Indeed. The pro-gun lobby seems to forget that in other Western countries, we do have gun ownership. However, given the restrictions we have on who can own guns, it's difficult for irresponsible or crazy persons or criminals to get hold of them. Hence knife crime being a thing -- they can't get hold of guns.
No. The US has a history of institutionalised racism and slavery backed by the force of law. Lynchings used to be advertised on mass media and took place in a festival atmosphere before the civil rights movement put a stop to it.
The children and grandchildren of the people involved in the lynchings, etc., have not learned from the past and are desperate to repeat it. It's not fear or paranoia that underpins the killings, it's impunity and a sense of entitlement to preferential treatment in society and under law.
THIS is the problem and until it is addressed, such incidents will keep on occurring. Thoughts and prayers are not enough; there needs to be a reckoning for the attitudes that promote such horrible atrocities. The South Africans had a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Would Americans be willing to address the evil of their recent history with a view to changing attitudes so this kind of thing doesn't happen again?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone is armed so everyone is a threat.
Every time one asshole or false flag operation ends up with multiple fatalities, every brainwashed person now is deadset against gun owners' rights and wants to punish the 350,000,000 people who are responsible gun owners by taking their guns from them. That is sick and it is an agenda that the new world order and UN are forcing upon the free world.
Take your tinfoil hat off, mate. We just want to restrict gun ownership to responsible people, and keep them away from criminals and loons.
Given that some ad providers actually put the malware in, I'm not surprised. I'm talking about the actual platforms on which these are aired. Let's assume they don't check for malware, just for visible content. If that's true, the ads are checked in some way, shape, or form.
Re: Re: I'm permabanned from 4chan. How is it that they can do i
What the frickin' 'ell do you have to do to be banned at all from 4Chan?! There is evil there that does not sleep. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume...
Re: Re: 'Lies are bad. Unless they are in political ads.'
Yep. And that is the problem. We The People are ill equipped to parse lies from truth in social media -- it's easier to rely on sources you know to be mostly true most of the time, and I confess that's where I'm at.
Having all ads, political or not, fact-checked alongside a campaign advising that there is no right to tell lies and broadcast them would force the ad makers and their clients to be more truthful in their advertising in order to ensure the ads are accepted. This can only be a good thing. A message to all would-be ad placers such as, "This is our platform and you publish ads here at our sole discretion. We will take your ads on condition that they're legal, decent, honest and truthful. We reserve the right to fact-check each ad you submit to ensure they are compliant with our guidelines. Their findings will be notified to you if they fail to meet our standards." would help to get the message across if coupled with vigorous enforcement. Any pushback could be countered by posting the fact-check report and the complaint. Shaming might not work but enforcement would.
This would go a long way towards encouraging people to think about what they're being told and would therefore be an overall win for all of us down the line.
If the major social networks start moderating for falsehoods, they'll have to in order to be seen to be compliant. I can imagine Kamala Harris grandstanding all over it. Ms. Warren, too.
Yes, but someone puts the ads together. And someone accepts them for use on the platform -- and checks that they're up to standard, otherwise we'd be swamped with advertising for porn on every outlet.
So what is the "right" policy? Take down El Cheetos ads and interfere with his campaign lies - and start vetting all political adds for your version of correct?
A statement is either demonstrably true or it is not; e.g. "Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden in order to hinder Joe Biden's presidential campaign. This is illegal."
There are no "versions" of true; statements are either true or they are not. They can also be spun or twisted but a right to lie? I think not. You can't get away with claiming that smoking tobacco enhances your health -- well, not any more. Over here in the UK, ads need to be legal, decent, honest and truthful. If they're not, they're pulled.
Or leave them all up and take flak for promoting falsehoods?
I daresay that if leaving lies up is so contentious, why not use a marker or interstitial of some kind that advises the truth and lies in the ads where lies are present.
You seem to have the easy answer - Better Ethics. Somehow that would block all political ads, and most consumer goods as well I imagine.
Nope. We have loads of ads here in the UK. The political ones are called "Party political broadcasts" and they're actually mini programmes -- they're stored on the Catchup services of our major broadcasters. Are Americans so swamped in lies that all political and commercial ads would be blocked if their promoters all stopped lying tomorrow? Good grief, just hand the country back to the UK and apologise for the state it's in. Since it's nigh impossible to tell the difference between our Conservative Party and the GOP I doubt that anyone would notice a difference -- bar the accents of your Glorious Leaders.
Depending on any government for help is an incredibly bad idea; they don't care and won't provide meaningful help unless there's something in it for them.
Re: 'How dare they point out what actually happened!'
Agreed. You and you alone are responsible for your reputation.
If you behave badly and someone points it out, AND it's proven to be factually true, tough. If you want to rehabilitate your reputation, do what you can to create a positive image of yourself and don't get defensive if your past conduct is brought up. Showing how you moved on is a positive thing and will be viewed in a positive way.
If what's being said is NOT true, post a rebuttal and move on. Your own conduct reveals who you really are. I've lived this.
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Re: Re: "responsible people"
Indeed. The pro-gun lobby seems to forget that in other Western countries, we do have gun ownership. However, given the restrictions we have on who can own guns, it's difficult for irresponsible or crazy persons or criminals to get hold of them. Hence knife crime being a thing -- they can't get hold of guns.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone is armed so eve
And why in the world should irresponsible people, criminals, and loons have access to guns as a right?!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone is armed so everyon
Result: only responsible, law-abiding people can get hold of guns, for the most part. https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?r=US&IR=T#roughl y-a-quarter-of-the-gun-toting-swiss-use-their-weapons-for-military-or-police-duty-5
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Re: Re: Re: .it's the people using them.
No. The US has a history of institutionalised racism and slavery backed by the force of law. Lynchings used to be advertised on mass media and took place in a festival atmosphere before the civil rights movement put a stop to it.
The children and grandchildren of the people involved in the lynchings, etc., have not learned from the past and are desperate to repeat it. It's not fear or paranoia that underpins the killings, it's impunity and a sense of entitlement to preferential treatment in society and under law.
THIS is the problem and until it is addressed, such incidents will keep on occurring. Thoughts and prayers are not enough; there needs to be a reckoning for the attitudes that promote such horrible atrocities. The South Africans had a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. Would Americans be willing to address the evil of their recent history with a view to changing attitudes so this kind of thing doesn't happen again?
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Re: Re: Correction
Rarely. They brought the Aurora shooter and Dylann Roof in alive.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone is armed so everyone is a threat.
Every time one asshole or false flag operation ends up with multiple fatalities, every brainwashed person now is deadset against gun owners' rights and wants to punish the 350,000,000 people who are responsible gun owners by taking their guns from them. That is sick and it is an agenda that the new world order and UN are forcing upon the free world.
Take your tinfoil hat off, mate. We just want to restrict gun ownership to responsible people, and keep them away from criminals and loons.
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Re: Re: Re: .it's the people using them.
That is an entirely reasonable position.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Ads are not "At Scale"
Given that some ad providers actually put the malware in, I'm not surprised. I'm talking about the actual platforms on which these are aired. Let's assume they don't check for malware, just for visible content. If that's true, the ads are checked in some way, shape, or form.
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Re: Re: Re:
It annoys me that CNN picked it up and ran with it. Brown is not around to defend himself and there's no one to defend him now.
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Re: Re: I'm permabanned from 4chan. How is it that they can do i
What the frickin' 'ell do you have to do to be banned at all from 4Chan?! There is evil there that does not sleep. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume...
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Re: Re: 'Lies are bad. Unless they are in political ads.'
Yep. And that is the problem. We The People are ill equipped to parse lies from truth in social media -- it's easier to rely on sources you know to be mostly true most of the time, and I confess that's where I'm at.
Having all ads, political or not, fact-checked alongside a campaign advising that there is no right to tell lies and broadcast them would force the ad makers and their clients to be more truthful in their advertising in order to ensure the ads are accepted. This can only be a good thing. A message to all would-be ad placers such as, "This is our platform and you publish ads here at our sole discretion. We will take your ads on condition that they're legal, decent, honest and truthful. We reserve the right to fact-check each ad you submit to ensure they are compliant with our guidelines. Their findings will be notified to you if they fail to meet our standards." would help to get the message across if coupled with vigorous enforcement. Any pushback could be countered by posting the fact-check report and the complaint. Shaming might not work but enforcement would.
This would go a long way towards encouraging people to think about what they're being told and would therefore be an overall win for all of us down the line.
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Re: Re: Ads are not "At Scale"
If the major social networks start moderating for falsehoods, they'll have to in order to be seen to be compliant. I can imagine Kamala Harris grandstanding all over it. Ms. Warren, too.
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Re: Re: Ads are not "At Scale"
Yes, but someone puts the ads together. And someone accepts them for use on the platform -- and checks that they're up to standard, otherwise we'd be swamped with advertising for porn on every outlet.
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Re: Re: Go all in or don't bother
On this we agree, Gary.
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Re: Re: Ads are not "At Scale"
So what is the "right" policy? Take down El Cheetos ads and interfere with his campaign lies - and start vetting all political adds for your version of correct?
A statement is either demonstrably true or it is not; e.g. "Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden in order to hinder Joe Biden's presidential campaign. This is illegal."
There are no "versions" of true; statements are either true or they are not. They can also be spun or twisted but a right to lie? I think not. You can't get away with claiming that smoking tobacco enhances your health -- well, not any more. Over here in the UK, ads need to be legal, decent, honest and truthful. If they're not, they're pulled.
Or leave them all up and take flak for promoting falsehoods?
I daresay that if leaving lies up is so contentious, why not use a marker or interstitial of some kind that advises the truth and lies in the ads where lies are present.
You seem to have the easy answer - Better Ethics. Somehow that would block all political ads, and most consumer goods as well I imagine.
Nope. We have loads of ads here in the UK. The political ones are called "Party political broadcasts" and they're actually mini programmes -- they're stored on the Catchup services of our major broadcasters. Are Americans so swamped in lies that all political and commercial ads would be blocked if their promoters all stopped lying tomorrow? Good grief, just hand the country back to the UK and apologise for the state it's in. Since it's nigh impossible to tell the difference between our Conservative Party and the GOP I doubt that anyone would notice a difference -- bar the accents of your Glorious Leaders.
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Re: Re:
Depending on any government for help is an incredibly bad idea; they don't care and won't provide meaningful help unless there's something in it for them.
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Re: 'How dare they point out what actually happened!'
Agreed. You and you alone are responsible for your reputation.
If you behave badly and someone points it out, AND it's proven to be factually true, tough. If you want to rehabilitate your reputation, do what you can to create a positive image of yourself and don't get defensive if your past conduct is brought up. Showing how you moved on is a positive thing and will be viewed in a positive way.
If what's being said is NOT true, post a rebuttal and move on. Your own conduct reveals who you really are. I've lived this.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrat collusion
Nothing. No evidence of wrongdoing has been found.
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Bin Laden was Saudi and apparently his family were friends of the Bushes and spirited out of the country on the day of the attacks. https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/
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Re: Re: "war criminal is a legal term"
I would pay to see that.
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