"Lots of blogs put up weekly summaries of the posts they want to promote the most, and we've considered doing something like that as well. However, after thinking about it, we decided it might be more fun to have a member of the wider Techdirt community pick his or her favorite posts each week with a short explanation of why they liked those posts.
Sorry... I think you missed this. Y'know... the part where it explains that the TechDirt community member would PICK POSTS FROM THE PRECEEDING WEEK AND COMMENT ON THE SELECTION.
Seriously, did you read it? It's a week-in-review.
"what debate ?? what fantasy numbers, who cares..
The only people who care about the numbers is the producers of content, it is what they BELIEVE that matters, what they believe determines if they are willing to risk invensting in creating content.."
Who cares? How about the people affected by the laws passed by legislators who are swayed by this false information? How about the legislators themselves? I'm sure they'd care if they were being lied to to be swayed.
"The movie industry does not care what YOU say are the figures, they care about one thing, THE FIGURES, and being the creators of that content, THEY ARE IN THE BEST POSITION to asses the damage externalites can have on their proposed investment..."
"how can anyone say an industry is wrong, when they are not in that industry, and do not have the numbers available to base that statement on you know,, FACTS.. "
What?!? How does being 'in the industry' somehow create a magical world where only they can add 1 + 1? The funny thing about FACTS is that they can be corroborated by independent reviews. Just because analysts and mathematicians are not 'in the biz' doesn't mean that they can't review the information and reveal the mathematical errors, misinterpretations, and straight-out lies being given by those 'in the biz'.
"No the industry that is actually doing it, taking the risks, doing the work, creating things to sell, NO, they do not have a clue about what is going on,, but Mike does !!!..
They do have a clue what they're doing... and now we have a clue that they're lying. I'm sorry if that doesn't interest or concern you, but why would you defend them?
Darryl, you state all this as if Mike's opinion on the matter is moot... and perhaps it is. But you completely overlook the fact that Mike is pointing out stories and research that shows the FACTS given by the industries are WRONG. An opinion is neither right nor wrong, only misinformed... but a fact can be wrong.
Yeah, that thing about 3 miles over there from where you're going? That was the point. Sorry you missed it.
The point of the 'US would cheer him on' wasn't about America hating China or American politicians hating China... it was about how American politicians have cried out against China's censorship of the internet... and if Wikileaks had leaked Chinese-suppressed information, the US Politicians would have cheered him on for breaking through the Great E-Wall.
My last couple of posts were trying to clean this all up.
"P.S. You may note the fact that I also used tasers and cars in another post in this thread."
And you'll notice that I didn't say anything about them... they actually make a good point that I agree with and don't have any problems with the logic. I have always agreed with 'don't blame the tool for the user's action'.
But tell me this: was your stance of "MS is guilty too" sarcastic? If so, I apologize for missing the tone. If not, then you're a hypocrite for attacking one tool while arguing for the innocence of others. Judging by the fact that you didn't say "no, that was meant to be ironic" when someone challenged your first anit-MS post, I'd say it doesn't look too sarcastic from here.
So... making a point that was demonstrated to mean nothing to the coversation by every fallacy I referenced (perhaps by some I missed) leads me to believe that it was brought in as an attack against MS. And that's not bashing… how?
"P.S. No need to log-off or restart Linux(Unless I change graphics drivers or kernel). But, should I decide to do so, I will do so when I wish, not when ordered to by you.
When you update your MS next week, let us know how the eight reboots work out for you.
"
Lemmie guess... that's not MS bashing either? Especially since I said "log off" in the vein of "go away". Interesting how the “non-MS bashing”[sic] Linux fanboy turns 'go away' into an opportunity to point out linux's superiority to MS. Hmm... most telling.
Now, since subtlety is lost on you… if you’re not going to contribute to the conversation, don’t participate. Don’t use it as an opportunity to add in a “let’s do away w/ MS” line where it’s not needed and doesn’t belong.
Now, when you find a proper place for those comments, let me know… I’d be happy to join you. While I don’t have to restart MS every time I update (much less multiple times), I do hate them too.
"Yeah, no due process. Like those guys selling crack on the street corner that get arrested. They shouldn't get arrested, the police should just send them an email telling they are bad and maybe one day there might be a trial."
There is a world of difference between selling crack on the corner and copyright infringement. We've covered, ad nausium, what due process for copyright infringement should be (as described in the current laws that were ignored in this seizure). Even the horribly-drawn DMCA would allow the takedown of the infringing material from TF if there actually was any, but the government decided to seize the domain name anyway, without an adversarial trial. Which, as we've argued, is wrong.
"How is grade 10 going?"
Dunno... how about someday you tell us when you graduate that far.
Your argument is the same as the (satirical) argument by Pastafarians that since there are less pirates than in the 1700's, and there is an increase in global temperatures since the 1700's, then therefore Global Warming is caused by a lack of pirates.
Now, go log your linux machine off and stop M$ bashing in inappropriate arguments.
"Sure, you can download all the .torrent files you want, and that's not infringement. But we all know that the .torrent files torrent-finder is helping people locate are for the primary purpose of infringement"
Let me quote you again... I'll even emphasize it for you: "But we all know that the .torrent files torrent-finder is helping people locate are for the primary purpose of infringement"
Sorry... did I misread that? You didn't say "some" files or even "most" files... You said "the" files. And by saying "primary purpose", your sentence gives the impression that you believe all .torrent have the primary purpose of infringement but concede that those infringing files may have other purposes in addition to infringement.
If this is not what you mean, then think about how you word things. I know you're not one of the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-pirate shills we see around here. In fact, I for one appreciate your calm and rational debating style. But you have expressed a position in the past that TF has been rightfully attacked by these actions and that there is little, if any, redemption in their case. By adding statements like this, you can't blame me or others for interpreting it as I did.
"Sure, you can download all the .torrent files you want, and that's not infringement. But we all know that the .torrent files torrent-finder is helping people locate are for the primary purpose of infringement."
Please stop speaking for me when you take your assumptions and label them as 'facts'. You're trying to make an argument that there is no legitimate material available through .torrent and that's just plain wrong.
"We" don't "all know that" the torrents found through TF are illegal... you presume so.
"The differences are obvious, but they are ones that the TD regulars tend to want to ignore."
We don't ignore it... we just realize it's moot. What we look at is this: if Torrent-Finder is shut down, pirates and downloader’s will just switch over to Google. Regardless of whether TF is illegal or not, nothing will be accomplished by shutting it down. Like shutting down the 'adult section' of Craigslist, this will only move the target deeper underground.
I don't know why we keep letting the government play with the internet... I don't let my kids play with guns for a reason.
"No more than I believe techdirt at face value. Check wikipedia and other places. Form your own opinion."
But Techdirt isn't trying to sell people on the company... they are trying to point out the business practice that is questionable. And they usually do a good job of pointing to the sources for further investigation. I do form my own opinion... just because I start at Techdirt to find out about the stories doesn't mean that my opinion is somehow flawed.
"Nothing illegal is going on here. You might not like it but this is how the system is setup and how the system works. Name calling won't change that."
No, nothing illegal; just highly questionable on an ethical standpoint. And legal /= OK. Name-calling won't change it, you're right. But increasing awareness of the situation and urging for reform of the broken patent system will change it.
And besides, I don't believe I ever 'called them names'.
And when you go to Shell or Exxon or Nike or any of the companies known for exploitation, pollution, callous damage to the world (no, I'm not making an analogy of death to patent-hoarding), you'll see messages of "we care" and "we're fixing the world".
Do you believe those at face value too? When I see IV (or any other patent-hoarder) doing ANYTHING like what their website says, I'll start believing them. Is it unfortunate that heinous actions of other corporations have jaded us and made us so cynical that we won't take any corporation at face value with the benefit of the doubt? ~shrug~ Maybe. Is it going to change? Not until a vast majority of the corporations out there actually try honesty for once.
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Re: And if the stats are better, it will prompt more action, as its working.
And your internet connection doesn't factor into the equation, I'm sure.
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Of course by 'evidence' I mean 'evidence that hasn't been proven to be full of false mathematical conclusions and inflated numbers'.
Go ahead... I'll wait.
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Re: Neato
Sorry... I think you missed this. Y'know... the part where it explains that the TechDirt community member would PICK POSTS FROM THE PRECEEDING WEEK AND COMMENT ON THE SELECTION.
Seriously, did you read it? It's a week-in-review.
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Re: Mike knows - but the industry does not !!!
Who cares? How about the people affected by the laws passed by legislators who are swayed by this false information? How about the legislators themselves? I'm sure they'd care if they were being lied to to be swayed.
What?!? How does being 'in the industry' somehow create a magical world where only they can add 1 + 1? The funny thing about FACTS is that they can be corroborated by independent reviews. Just because analysts and mathematicians are not 'in the biz' doesn't mean that they can't review the information and reveal the mathematical errors, misinterpretations, and straight-out lies being given by those 'in the biz'.
They do have a clue what they're doing... and now we have a clue that they're lying. I'm sorry if that doesn't interest or concern you, but why would you defend them?
Darryl, you state all this as if Mike's opinion on the matter is moot... and perhaps it is. But you completely overlook the fact that Mike is pointing out stories and research that shows the FACTS given by the industries are WRONG. An opinion is neither right nor wrong, only misinformed... but a fact can be wrong.
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Re: Lets see what we have:
The point of the 'US would cheer him on' wasn't about America hating China or American politicians hating China... it was about how American politicians have cried out against China's censorship of the internet... and if Wikileaks had leaked Chinese-suppressed information, the US Politicians would have cheered him on for breaking through the Great E-Wall.
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The internet is for porn
The internet is made of cats
Every time you masturbate god kills a kitten
Therefore, the internet is self-defeating
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My last couple of posts were trying to clean this all up.
And you'll notice that I didn't say anything about them... they actually make a good point that I agree with and don't have any problems with the logic. I have always agreed with 'don't blame the tool for the user's action'.
But tell me this: was your stance of "MS is guilty too" sarcastic? If so, I apologize for missing the tone. If not, then you're a hypocrite for attacking one tool while arguing for the innocence of others. Judging by the fact that you didn't say "no, that was meant to be ironic" when someone challenged your first anit-MS post, I'd say it doesn't look too sarcastic from here.
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So... making a point that was demonstrated to mean nothing to the coversation by every fallacy I referenced (perhaps by some I missed) leads me to believe that it was brought in as an attack against MS. And that's not bashing… how?
Lemmie guess... that's not MS bashing either? Especially since I said "log off" in the vein of "go away". Interesting how the “non-MS bashing”[sic] Linux fanboy turns 'go away' into an opportunity to point out linux's superiority to MS. Hmm... most telling.
Now, since subtlety is lost on you… if you’re not going to contribute to the conversation, don’t participate. Don’t use it as an opportunity to add in a “let’s do away w/ MS” line where it’s not needed and doesn’t belong.
Now, when you find a proper place for those comments, let me know… I’d be happy to join you. While I don’t have to restart MS every time I update (much less multiple times), I do hate them too.
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There is a world of difference between selling crack on the corner and copyright infringement. We've covered, ad nausium, what due process for copyright infringement should be (as described in the current laws that were ignored in this seizure). Even the horribly-drawn DMCA would allow the takedown of the infringing material from TF if there actually was any, but the government decided to seize the domain name anyway, without an adversarial trial. Which, as we've argued, is wrong.
Dunno... how about someday you tell us when you graduate that far.
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That actually falls under more than one logical fallacy. Aces.
So far, we have: Fallacy of Accident or Sweeping Generalization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(fallacy)
Converse Fallacy of Accident or Hasty Generalization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident
Irrelevant Conclusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
Affirming the Consequent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Did I miss any?
Your argument is the same as the (satirical) argument by Pastafarians that since there are less pirates than in the 1700's, and there is an increase in global temperatures since the 1700's, then therefore Global Warming is caused by a lack of pirates.
Now, go log your linux machine off and stop M$ bashing in inappropriate arguments.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: a .torrent file is NOT illegal
Let me quote you again... I'll even emphasize it for you: "But we all know that the .torrent files torrent-finder is helping people locate are for the primary purpose of infringement"
Sorry... did I misread that? You didn't say "some" files or even "most" files... You said "the" files. And by saying "primary purpose", your sentence gives the impression that you believe all .torrent have the primary purpose of infringement but concede that those infringing files may have other purposes in addition to infringement.
If this is not what you mean, then think about how you word things. I know you're not one of the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-pirate shills we see around here. In fact, I for one appreciate your calm and rational debating style. But you have expressed a position in the past that TF has been rightfully attacked by these actions and that there is little, if any, redemption in their case. By adding statements like this, you can't blame me or others for interpreting it as I did.
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Re: Re: a .torrent file is NOT illegal
Please stop speaking for me when you take your assumptions and label them as 'facts'. You're trying to make an argument that there is no legitimate material available through .torrent and that's just plain wrong.
"We" don't "all know that" the torrents found through TF are illegal... you presume so.
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Re: Re: Google?
We don't ignore it... we just realize it's moot. What we look at is this: if Torrent-Finder is shut down, pirates and downloader’s will just switch over to Google. Regardless of whether TF is illegal or not, nothing will be accomplished by shutting it down. Like shutting down the 'adult section' of Craigslist, this will only move the target deeper underground.
I don't know why we keep letting the government play with the internet... I don't let my kids play with guns for a reason.
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But Techdirt isn't trying to sell people on the company... they are trying to point out the business practice that is questionable. And they usually do a good job of pointing to the sources for further investigation. I do form my own opinion... just because I start at Techdirt to find out about the stories doesn't mean that my opinion is somehow flawed.
No, nothing illegal; just highly questionable on an ethical standpoint. And legal /= OK. Name-calling won't change it, you're right. But increasing awareness of the situation and urging for reform of the broken patent system will change it.
And besides, I don't believe I ever 'called them names'.
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http://videogum.com/238772/rand-paul-supporters-curb-stomp-protester-officially-making-this-the- funnest-election-ever/top-stories/
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Re: WOW
Yes, we know.
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Do you believe those at face value too? When I see IV (or any other patent-hoarder) doing ANYTHING like what their website says, I'll start believing them. Is it unfortunate that heinous actions of other corporations have jaded us and made us so cynical that we won't take any corporation at face value with the benefit of the doubt? ~shrug~ Maybe. Is it going to change? Not until a vast majority of the corporations out there actually try honesty for once.
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Re: Re: silly FBI, they should have refered him to Al Qaeda ! so if their bombs are fake ?
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