""I am sick of this child getting more and more chances to make money off of what we make," writes Vanaman on Twitter."
I am sick and tired of people who get angry when value is added on top of their platforms by other players in the economy. That's how business works.
You don't hear steel workers angry when carmakers make a car from their steal then, "make money off what we make."
You don't hear carmakers getting angry when taxi companies buy their cars, then "make money off what we make."
The fact is, your products, my products, ANY product ain't worth shit to the market if we don't offer the buyers the opportunity to extract Economic Surplus from it. Whether that's in the form of Consumer Surplus, or Value-Added revenues from a business - people should be able to use your products to serve their needs.
And it doesn't matter if you like or don't like what they do with it. It is literally none of your business.
Re: The Masnick has entirely forgotten the coal miners and now openly delights in court details and meaningless insults.
i.e. Because this is serious, you must all stop laughing at funny stuff.
So, ah, no. The suit isn't about the miners, and Techdirt and ACLU are talking about the suit, not the miners. Where applicable (i.e. very little), both have taken the miner's side.
It's easy to bash on 80 year old rules and Title II. The reason is that it seems silly, at first blush, to try to use 80 year old rules to regulate something as modern as the Internet.
But, Title II does NOT regulate technology and the Internet. The parts Tom Wheeler used were about ECONOMICS, and that, my friends, doesn't change over 80 years. Here's a few things that are, unlike technology, exactly the same now as they were 80 years ago:
- Supply and demand - Monopoly - Duopoly - Market control, price control - anti-competitive measures - anti-trust
Title II allowed the FCC to limit ISPs from behaving in an anti-trust way, to abuse their market power wielded from monopoly or duopoly, to gouge customers, limit market entry from new competitors, and to expand vertically using their monopoly markets as a cudgel.
Once again, the above paragraph needs no mention of technology, the net, HTML5, LTE, QAM, FEC, or 5G. Wheeler's use of Title II is about economics and markets, and is as valid today as it was then.
And count me as one person who has a well for his own water, has a septic system for waste, and that's OK.
But if I didn't have Internet access on this land, I would move. Prior to buying any property, of course I checked the range of internet options (not hard to do, since it's 2-3 calls).
I'm the same with hotels. Don't tell me about your plush pillows or mattresses and three restaurants, I barely care - just tell me how fast your Internet is.
"That's a notably calmer and more reasoned response than you usually see from traditional Hollywood operations after a leak (read: pouting, crying, lawsuits, hysteria and face-fanning)."
Please, let's not forget the most damaging normal response:
lobbying for more obtrusive, privacy-invading, and rights-subverting "Intellectual Property" laws and protections.
Truthhurts: Agree. But bear in mind that Ajit Pai is not so much a creation of Trump. He would have been the GOP appointed FCC Chair no matter which GOP nominee won the election.
Setting up a VPN is non-trivial for non-techies, and it's also not free.
We've seen this drill played out dozens of times: - Did average users update their PCs or phones regularly, to get security updates, PRIOR to that being automated? No.
- Did the average user put a freaking password on their Wifi gateway before that was a required step of setup? NO!
The average person doesn't understand, well, pretty much anything about what is going on when they connect to the Internet. Sadly, they count on their service providers, their gov't representatives, and their regulators to learn about this, and solve their problems for them. That's what we pay those people to do, after all.
But it's clear that the ISPs want to take our money, and also sell our data, double dipping. (or triple, or quad...Karl, what are we up to now?)
Our gov't officials are fucking clueless, and don't do the homework to figure tech out (they don't "know all the hashtags"), but DO sell us out for chump change from the ISPs.
And our regulators are now full-fledged partisans, who arrived pre-sold out via the revolving door between K-street and gov't. Looking at you, Ajit Pai.
They sold us down the river. And they did it for chump change. All because people don't understand that they've been sold out.
"Plus, with the free app you can view everything on the stick without plugging it in."
I dunno about that. Does that mean the stick has Bluetooth or Wifi built-in. It doesn't claim that, so I doubt it. I think what they meant is:
"Plus, with the free app you can view everything on the stick without TRANSFERRING it." As in, view a movie stored on the stick, using the app, without moving the movie to your phone.
"And what's the difference if I'm watching some show over an Apple TV app or via my cable company DVR?"
With respect to which team wins, who hits a home run, and how much you enjoy the double play -- nothing.
But with respect to the entire make-up of the multiple industries that play the sport, produce the video content, store and deliver it to you, and provide the devices you use to receive it and display it -- the changes are massive, disruptive, and involve the shift of the distribution of billions of dollars.
Good point. Another example is that Tesla's crown jewels right now is the knowledge they are gaining from "fleet learning" where all their cars shipping with autonomous driving sensors are feeding information back into Tesla's cloud.
It's not hard to understand why THAT particular information is NOT being shared in an open database by Musk.
Musk did a great thing by sharing the basic building blocks, but he's not going to give away the most recent knowledge or secrets. In a football analogy, he'll help the others get to the 90 yard line, but they're gonna have to compete and carry the ball the last 10 themselves.
I understand there was a class action against Apple for basically the same thing: Selling a 16GB iPhone that actually had about 6GB of useful space. You should look into the progress of that case, and see if there's any precedent for you.
OTOH, Apple can be held liable because they make the hardware that says 16GB, and the software and OS. And it's obvious they benefit from people filling up there phones, as they are more likely to upgrade to a new phone...and then buy the larger memory - for which Apple charges a dear price. In the case of Google, two companies usually do that, say Samsung and Google. It's harder to hold one liable for the actions of the other.
"What does the current population of a country have to do with anything?"
It has a tremendous amount to do with how much a nation is capable of doing. That's why we almost always compare countries on a per capita basis. In the current context of immigration it matters because:
- a country has a certain number of people to process immigrants that work for the gov't. A bigger country would have more
- a country will have a certain number of churches, social groups, and programs to house immigrants and refugees. A bigger country would have more.
- a country will have a certain size tax base to pay for the programs to evaluate, and set up immigrants and refugees. A bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain number of towns and population centers to send immigrants and assimilate them into the population. A bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain amount of housing available, and a bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain amount of supply of available jobs for immigrants so they can accept them without causing a short term over-supply of labor. I know this is getting complicated, but a bigger country can handle a bigger shock to the supply of labor without destabilizing the economy.
- a country will have a certain supply of language and skills training for refugees. A bigger country will have more.
So, just that. And a lot of other things I didn't get around to mentioning.
2) You write "...America which is NOT attract those businesses". If you are arguing that the USA does NOT attract startup businesses, I must ask "why do you hate the USA so much"? Your negative opinion is wrong and pessimistic about your country. I recently saw this startup data about the hot auto technology sector https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/auto-tech-startups-2016-recap/ Have a look at the charts, which show you are terribly wrong. The USA obviously has attracted the LION'S SHARE of startup businesses...at least up until President Trump's reign.
Amen. I feel like my brain is bionic, enhanced by the Internet. Need to fix the torque sensor in my e-bike...youtube search...there's a video to teach me.
What's that quote about "First they came for the..." Oh, yeah, Martin Niemoller's poem. Would I ever have that info at my fingertips in the old days?
I have unbelievable access to shopping. Not just consumer crap (yeah, that too), but parts to repair my furnace, for example. Just search, download the manual, find the partslist in the PDF, match the broken part number, search for that part number, BAM, order. Two days later my furnace is fixed.
This access to information and things is fucking amazing. I am a superman beyond what was thought possible when I was a kid. I am not interested in losing my bionic ability.
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Sick And Tired
I am sick and tired of people who get angry when value is added on top of their platforms by other players in the economy. That's how business works.
You don't hear steel workers angry when carmakers make a car from their steal then, "make money off what we make."
You don't hear carmakers getting angry when taxi companies buy their cars, then "make money off what we make."
The fact is, your products, my products, ANY product ain't worth shit to the market if we don't offer the buyers the opportunity to extract Economic Surplus from it. Whether that's in the form of Consumer Surplus, or Value-Added revenues from a business - people should be able to use your products to serve their needs.
And it doesn't matter if you like or don't like what they do with it. It is literally none of your business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus
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Re: The Masnick has entirely forgotten the coal miners and now openly delights in court details and meaningless insults.
So, ah, no. The suit isn't about the miners, and Techdirt and ACLU are talking about the suit, not the miners. Where applicable (i.e. very little), both have taken the miner's side.
PS. Eat shit, AC.
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Tiffany?
Mr. Nutterbutter is gonna be pissed. He'd have given his left nut to assist on that Brief.
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The 80 Year Old Rules Hold Up Fine
But, Title II does NOT regulate technology and the Internet. The parts Tom Wheeler used were about ECONOMICS, and that, my friends, doesn't change over 80 years. Here's a few things that are, unlike technology, exactly the same now as they were 80 years ago:
- Supply and demand
- Monopoly
- Duopoly
- Market control, price control
- anti-competitive measures
- anti-trust
Title II allowed the FCC to limit ISPs from behaving in an anti-trust way, to abuse their market power wielded from monopoly or duopoly, to gouge customers, limit market entry from new competitors, and to expand vertically using their monopoly markets as a cudgel.
Once again, the above paragraph needs no mention of technology, the net, HTML5, LTE, QAM, FEC, or 5G. Wheeler's use of Title II is about economics and markets, and is as valid today as it was then.
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Re:
And count me as one person who has a well for his own water, has a septic system for waste, and that's OK.
But if I didn't have Internet access on this land, I would move. Prior to buying any property, of course I checked the range of internet options (not hard to do, since it's 2-3 calls).
I'm the same with hotels. Don't tell me about your plush pillows or mattresses and three restaurants, I barely care - just tell me how fast your Internet is.
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The Usual Response Is YOU Get F-ed
Please, let's not forget the most damaging normal response:
lobbying for more obtrusive, privacy-invading, and rights-subverting "Intellectual Property" laws and protections.
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Re: Was Janice while writing her article as high as Alice was when she went through looking glass.
If you want a big following, you need to write at a 5th grade level. Like our POTUS.
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Re: Re: Re: Well that's reassuring
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It's Not Easy, Nor The Default
We've seen this drill played out dozens of times:
- Did average users update their PCs or phones regularly, to get security updates, PRIOR to that being automated? No.
- Did the average user put a freaking password on their Wifi gateway before that was a required step of setup? NO!
The average person doesn't understand, well, pretty much anything about what is going on when they connect to the Internet. Sadly, they count on their service providers, their gov't representatives, and their regulators to learn about this, and solve their problems for them. That's what we pay those people to do, after all.
But it's clear that the ISPs want to take our money, and also sell our data, double dipping. (or triple, or quad...Karl, what are we up to now?)
Our gov't officials are fucking clueless, and don't do the homework to figure tech out (they don't "know all the hashtags"), but DO sell us out for chump change from the ISPs.
And our regulators are now full-fledged partisans, who arrived pre-sold out via the revolving door between K-street and gov't. Looking at you, Ajit Pai.
They sold us down the river. And they did it for chump change. All because people don't understand that they've been sold out.
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Re: I dunno
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I dunno
"Plus, with the free app you can view everything on the stick without plugging it in."
I dunno about that. Does that mean the stick has Bluetooth or Wifi built-in. It doesn't claim that, so I doubt it. I think what they meant is:
"Plus, with the free app you can view everything on the stick without TRANSFERRING it." As in, view a movie stored on the stick, using the app, without moving the movie to your phone.
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Re:
- Multi-port
- They have an app for viewing or playing media files and that costs a bit to write
So it's not just commodity storage. It's a low volume product.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
With respect to which team wins, who hits a home run, and how much you enjoy the double play -- nothing.
But with respect to the entire make-up of the multiple industries that play the sport, produce the video content, store and deliver it to you, and provide the devices you use to receive it and display it -- the changes are massive, disruptive, and involve the shift of the distribution of billions of dollars.
That warrants discussion.
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Re: Re: Re: Patents are different to data
It's not hard to understand why THAT particular information is NOT being shared in an open database by Musk.
Musk did a great thing by sharing the basic building blocks, but he's not going to give away the most recent knowledge or secrets. In a football analogy, he'll help the others get to the 90 yard line, but they're gonna have to compete and carry the ball the last 10 themselves.
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Re: Bloatware
I understand there was a class action against Apple for basically the same thing: Selling a 16GB iPhone that actually had about 6GB of useful space. You should look into the progress of that case, and see if there's any precedent for you.
OTOH, Apple can be held liable because they make the hardware that says 16GB, and the software and OS. And it's obvious they benefit from people filling up there phones, as they are more likely to upgrade to a new phone...and then buy the larger memory - for which Apple charges a dear price. In the case of Google, two companies usually do that, say Samsung and Google. It's harder to hold one liable for the actions of the other.
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Re: Re: Re:
1) everyone knows that Obama was in charge of the .com domain names. Citation: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160610/07561834679/yes-getting-us-government-out-managing-intern et-domain-governance-is-good-thing.shtml
2) Said person changed his name, and the new name fell under the purview of ICANN. Citation:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/want-to-know-how-kim-dotcom-got-his-last-name-6 179301
3) After registering himself with the US Commerce Dept, he is subject to US law. He probably should have worked with GoDaddy! to get a .nz
4) Profit!!
5) Anyone who has read this far, and still is taking this seriously is not clever.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sigh
But I DO have to thank him for exposing me to the term "jobsworth". That's actually a nice bit of learning for me.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Please Head North
It has a tremendous amount to do with how much a nation is capable of doing. That's why we almost always compare countries on a per capita basis. In the current context of immigration it matters because:
- a country has a certain number of people to process immigrants that work for the gov't. A bigger country would have more
- a country will have a certain number of churches, social groups, and programs to house immigrants and refugees. A bigger country would have more.
- a country will have a certain size tax base to pay for the programs to evaluate, and set up immigrants and refugees. A bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain number of towns and population centers to send immigrants and assimilate them into the population. A bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain amount of housing available, and a bigger country will have more.
- a country will have a certain amount of supply of available jobs for immigrants so they can accept them without causing a short term over-supply of labor. I know this is getting complicated, but a bigger country can handle a bigger shock to the supply of labor without destabilizing the economy.
- a country will have a certain supply of language and skills training for refugees. A bigger country will have more.
So, just that. And a lot of other things I didn't get around to mentioning.
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Re: Re: Please Head North
If I can muddle through the bad grammar, I think you're spouting 2 separate doses of nonsense just in that first sentence.
1) Immigration laws in Canada are NOT more strict. You need a citation for a claim like that. And certainly with the current administrations, Justin Trudeau tweeted a red carpet welcome to immigrants
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/28/justin-trudeau-tweets-welcome-for-refug ees-after-trump-issues-executive-order/
While our President has tweeted what amounts to:
"Hey immigrants. Fuck you."
That's not a legal comparison, but it speaks to the administrative atmosphere in each nation.
2) You write "...America which is NOT attract those businesses". If you are arguing that the USA does NOT attract startup businesses, I must ask "why do you hate the USA so much"? Your negative opinion is wrong and pessimistic about your country. I recently saw this startup data about the hot auto technology sector
https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/auto-tech-startups-2016-recap/
Have a look at the charts, which show you are terribly wrong. The USA obviously has attracted the LION'S SHARE of startup businesses...at least up until President Trump's reign.
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Re: Re: Re:
What's that quote about "First they came for the..." Oh, yeah, Martin Niemoller's poem. Would I ever have that info at my fingertips in the old days?
I have unbelievable access to shopping. Not just consumer crap (yeah, that too), but parts to repair my furnace, for example. Just search, download the manual, find the partslist in the PDF, match the broken part number, search for that part number, BAM, order. Two days later my furnace is fixed.
This access to information and things is fucking amazing. I am a superman beyond what was thought possible when I was a kid. I am not interested in losing my bionic ability.
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