how much I’ve spoken about needing vax passports? And how linking them to RealID and rolling it out nation wide as part of the botched pork plan?
🤔
Just because I support secure borders, legal and monitored immigration, logically considered movement to renewable energy, law and order, and the right to keep a weapon to not feed and defend my family; doesn’t necessitate agreement on a whole platform. Few people agree with the whole of any party platform.
And more than a few times I’ve called out trump’s lack of proper handling of mask information.
Among other complaints.
His continued “stolen” election mantra isn’t helping. Though the fact that absolutely none of the democrats are willing to open up the books and verify anything, via recounts or otherwise, doesn’t help dissuade concerns.
I have my issues with his platform, and the Republican platform as a whole. Just like I have issues with the Democrats.
The right of a business to protect itself is key in my personal concerns.
I don’t think you should be forced to get vaccinated, or wear a mask.
But I have zero problem with denying you access if you aren’t or don’t.
You make the choice to be a walking statistic. Just don’t do it here. I’d go further than even most dems do in where those requirements should be. And I have a different opinion on how they should be worded and implemented. But the end result is the same.
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There’s two direct responses to this.
A) in time we will develop a system much like is in place for the flu.
Eventually.
There was a time when it could kill everyone. Now it’s less a concern.
Swine flu decimated my mum. Now dependant on o2. The treatment regiment destroyed her bones and left her wheelchair bound for all but a few short steps.
So I fully understand cause and effect.
And the first wave is always the deadliest! But that doesn’t mean it’s the end of the world. Eventually it will be just another shot to consider. Probably two or three a year.
And like every other virus out there there will be anti-vaxers that don’t take the poke and drop dead.
Of all the mandatory shots for participation in the real world, there’s always people who get around it. Get it. And then drop.
The solution is not to dictate from the government. It’s to implement a reliable, consistent, nation wide method of proof. And allow business the right to mandate proof for entery.
One part the “left” is missing is the majority of the “anti-vaxers” aren’t against the vaccination. Or even against requirements. They’re against government mandates.
If a business wants to allow or deny entry to unvaxed it should be the private decision of the private business on private property.
As long as the public is duly informed I don’t have any problem with private choice either way.
I won’t be visiting non-vax locations.
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You appear to have the wrong impression on my thoughts on vax mandates.
I support them. No vax, no job.
Goes along with my support for a vax passport and my view on rolling out RealID to every citizen and linking vax status to the barcode. No vax no enter. Sounds good to me.
I’m only against mandating a person get vaccinated. I have no problem with requiring vaccination to do anything in the real world.
Now: I do have an issue with requiring a business to be vax enforced.
I a business owner doesn’t want to be vaxed and doesn’t want to be masked you get the government to plaster the black skull on the door, warning everyone of the status. And the public will choose how to deal with such a business.
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Your need to intentionally twist my comments into alternative views… grr.
A) I doubt that the hang Pence people were literal.
B) if they were they’re scum sucking maggots.
C) it’s protected speech. Even if it’s abhorrent.
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The people who broke the law on the 6th have been (mostly) arrested. Whatever group they were or were not a part of.
There’s a difference between civil disobedience. And rioting.
Between standing in the street and burning cars to block the path.
But you also seem to be supportive of breaking the law if you agree with them, and against it if you don’t?
Yes, the three named people broke the law. And if you break the law you should be punished. Sometimes that’s what it takes to change the law. True. But it doesn’t mean I support the actions.
Once you stand by breaking the law for one reason you lessen your ability to legitimately complain about those that do it for another.
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You’re still focusing on a lost cause. If they aren’t vaccinated by now they won’t be getting it.
It’s that simple.
About the only way you could get them vaccinated is to round them up and forcefully inject them. And then what what kind of country would we be if we did that.
It’s an absolutely pointless fight!
That aside, store are open. People are buying what is on the shelves, when there’s something to buy, that is.
Life moves on.
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Well then… I just don’t care if someone is too freedom fighting to get the vax.
I have no sympathy for them. If you don’t want it move over there and enjoy yourself. You won’t live long but hey, you sue free now!
It’s not empathy or politics or anything like that.
It’s personal responsibility. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
That’s all the more it is.
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Fact: toom1275 has the chance to sit on the sideline and watch those that vote against his opinions drop dead of their own accord!
Why do you care so much? You should be happy your voting block will go up a percentage point or two.
See someone without a mask? Walk away. And since the unvaxed are nearly guaranteed to be unmasked: they’re easy to avoid!
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