Your damn pro-government press spun Bush invading irrelevant countries as "rah rah rah". There is no pro-Obama bias in them other than a failure to be as rabidly anti-Obama as Free Republic or the Tea Party.
So someone who entered a possibly false plea after being illegally held for five years shouldn't be counted with someone who is being falsely over-charged, as evidenced by trials of people who did 'actual' harm? Right.
No, just Clegg. Normally the rest of them are a lot noiser about stuff like this, but they are being suspiciously quiet - probably trying to hang onto power while they can.
Ah, what a surprise. Someone waving the 'Pride' parades as the be-all and end-all of homosexuality. Why don't I treat the Westboro Baptist Church as indicative of all US Christians? Seriously mate, far from all gays are like that, and if so, so what - one of the reasons for it is to actually be visible and not ignored. Might as well moan about large marches by blacks in the 60s - bet there were plenty of 'fine upstanding Southern gentlemen' who found those repulsive too! Plenty of gays are denied basic rights the rest of us have, are hated on and slandered and even physically attacked.
As for mocking Christianity, so what? All religions who take themselves too seriously (and are repressive) could take some mockery. Should the Wiccans complain that they are 'being made a mockery of' at Hallowe'en? And I bet you'd only too happily mock Islam... It's not like Christianity in the US is some minority religion whose followers are persecuted.
I have no especially thing about gays other than there are plenty on the American right making such a fuss attacking gays and their rights that they are a big one to push back on behalf of. I'm just as happy to push womens' or minority rights too, despite not being any of the above. All people deserve to be treated actually equally, and no one group gaining equal rights 'takes them away' from any other group, unless that group feels it has the entitlement to pick on others.
I only mention the native North Americans because they have more of a case than Blacks for persecution, and the whole point I was trying to make was that denigrating one group's suffering because 'your group suffered more' was daft, especially when the suffering was historical, as opposed to now. Wiccans who moan "oah, my ancestors were persecuted at Salem" are a bit out of the suffering loop. A Wiccan being denied a job or use of someone's business purely for their religion right now is definitely something that should be stopped.
I'm part Celt. Shall I whine on about how my people were "hounded" to the extremities of our continent and our culture 'massacred' by invading forces? Not seriously, no. I might say "bloody English!" at Braveheart, but I'm more concerned with any ongoing injustices, not long-ago ones. That is how future wars start, built on long-ago slights.
So stop with the pathetic victim complex, stop putting down others who are genuinely suffering discrimination, persecution and bigotry, and if you are a Christian, try remembering the message of the Gospels (love thy neighbour), not the Old Testament (hate thy neighbour).
You would have thought that the man forced to live in caves and secure compounds, with the militarily largest nation on the planet after him, might have put forth a little evidence to that effect if it were even remotely credible. Even if it weren't true, it might cause some schisms.
No, go back to denying the moon landing too.
Unless of course you mean by the USA government doing it, that they let it happen through sheer incompetence and pigheadedness.
And yet you say that a group of people who suffer discrimination, including violent attacks, murder and all kinds of actual hurt are 'a joke' just because they didn't suffer from slavery? Slavery is seriously abhorrent, and yet it doesn't count as a "we're better than anyone else who is only pretending to suffer" card.
More importantly, these people are suffering NOW. Slavery (as an institution in the West) mainly ended a while ago (notwithstanding the massive amounts that still go on under the radar all over the world).
And you are just as guilty of playing the 'emotional ploy' card. Since I am not American, and we abolished slavery a fair bit before you did, I'm less vulnerable to 'guilting' over it than maybe the average American is.
Frankly, I care about anyone who is deprived of liberty, health and rights, but moreso people alive now or to be born, not people from 150 years ago whose situation I cannot change.
You are the one attempting to put a 'worth' on any one person's suffering, depending on why they are put upon. Think about that for a moment, since the whole point of slavery (and the eventual emancipation) was the debate over what a person of a certain colour or nationality was 'worth' compared to other people.
Additionally, I am comparing like-for-like here. What you sound like you're saying is how dare someone complain about being beaten up or deprived of rights just because they aren't coloured or their ancestors weren't enslaved?
I really don't get what beef you guys have over your ancestors' mistreatment. Frankly, you don't hold a candle to the Native Americans who were actually genocided. So why not shut up until they've had proper reparations and get treated as they deserve? Or even better, get over it and come and live in the 21st Century? (And I say this as someone fiercely anti-slavery.) Because you're not engaging anyone's sympathy or making them more likely to agree with you given the blind right-wing echo points you're spewing.
Especially against as august and well-known/loved organisation as the Radio Times - and one which happens to be something that is supposed to be including/promoting your product.
What would happen if the Radio Times decided to (inadvertently or deliberately) not mention Premier League games in their publications for a week or two?
Which 'special' homosexual rights are these? The rights not to be persecuted, hounded or jailed for doing what everyone else is doing? The right to marry the one they love? The equality that blacks and women have already had to fight for?
And how are these 'special' rights 'leading you to war'? The only people picking a fight are the reactionary bigots who spout the same crap they have for nearly 200 years, losing every step of the way.
Notice your big corporate masters are the ones blindly complying? Atlas couldn't give a toss what happens to the little man, so long as he gets his steady paycheck. And doesn't get *his* liver ripped out.
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And apparently they're the federal government of the whole world.
Hmm, that means we have (information) taxation but no representation - what could we do now? :) Revoke your hypocritical Declaration of Independence? Declare our own?
Fascism does this as well. In fact, a truly dictatorial government would just come down on people directly or through the secret police and not bother with other agencies
Because I've never heard of the dreaded Nazi or Soviet tax authorities...
I reckon the rest of the world just needs to use a football code. Given the lack of ability of Americans to appreciate 'real' football, we'll have them running round in circles. And Europe and South America will be laughing...
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So ban being as a felony to start saving time.
Bring out the child-catcher!
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As for mocking Christianity, so what? All religions who take themselves too seriously (and are repressive) could take some mockery. Should the Wiccans complain that they are 'being made a mockery of' at Hallowe'en? And I bet you'd only too happily mock Islam... It's not like Christianity in the US is some minority religion whose followers are persecuted.
I have no especially thing about gays other than there are plenty on the American right making such a fuss attacking gays and their rights that they are a big one to push back on behalf of. I'm just as happy to push womens' or minority rights too, despite not being any of the above. All people deserve to be treated actually equally, and no one group gaining equal rights 'takes them away' from any other group, unless that group feels it has the entitlement to pick on others.
I only mention the native North Americans because they have more of a case than Blacks for persecution, and the whole point I was trying to make was that denigrating one group's suffering because 'your group suffered more' was daft, especially when the suffering was historical, as opposed to now. Wiccans who moan "oah, my ancestors were persecuted at Salem" are a bit out of the suffering loop. A Wiccan being denied a job or use of someone's business purely for their religion right now is definitely something that should be stopped.
I'm part Celt. Shall I whine on about how my people were "hounded" to the extremities of our continent and our culture 'massacred' by invading forces? Not seriously, no. I might say "bloody English!" at Braveheart, but I'm more concerned with any ongoing injustices, not long-ago ones. That is how future wars start, built on long-ago slights.
So stop with the pathetic victim complex, stop putting down others who are genuinely suffering discrimination, persecution and bigotry, and if you are a Christian, try remembering the message of the Gospels (love thy neighbour), not the Old Testament (hate thy neighbour).
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No, go back to denying the moon landing too.
Unless of course you mean by the USA government doing it, that they let it happen through sheer incompetence and pigheadedness.
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More importantly, these people are suffering NOW. Slavery (as an institution in the West) mainly ended a while ago (notwithstanding the massive amounts that still go on under the radar all over the world).
And you are just as guilty of playing the 'emotional ploy' card. Since I am not American, and we abolished slavery a fair bit before you did, I'm less vulnerable to 'guilting' over it than maybe the average American is.
Frankly, I care about anyone who is deprived of liberty, health and rights, but moreso people alive now or to be born, not people from 150 years ago whose situation I cannot change.
You are the one attempting to put a 'worth' on any one person's suffering, depending on why they are put upon. Think about that for a moment, since the whole point of slavery (and the eventual emancipation) was the debate over what a person of a certain colour or nationality was 'worth' compared to other people.
Additionally, I am comparing like-for-like here. What you sound like you're saying is how dare someone complain about being beaten up or deprived of rights just because they aren't coloured or their ancestors weren't enslaved?
I really don't get what beef you guys have over your ancestors' mistreatment. Frankly, you don't hold a candle to the Native Americans who were actually genocided. So why not shut up until they've had proper reparations and get treated as they deserve? Or even better, get over it and come and live in the 21st Century? (And I say this as someone fiercely anti-slavery.) Because you're not engaging anyone's sympathy or making them more likely to agree with you given the blind right-wing echo points you're spewing.
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What would happen if the Radio Times decided to (inadvertently or deliberately) not mention Premier League games in their publications for a week or two?
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And how are these 'special' rights 'leading you to war'? The only people picking a fight are the reactionary bigots who spout the same crap they have for nearly 200 years, losing every step of the way.
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Hmm, that means we have (information) taxation but no representation - what could we do now? :) Revoke your hypocritical Declaration of Independence? Declare our own?
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Because I've never heard of the dreaded Nazi or Soviet tax authorities...
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But otherwise - *gasp* - RJR talks sense!
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