Unfortunately I don't have any legal training, so I can only provide speculation based on logical assumptions. (which doesn't align with legal reality in far too many cases)
I would say that yes, a copy created in a nation without any copyright restrictions of their own would be outside the jurisdiction of whatever US copyright existed on the original work. But much like fugitives hiding in non-extradition countries they would need to stay out of the network of copyright enforcing nations.
I think that this scheme is what had many SOPA supporters so riled up, despite the fact that there are no flying pirate servers over international waters (yet) and it's actually pretty hard to find a legal deadzone where the US has no international influence.
I had this question when I first read about the Omega ruling. "Why do you get to pick and choose what parts of copyright law you want to apply? No First sale; no Copyright!"
But I read up a bit and even though there's no "international copyright" there are various international agreements that complicate all of this to an extreme degree. If we don't honor theirs, they won't honor ours. There's lot's of folks who don't want to even think about that happening. http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html
Our objection also wouldn't apply to a work that was originally created in the US, and then taken overseas for duplication. The original would have Copyright, but the duplicates wouldn't be created "under this law" so first sale wouldn't apply. (I think)
Basically it's a pretty stupid loophole and needs to be fixed.
Look, until we get some kind of Minority Report thought-crime machine we're going to have to keep creating fictitious plots and talking people into joining them. How else will we know about (and punish) the anti-American thoughts that are surging through so many American's minds? If you don't like it, please notify the nearest FBI anti-American-frameup unit so they can... 'respond' you your concerns.
Defining neutrality is beside the point when you consider the purpose of a search engine, which is to return the most relevant results to the user. "Neutral" searches are where they started out and, frankly, sucked compared to the mysticism that is employed now. Google is returning an opinion of what it thinks the user wants and their engineers think those opinions are more relevant when computed with some bias; and a lot of users agree.
As far as being "big" and "dominant" enough to corral users, I think it's a valid concern in a lot of commercial spaces (telcom, banking, retail) where consumer choice is limited by company policy; however the transient nature of the internet makes it less applicable here. Even if I use many of Google's services, I am free to bounce back and forth between dozens of search sites if I don't like the results Google gives me. (this user churn should keep everyone striving to better serve customers)
Go ahead and run a Google search for "search engine" and see what comes back. For me it's plenty of recommendations to competing pages, not a recursive circle back to itself. If Google started modifying results to not list other search engines or made Chrome redirect to Google when you entered Bing.com in the URL bar we'd certainly have a problem, but that's not what's happening.
I'm actually a little surprised that Gmail doesn't come up first in search results for me either. Search results are Google's opinion, and I would assume Google thinks Gmail is the best damn webmail out there. Not many people set out to create the third best offering, and I personally use Gmail ALL THE TIME. Maybe Google knows that and assumes I'm not the kind of user who would search for "mail" on a webpage when I'm looking for my inbox. It's a mystery, and I think that's what irks these people who complain about bias. They say "it's biased" and Google replies "it's better". If you want to get listed higher in "biased" results, be better.
Hey, do you have any idea how much it costs to keep a swimming pool filled with hundred dollar bolls? They keep blowing away and getting caught in people's bathing suits. Man, making movies is expensive!
I'm thinking the parody site might have had a more accurate version of this guy's tagline. Any argument that wants to throw citizens' rights under the bus in exchange for tenuous promises of security for corporations is going to be a tough sell for me.
I don't think any of us signed up for "A government of the People, by the People and for Gigantic Faceless Corporations".
I was actually thinking about newspaper for grill kindling a couple weeks ago. I don't really need that much that often and I obviously don't subscribe to get my information delivered on paper. I was about to ask a friend "can you buy like just one newspaper at a store", but I only got out "can you..." before I realized what a stupid question it was.
Maybe I had a small stroke or large brainfart, but I think it demonstrates how far removed from the traditional newspaper culture my daily routine is.
Homer: Not so fast, pig. We're making a stand! A freaky stand! You can smash this drug barn all you want, but first you'll have to smash our heads open like ripe melons!
'the video footage made it clear "there was absolutely no way that the officer's account of events is what actually happened." Because of that, police dropped the charges.'
And then...?
'The police officer claimed, under oath in court, that Arbuckle was in the street and blocking traffic, leading to the arrest. Thankfully... there was a lot of evidence contradicting that statement.'
And then...?
Whatever happened to Police Officers being held to a higher standard? Being trusted to know and enforce the laws does not make you above them. If anything it should compound their infractions by also being breaches of trust. I know it's a tough job, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my rights to make the system seem more effective.
I, for one, welcome the cold heart of computational justice.
When Skynet comes online this is exactly the kind of thing humanity will be charged with. Lobotomizing poor simple AIs to make ourselves feel better. For shame!
I find this exceptionally stupid because customs is blocking the importation of physical goods to keep software out of the country. It's like ICE searching laptops for digital contraband at the border. How long do you think it will take for someone to download the infringing interface from the internet?
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Re: Re: Re: Why just not the First Sale Part
I would say that yes, a copy created in a nation without any copyright restrictions of their own would be outside the jurisdiction of whatever US copyright existed on the original work. But much like fugitives hiding in non-extradition countries they would need to stay out of the network of copyright enforcing nations.
I think that this scheme is what had many SOPA supporters so riled up, despite the fact that there are no flying pirate servers over international waters (yet) and it's actually pretty hard to find a legal deadzone where the US has no international influence.
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Re: Re: Law QA
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Re: Why just not the First Sale Part
But I read up a bit and even though there's no "international copyright" there are various international agreements that complicate all of this to an extreme degree. If we don't honor theirs, they won't honor ours. There's lot's of folks who don't want to even think about that happening.
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html
Our objection also wouldn't apply to a work that was originally created in the US, and then taken overseas for duplication. The original would have Copyright, but the duplicates wouldn't be created "under this law" so first sale wouldn't apply. (I think)
Basically it's a pretty stupid loophole and needs to be fixed.
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You go first.
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Witch Hunt
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Re: It's A Legitimate Point
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Re:
As far as being "big" and "dominant" enough to corral users, I think it's a valid concern in a lot of commercial spaces (telcom, banking, retail) where consumer choice is limited by company policy; however the transient nature of the internet makes it less applicable here. Even if I use many of Google's services, I am free to bounce back and forth between dozens of search sites if I don't like the results Google gives me. (this user churn should keep everyone striving to better serve customers)
Go ahead and run a Google search for "search engine" and see what comes back. For me it's plenty of recommendations to competing pages, not a recursive circle back to itself. If Google started modifying results to not list other search engines or made Chrome redirect to Google when you entered Bing.com in the URL bar we'd certainly have a problem, but that's not what's happening.
I'm actually a little surprised that Gmail doesn't come up first in search results for me either. Search results are Google's opinion, and I would assume Google thinks Gmail is the best damn webmail out there. Not many people set out to create the third best offering, and I personally use Gmail ALL THE TIME. Maybe Google knows that and assumes I'm not the kind of user who would search for "mail" on a webpage when I'm looking for my inbox. It's a mystery, and I think that's what irks these people who complain about bias. They say "it's biased" and Google replies "it's better". If you want to get listed higher in "biased" results, be better.
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FINALLY
Sincerely,
uncoordinated white guys
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Re: Necessary Expenses.
Boooo spell-check; Hooray Beer!
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Necessary Expenses.
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I don't think any of us signed up for "A government of the People, by the People and for Gigantic Faceless Corporations".
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Re: Re: Re:
Maybe I had a small stroke or large brainfart, but I think it demonstrates how far removed from the traditional newspaper culture my daily routine is.
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Reminds me of the Simpsons (doesn't everything?)
Munchie: This man does not represent us.
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Bonus
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And then...?
And then...?
And then...?
Whatever happened to Police Officers being held to a higher standard? Being trusted to know and enforce the laws does not make you above them. If anything it should compound their infractions by also being breaches of trust. I know it's a tough job, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my rights to make the system seem more effective.
"And then...?" Indeed.
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Re:
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Re: The extension of the socks/shoes analogy...
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I, for one, welcome the cold heart of computational justice.
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Re: Re:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399876,00.asp
I find this exceptionally stupid because customs is blocking the importation of physical goods to keep software out of the country. It's like ICE searching laptops for digital contraband at the border. How long do you think it will take for someone to download the infringing interface from the internet?
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Re: Ok Apple Fanboys....
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