Mike has often argued that the give-away-and-pray method is not a long term solution to making money. And that's also not what most of us are proposing. It's just a possible first step of getting out there. Because it drives traffic to your website.
There are many ways of making money. For instance adding something that can't be downloaded to the package can really drive sales. Or perhaps work on commission. Just make it easy for people to pay and don't hassle your (future) fans with region locks and other kinds of digital restrictions. Or as the internet saying goes: "Shut up and take my money."
The artists, when signed to a label, are getting paid almost nothing. If you're lucky you aren't taken in debt. They promise the moon when you sign up, and all you get is a tiny slice of cheese, if you're lucky. Most bands are not making any money from their music. A lot of them are in debt.
But I'm left wondering what's going to be next, and what it is going to take before Congress realizes that the best interests of Big Media is not what Big Media is saying.
You know that Big Media won't take this lying down, they are going to come back with an even more outrageous bill, or perhaps a very cleverly worded bill. They still want their control over the media on the internet, and they are willing to sacrifice almost anything (even their own bottom line) to get it.
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There is a difference between infringement and theft. I'd suggest you look up the differences in a dictionary. They must have some in a library near you.
You know, the library that's robbing publishers blind, due to easy and practically free access by the populous to all those books.
that's only an added bonus (or at least they wish it to be).
No, SOPA is all about control, it's about the gatekeepers trying to gain control back over the distribution methods on the web. They want to be able to tell people what to watch. They hate the cat videos on youtube, and the indie artists on Bandcamp etc and the self-publishing (Lulu for instance), because it removes their gatekeeping control.
They hate it that people can now go around them and still reach an audience. They used to be able to say what the public could watch/read/listen to, and suddenly with the birth of the Internet they couldn't any more.
It isn't about piracy, it never was. It is just used as a crutch, to make Congress think that Big Media was hurting for cash, and that the campaign funds from that side could dry up.
Here's a great example: If the people who currently pirate TV episodes instead viewed them from the original sources (network websites), they would increase the traffic to these sites, and make them more obviously useful, perhaps more profitable, and certainly encourage them to do more with it.
To prove your point. I used to 'pirate' The Daily Show, because it isn't (/didn't used to be*) on Dutch tv. I loved that show, but the pirated version was the only version I could get.
Until at some point Comedy Central (Viacom) decided to stream the episodes of The Daily Show (including the extra exclusive content) on their website. (www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes)
Granted, I could not watch it on tv anymore, but with the extra content (the extra bits to the interviews etc) I'll gladly sit behind the laptop. I'll even watch the one ad they air in between segments.
(it's usually just one and the same ad, because I'm not in the US, and ComedyCentral's ad-partners don't have any inclination to serve the outside-the-US people)
So it can be done. It's just that many networks don't want to do it.
The only caveat in the case of Comedy Central is, that it has to have a presence on your local tv as well. In our case we do have Comedy Central, but they don't air TDS or the Colbert Report on their regular channel.
* Recently Comedy Central got a new channel called CC-Extra, on my tv. And on that they air last night's TDS and Colbert Report. So I don't really need to watch it on the website, but I still do some times.
Hey look, it's Out_of_touch_with_reality. Hi, how are you doing? I see you are still at it spouting weird nonsensical responses without any basis on reality. Well done, your masters at the RIAA must be very proud of you.
You simply don't get it that the world has moved on from the past, do you? It's adapt or die in this world. The internet has made the gatekeepers irrelevant, and with SOPA they are trying to win back that relevancy. It's futile, because I don't think a single US citizen is going to follow that law whatsoever.
All it will accomplish is that the pirated stuff will go deeper underground, harder to reach by law, but still easier to get than to get the legal alternative (if that's even available).
"With SOPA, there is great potential that many of the pirate sites out there today which facilitate the access, host the files, or otherwise contribute to piracy won't be accessible from the US - at least not easily."
And, if it were to happen that an innocuous site were to get caught up in this great big firewall, what harm does that do to our culture? Right?
It's not that the law can be used to block the pirates, it's the other sites that get flagged erroneously. Where is the judicial oversight? Where is the way to get your case heard and get that flag removed?
And where are the people involved in the discussion about this bill? Why are consumer groups being banned from the debate?
Sure, the congress critters are supposed to represent the people, but we all know that that hasn't been true in a long while, given their track record. Massive amounts of people opposing the law, and congress just shrugs and continues as if nothing's going on.
I think you did when you opposed the media shills. You showed that it could be different, the shills don't like different so they accuse you of piracy. Because the different means no money into their masters' coffers.
Yes, by adding an extra bit to limit your search to a site that's known for giving links to illegal (at least illegal in the US) content, you do indeed see that many hits..
But that's not what they said, they said to do a google search on "J. Edgar" and on "The Gringe Who Stole Christmas"
But you will try to spin this and say "well, that's what they meant." Sure, then they should've said it, and Google would've given them the same answer that I gave, "Well you just limited your search to a single site".
Same here, as a non-American, I can't help but feel helpless as I see a once great nation throw itself into the abyss of censorship. Let's hope sensible heads will prevail, and that this SOPA thing will become just another misspelling of soap.
But I fear, that if SOPA doesn't come through, that the Media Association For Incinerating America (MAFIA or NAMBLA) will come up with another harebrained stupid idea, that's even worse than this one.
It won't end until finally the labels have lost all their cash, the movie studios can't pay their stars and the book publishers have lost all their authors. And even then they are still dangerous.
They are like that scorpion that took a ride on a turtle to cross a stream, only to sting the turtle midstream. They are destroying themselves, and they don't even realize they are doing it.
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There are many ways of making money. For instance adding something that can't be downloaded to the package can really drive sales. Or perhaps work on commission. Just make it easy for people to pay and don't hassle your (future) fans with region locks and other kinds of digital restrictions. Or as the internet saying goes: "Shut up and take my money."
The artists, when signed to a label, are getting paid almost nothing. If you're lucky you aren't taken in debt. They promise the moon when you sign up, and all you get is a tiny slice of cheese, if you're lucky. Most bands are not making any money from their music. A lot of them are in debt.
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Congrats on battling the SOPA opera
You know that Big Media won't take this lying down, they are going to come back with an even more outrageous bill, or perhaps a very cleverly worded bill. They still want their control over the media on the internet, and they are willing to sacrifice almost anything (even their own bottom line) to get it.
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You know, the library that's robbing publishers blind, due to easy and practically free access by the populous to all those books.
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smoke, mirrors, decoys and smokebombs.
*SMOKE BOMB*
Say, them bloggers are stealing our contents without paying us!
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SOPA isn't about battling piracy
No, SOPA is all about control, it's about the gatekeepers trying to gain control back over the distribution methods on the web. They want to be able to tell people what to watch. They hate the cat videos on youtube, and the indie artists on Bandcamp etc and the self-publishing (Lulu for instance), because it removes their gatekeeping control.
They hate it that people can now go around them and still reach an audience. They used to be able to say what the public could watch/read/listen to, and suddenly with the birth of the Internet they couldn't any more.
It isn't about piracy, it never was. It is just used as a crutch, to make Congress think that Big Media was hurting for cash, and that the campaign funds from that side could dry up.
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To prove your point. I used to 'pirate' The Daily Show, because it isn't (/didn't used to be*) on Dutch tv. I loved that show, but the pirated version was the only version I could get.
Until at some point Comedy Central (Viacom) decided to stream the episodes of The Daily Show (including the extra exclusive content) on their website. (www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes)
Granted, I could not watch it on tv anymore, but with the extra content (the extra bits to the interviews etc) I'll gladly sit behind the laptop. I'll even watch the one ad they air in between segments.
(it's usually just one and the same ad, because I'm not in the US, and ComedyCentral's ad-partners don't have any inclination to serve the outside-the-US people)
So it can be done. It's just that many networks don't want to do it.
The only caveat in the case of Comedy Central is, that it has to have a presence on your local tv as well. In our case we do have Comedy Central, but they don't air TDS or the Colbert Report on their regular channel.
* Recently Comedy Central got a new channel called CC-Extra, on my tv. And on that they air last night's TDS and Colbert Report. So I don't really need to watch it on the website, but I still do some times.
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You simply don't get it that the world has moved on from the past, do you? It's adapt or die in this world. The internet has made the gatekeepers irrelevant, and with SOPA they are trying to win back that relevancy. It's futile, because I don't think a single US citizen is going to follow that law whatsoever.
All it will accomplish is that the pirated stuff will go deeper underground, harder to reach by law, but still easier to get than to get the legal alternative (if that's even available).
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Re: I did..this is the response I got.....
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Re: How Will You Gauge SOPA's Success? - with difficulty
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And, if it were to happen that an innocuous site were to get caught up in this great big firewall, what harm does that do to our culture? Right?
It's not that the law can be used to block the pirates, it's the other sites that get flagged erroneously. Where is the judicial oversight? Where is the way to get your case heard and get that flag removed?
And where are the people involved in the discussion about this bill? Why are consumer groups being banned from the debate?
Sure, the congress critters are supposed to represent the people, but we all know that that hasn't been true in a long while, given their track record. Massive amounts of people opposing the law, and congress just shrugs and continues as if nothing's going on.
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Either that, or they are compulsive liars.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/me5e9/american_censorship_day_stand_up_fo r/c3071a3
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Re: Wrong again, Mike: "J. Edgar" site:thepiratebay.org
But that's not what they said, they said to do a google search on "J. Edgar" and on "The Gringe Who Stole Christmas"
But you will try to spin this and say "well, that's what they meant." Sure, then they should've said it, and Google would've given them the same answer that I gave, "Well you just limited your search to a single site".
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But I fear, that if SOPA doesn't come through, that the Media Association For Incinerating America (MAFIA or NAMBLA) will come up with another harebrained stupid idea, that's even worse than this one.
It won't end until finally the labels have lost all their cash, the movie studios can't pay their stars and the book publishers have lost all their authors. And even then they are still dangerous.
They are like that scorpion that took a ride on a turtle to cross a stream, only to sting the turtle midstream. They are destroying themselves, and they don't even realize they are doing it.
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Re: Must be close to the target...
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