I'm willing to bet one of the BitTorrent users will be first in line to buy a copy and MSM a photo as they walk out of the shop. You'll be able to download the file from BT that evening.
blue ray discs are already on BT right now, often a week or two before retail release. there is no need for camera phone shenanigans.
If I spent hundreds of hours perfecting a recipe for chocolate cookies that make mine so delicious that no one will buy anyone else's - and you steal the recipe and sell identical cookies, that's theft.
if you are so worried about protecting your cookies then pull them off the market.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the same applies to music, writing, or any other creative art form?
it's not difficult to understand. we get it. we just don't care. it's painfully clear that the old industries are scared of copying. they want to protect their cookies and go back to the old days when you could make millions from them. we understand that and we don't care.
if you don't want your cookies copied, then pull them off the market. why is that so hard for you to understand that?
if you are afraid of someone taking your work, then you should stop creating it. the sooner you artistic cowards go out of business, the sooner you can be replaced by artists who understand copying and are brave enough to create anyway.
No it isn't. It's about money. Mine and you're stealing it. If you spent hundreds of hours creating a work of art and some just takes it without compensating you for it, that's no different from working at a regular job and having someone collect your salary.
again, if you don't want your art to be copied, then stop creating it. you have said yourself that there is no incentive. i guess traveling, making friends, and being creative isn't fun for you. so do us all a favor and quit.
the difference between art and a regular job is that with a regular job you set the terms of compensation BEFORE the work is done. even the stock boy at a grocery store knows what he will be paid BEFORE he lifts a single box.
if you want that kind of safety, quit touring and get a real job. if you want to be an "artiste", then man up and roll the dice.
Bill Hicks reckoned that he had a one in two thousand chance in succeeding as a stand-up comic. Starting out as a stand-up myself, my current earnings amount to less than a pound a gig. I have spent hundreds of hours and hundreds of pounds travelling mastering a craft in which the odds of success are less than one i two or three thousand.
if you don't like your job, then quit. stop touring. if you work so hard and lose so much money touring, then flipping burgers at mcdonald's should be a big pay increase with a big decrease in labour. it's all about money for you anyway, right? what are you waiting for then?
here's a bit stolen advice for you: winners never quit, quitters never win, and people who never win and never quit are idiots.
if your art is such misery, why are you still doing it?
For those who argue that creative work should be a labour of love - be serious - does anyone believe that the greatest works of art created by humanity could have been created by someone taking a few hours off on the weekend and on week nights?
no one believes that. but it's time for you to be serious as well. does anyone believe that you can put the internet genie back in the bottle? be serious. the market has changed and you can choose to change along with it or go out of business.
you're damn right no one can prevent copying. morality doesn't even figure into it. you can bake a big morality cake and walk right into the middle of tienamen square and it won't make a lick of difference because copying cannot be stopped and will never be stopped.
All the R&D cost that went into discovering the optimal shape for a hammerhead will be borne by the inventor, while others can knock the shape off easily. The quality of ordinary, handheld hammers does not vary much, as long as the head stays on the handle.
Do we even know that the Slashdot moderators aren't in for a cut- shouldn't they be? They DID recruit people... conflict of interest if you believe in any sort of objectivity from the Slashdot moderators.
slashdot is moderated largely by people selected at random based on their karmic score. moderators get 5 points to moderate posts with and you can only add 1 point to a comment. moderations are then moderated again by an even larger pool of randomly selected individuals in a process called meta-moderation.
sure it's still possible to game the system, but you would need a large number of people who have mod points available, making a paid system very difficult.
as more companies run to market with the best current product with little investment in development, as development money would be almost entirely lost when you bring a new unpatent product to market.
of course, that's why you only invest the absolute minimum and go to market as early as possible. if you release your product designs under an open license that requires replicas to carry attributions to you and your company, and for all improvements to the design to be released under a similar license. any research that went into the product then serves as prior art to prevent someone from using IP laws to hijack your invention.
you can enjoy good margins while the product is unique and when the cheap replicas arrive you can adjust your pricing and use your status as the original innovator as to keep your product unique.
you can then listen to the market for feedback and watch what your imitators are doing to differentiate themselves. if they make a marginal improvement on your original design, you can copy it as well, thanks to the open license.
even if your competitors don't improve your design, you can leverage your brand, your reputation, your customer service, and other differentiators to maintain an advantage while you work on your next iteration. you can also learn from your competitors successes and mistakes and learn which vendors, suppliers and partners can make a difference for you.
the arduino and the many replicas and specialized iterations of it are a good example of this process. the designs are open and free and anyone can take them to china and have them made. in the wake of the original arduino, tons of direct competitors, after market accessories, niche/specialty applications have sprouted up, creating a vibrant marketplace for small scale micro-controllers.
This is the incredibly stupid and greedy part of the whole "CwF" thing. Basically, because bands, management, and labels are no longer making as much money selling music recordings, they have to make the money up somewhere else. So they do live shows, and raise the price.
and this is the incredibly stupid part of the whole "we refuse to recognize the change in the market" thing.
you aren't guaranteed double digit growth, or even profits. you have to change with the market.
Does this mean I have to let authorities film me having sex, or that sex is immoral and punishable by law?
just about all sex (at least all the interesting stuff) is illegal/immoral/unacceptable somewhere thanks to the literally countless number of state, local, federal and international laws, regulations, agreements, treaties, and decrees. this could easily be extended to any action, no matter how mundane you may believe it to be.
no one has absolute recollection and understanding of the law, nor do they have full recollection and understanding of every word they have ever uttered, nor every action they have ever performed, nor every person who was present to see, hear, or otherwise observe those words and actions. also they neither have complete recollection and understanding of the contents of their homes, vehicles, computers, financial transactions, or medical histories, nor do they have absolute recollection and understanding of the histories of their families, friends, co-workers, neighbors or associates.
simply put, you think you know that you have nothing to hide, but you really have no idea.
once you understand that, you will understand that no one, at any time, in any place, under any circumstance, has "nothing to hide", ever.
we all have "everything" to hide simply because we have no clue and couldn't possibly know what "everything" is. somewhere, you might be guilty of something, that is wrong according to someone. therefore, we should be free to take every available action to avoid any and all scrutiny at all times.
It turns music into the equivilant of a craiglists "man with truck" ad, rather than an international freight system.
wow, where to begin?
sticking with your poor analogy, an "international freight system" isn't going to make the kind of stuff that people believe in enough to support and build a community around.
the way to get money from music is to build a community around your work. that means making stuff that people believe in. that mass market stuff - catchy but largely forgettable radio tunes - just doesn't work anymore. it costs to much to make, it costs too much to market, and just isn't the kind of thing that people can really get behind and invest in. however, people will invest in a "man with a truck" if he or she makes music that really speaks to people.
a great (albeit non-musical) example is penny arcade. they don't just have millions of fans, they have a standing army of radical followers that buys merchandise and attends an annual event. their charity work alone is worth million dollars a year. their annual penny-arcade expo in seattle has gotten so large that they are adding another show in boston in 2010.
there are tons of new musical movements that are fueled largely by the internet: grime, nerdcore, chiptune, dubstep, to name the few that i am familiar with.
Re: As an ebook author, I have to comment on a piece of this...
Theft is theft. Pirating has not helped us... It's not just wrong, it's illegal... victim of an ebook pirate.
i'm real happy for you, and i'm a let you finish, but you forgot to mention everytime someone pirates an ebook, god kills a kitten. oh, and piracy supports terrorism.
when you are done crying, check out some of cory doctorow's writing about ebooks and why he gives his away. you might gain a couple of insights into making content work for you in the digital age.
You have to think past the end of your nose to catch this one, it's a little complicated.
and you have to think past the end of yours, because it's not very complicated.
i have money. you want my money. you have to sell me something that i want to buy before i give you that money.
you have a product that i can already get for free, in any format i like, stripped of ads, trailers, warnings, and other nonsense and play it on my schedule.
i don't want to buy discs. i don't want to go to the theater unless i am out with friends or the kids. i don't want to sit thru ads or trailers. i don't want to wait for a showing or availability in a video store. i don't want to jump through hoops to get a show on my portable player.
this is the reality of the market.
so by all means ignore the reality and maintain the status quo. please keep making over priced crap that isn't worth the price of admission. the sooner you go out of business the sooner your replacements can start delivering the only thing i am willing to pay for: convenience.
Anonymous Shill, you sort of make me laugh with your comments.
woah, easy on the sensationalism partner.
i'll have you know that industry shills are serving alongside U.S. troops right now in iraq & afghanistan and winning the war on terror.
industry shills are brave americans and deserve your respect, not your scorn. that AC is just doing his job, of protecting us from terrorism, fair use, and consumer advocacy.
there will always be a market for big factories that can make millions of widgets for 10 cents each, but they are all in china and you need to order at least a million units to get them to take your calls. this fills the gap between the factory and the garage inventor.
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Re: Re: that's better
blue ray discs are already on BT right now, often a week or two before retail release. there is no need for camera phone shenanigans.
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Re: Re: Copying is stealing.
how about albert einstein? his most notable work was done while he worked as a patent clerk.
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Re: Copying is stealing.
if you are so worried about protecting your cookies then pull them off the market.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the same applies to music, writing, or any other creative art form?
it's not difficult to understand. we get it. we just don't care. it's painfully clear that the old industries are scared of copying. they want to protect their cookies and go back to the old days when you could make millions from them. we understand that and we don't care.
if you don't want your cookies copied, then pull them off the market. why is that so hard for you to understand that?
if you are afraid of someone taking your work, then you should stop creating it. the sooner you artistic cowards go out of business, the sooner you can be replaced by artists who understand copying and are brave enough to create anyway.
No it isn't. It's about money. Mine and you're stealing it. If you spent hundreds of hours creating a work of art and some just takes it without compensating you for it, that's no different from working at a regular job and having someone collect your salary.
again, if you don't want your art to be copied, then stop creating it. you have said yourself that there is no incentive. i guess traveling, making friends, and being creative isn't fun for you. so do us all a favor and quit.
the difference between art and a regular job is that with a regular job you set the terms of compensation BEFORE the work is done. even the stock boy at a grocery store knows what he will be paid BEFORE he lifts a single box.
if you want that kind of safety, quit touring and get a real job. if you want to be an "artiste", then man up and roll the dice.
Bill Hicks reckoned that he had a one in two thousand chance in succeeding as a stand-up comic. Starting out as a stand-up myself, my current earnings amount to less than a pound a gig. I have spent hundreds of hours and hundreds of pounds travelling mastering a craft in which the odds of success are less than one i two or three thousand.
if you don't like your job, then quit. stop touring. if you work so hard and lose so much money touring, then flipping burgers at mcdonald's should be a big pay increase with a big decrease in labour. it's all about money for you anyway, right? what are you waiting for then?
here's a bit stolen advice for you: winners never quit, quitters never win, and people who never win and never quit are idiots.
if your art is such misery, why are you still doing it?
For those who argue that creative work should be a labour of love - be serious - does anyone believe that the greatest works of art created by humanity could have been created by someone taking a few hours off on the weekend and on week nights?
no one believes that. but it's time for you to be serious as well. does anyone believe that you can put the internet genie back in the bottle? be serious. the market has changed and you can choose to change along with it or go out of business.
you're damn right no one can prevent copying. morality doesn't even figure into it. you can bake a big morality cake and walk right into the middle of tienamen square and it won't make a lick of difference because copying cannot be stopped and will never be stopped.
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Re: Re: Re: strawman
precisely! explains why craftsman doesn't make hammers. due the the high availability of cheap knockoffs.
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Re:
slashdot is moderated largely by people selected at random based on their karmic score. moderators get 5 points to moderate posts with and you can only add 1 point to a comment. moderations are then moderated again by an even larger pool of randomly selected individuals in a process called meta-moderation.
sure it's still possible to game the system, but you would need a large number of people who have mod points available, making a paid system very difficult.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
of course, that's why you only invest the absolute minimum and go to market as early as possible. if you release your product designs under an open license that requires replicas to carry attributions to you and your company, and for all improvements to the design to be released under a similar license. any research that went into the product then serves as prior art to prevent someone from using IP laws to hijack your invention.
you can enjoy good margins while the product is unique and when the cheap replicas arrive you can adjust your pricing and use your status as the original innovator as to keep your product unique.
you can then listen to the market for feedback and watch what your imitators are doing to differentiate themselves. if they make a marginal improvement on your original design, you can copy it as well, thanks to the open license.
even if your competitors don't improve your design, you can leverage your brand, your reputation, your customer service, and other differentiators to maintain an advantage while you work on your next iteration. you can also learn from your competitors successes and mistakes and learn which vendors, suppliers and partners can make a difference for you.
the arduino and the many replicas and specialized iterations of it are a good example of this process. the designs are open and free and anyone can take them to china and have them made. in the wake of the original arduino, tons of direct competitors, after market accessories, niche/specialty applications have sprouted up, creating a vibrant marketplace for small scale micro-controllers.
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Re:
wow, thanks for clearing that up for me. all this time i thought this was all about stealing free shit.
On the post: Getting The Music Business Over The 'But We Must Sell Music' Hump
Re: Re: heh...
and this is the incredibly stupid part of the whole "we refuse to recognize the change in the market" thing.
you aren't guaranteed double digit growth, or even profits. you have to change with the market.
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Re: So...
just about all sex (at least all the interesting stuff) is illegal/immoral/unacceptable somewhere thanks to the literally countless number of state, local, federal and international laws, regulations, agreements, treaties, and decrees. this could easily be extended to any action, no matter how mundane you may believe it to be.
no one has absolute recollection and understanding of the law, nor do they have full recollection and understanding of every word they have ever uttered, nor every action they have ever performed, nor every person who was present to see, hear, or otherwise observe those words and actions. also they neither have complete recollection and understanding of the contents of their homes, vehicles, computers, financial transactions, or medical histories, nor do they have absolute recollection and understanding of the histories of their families, friends, co-workers, neighbors or associates.
simply put, you think you know that you have nothing to hide, but you really have no idea.
once you understand that, you will understand that no one, at any time, in any place, under any circumstance, has "nothing to hide", ever.
we all have "everything" to hide simply because we have no clue and couldn't possibly know what "everything" is. somewhere, you might be guilty of something, that is wrong according to someone. therefore, we should be free to take every available action to avoid any and all scrutiny at all times.
On the post: Time For Musicians To Take Charge: Stop Waiting For Others To Fix The Music Business
Re:
wow, where to begin?
sticking with your poor analogy, an "international freight system" isn't going to make the kind of stuff that people believe in enough to support and build a community around.
the way to get money from music is to build a community around your work. that means making stuff that people believe in. that mass market stuff - catchy but largely forgettable radio tunes - just doesn't work anymore. it costs to much to make, it costs too much to market, and just isn't the kind of thing that people can really get behind and invest in. however, people will invest in a "man with a truck" if he or she makes music that really speaks to people.
a great (albeit non-musical) example is penny arcade. they don't just have millions of fans, they have a standing army of radical followers that buys merchandise and attends an annual event. their charity work alone is worth million dollars a year. their annual penny-arcade expo in seattle has gotten so large that they are adding another show in boston in 2010.
On the post: Time For Musicians To Take Charge: Stop Waiting For Others To Fix The Music Business
it's there, and it's growing
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did you know...
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Re: As an ebook author, I have to comment on a piece of this...
i'm real happy for you, and i'm a let you finish, but you forgot to mention everytime someone pirates an ebook, god kills a kitten. oh, and piracy supports terrorism.
when you are done crying, check out some of cory doctorow's writing about ebooks and why he gives his away. you might gain a couple of insights into making content work for you in the digital age.
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Re: fear as a political tool
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Re:
and that's why you are all going to go out of business.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
and you have to think past the end of yours, because it's not very complicated.
i have money. you want my money. you have to sell me something that i want to buy before i give you that money.
you have a product that i can already get for free, in any format i like, stripped of ads, trailers, warnings, and other nonsense and play it on my schedule.
i don't want to buy discs. i don't want to go to the theater unless i am out with friends or the kids. i don't want to sit thru ads or trailers. i don't want to wait for a showing or availability in a video store. i don't want to jump through hoops to get a show on my portable player.
this is the reality of the market.
so by all means ignore the reality and maintain the status quo. please keep making over priced crap that isn't worth the price of admission. the sooner you go out of business the sooner your replacements can start delivering the only thing i am willing to pay for: convenience.
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Re: Re: WHACKED
whacamole is that green stuff you put on tacos, dumbass.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 more years, at least
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 more years, at least
Anonymous Shill, you sort of make me laugh with your comments.
woah, easy on the sensationalism partner.
i'll have you know that industry shills are serving alongside U.S. troops right now in iraq & afghanistan and winning the war on terror.
industry shills are brave americans and deserve your respect, not your scorn. that AC is just doing his job, of protecting us from terrorism, fair use, and consumer advocacy.
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Re: Distributed light manufacturing...
it gets better:
rapid prototyping - http://www.makerbot.com
(3d printing for $750)
workshop collectives - http://hackerspaces.org
(find one in your home town) - i helped start one in cincinnati.
laser cutting market place - http://www.100kgarages.com
(buy laser cut stuff on demand, sell stuff you can laser cut)
some of us are calling it IR2: the second industrial revolution:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125798004542744219.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
there will always be a market for big factories that can make millions of widgets for 10 cents each, but they are all in china and you need to order at least a million units to get them to take your calls. this fills the gap between the factory and the garage inventor.
another way to look at it is a rebirth of cottage industry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottage_industry#Cottage_industry
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