Well, that is the problem with these 'state secrets'
If someone is being watched extra-legally or illegally, with the laws that we have right now they are basically screwed and then some, because it would be impossible to prove that they were being watched and get the government to stop.... unless they did their own pseudo-legal 'sting operation' against the government to see if they were really monitoring them.
Very sad that only Spain has realized how much the arguments of Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo REEK on the piracy front.... I wonder if a court case can be filed there for what Microsoft did to the XBox360 users who had modded their machines to play backup games?
I mean, yes, those things CAN be used for 'infringement'.... but they can also be used and most likely ARE MORE OFTEN USED for playing backed up games, which should be legal and actually IS legal by the US laws, when you remove the DMCA... which for some reason has never truly been challenged in a court of law.
Unfortunately, sometimes that is true. However, a lot of cops when they see something like this facepalm and say "Those cops give people like me an EXTREMELY bad name! Tch..... and they wonder why no one trusts us!"
This is a 'nation of laws', but you are right... the enforcers are out of control, and the laws give them WAAAAAAY too much leeway on their behavior.
It basically takes them SHOOTING AN KILLING AN UNARMED 2 YEAR OLD before they are smacked down WITH JAIL TIME like they should be.
And Australia was stupid for making that legit. You should have to GO TO THE PERSON'S HOUSE, because you don't know whether: 1. Their internet has been cut off, 2. That they are away from home at the time the Twitter is sent out, 3. That they have made ANOTHER account and are not using that account anymore, etc. etc. etc.
The police or a process server should have to go to the person's home or they should have to send something that cannot 'get lost in the interbutt' like a registered letter.
He didn't refuse to help.... he REFUSED to do something that was not going to have one itty bit of affect on the crowd.
It's like forcing me to ride my bike on a tightrope to try to help someone who is dangling 40 feet BELOW where I could reach with my arm held off said bike!
When something would have NO LEGITIMATE EFFECT, the police cannot force you to do it. And, in fact, the police have been told MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times..... that they CANNOT force a political leader or someone else to order their followers to disperse.
They tried arguing that in federal court when I was still in elementary school 18 years ago..... and they LOST THE CASE.
It wouldn't be a BIG stretch to extend those protections to the person who planned a LEGAL EVENT.
Not to mention, there is going to be some questions as to whether the police had any right to order these people to disperse in the first place.
Oh, and stop with the hysterical argument that you make. Sarcasm or not, some of the mentally impeded on the internet would actually think you are serious with that.
Nope, practice is not different. Almost every time where the police have tried to compel speech or arrested someone for not saying something they wanted them to say..... BOOM! The courts have come down on the police like a 10 KILO-TON weight on their fingers.
Unless, you are in someplace that thinks that "The 50 is always right!" like Texas. Even Texas has had federal judges get on their case in the past 30 years.
And once this goes through the courts... the police are going to be smacked, the establishment is going to be smacked (and told that they CANNOT make an optional thing mandatory, which would be like a car dealer INSISTING that I get all my warranty work done there when the law says I can do otherwise), and these people are going to be paid off by the establishment to not file a lawsuit against them.
You forget that some stupid things can be done.. but then, people get thrown in jail for doing them, including cops!
Well, to play Devil's Advocate... it already IS a crime to not report to the police a crime in question that you see.
They have gotten quite a few people for 'accomplice after the fact' for that..... though I always thought those laws were BS, to be blunt, and should be thrown OUT OF LAW.
That is the big question. The police, if this case goes to court, are going to have some 'splaining to do, Lucy!'
That's the bottom line here: Police are IN THE WRONG and they are going to be smacked for it in any non-Texas court.
No, they cannot. Gratuity means OPTIONAL, and any place that tried to have you arrested for not giving someone that, would be closed down by the police IMMEDIATELY and/or the people WHO WORKED FOR THE RESTAURANT or business ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY!
No, it is not 'easier to herd cats'. I've been in places where teenage boys and girls were in a mob like this..... it is VERY easy to disperse them IF YOU TELL THEM THAT THE EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELED!
The question here is: why was the event canceled? And second: Did the police have any damned right to cancel it? I'd have to say.......... NO, to that second question!
Or, that this guy simply was thinking "You really damned well think that a Twitter message is going to disperse this crowd? As IF!"
I've seen the videos of the crowd... while not TOTALLY out of control... it was close. One thing you do NOT want to do is get between teenage girls and their pretty boy idols... unless you wish to be trampled.
Unfortunately, correct.... to a degree that I hate. They are beholden to the big corporations, who after they serve their terms in government, give them jobs to compensate them for ruling in their favor for so many years.
It's about time for us to pass a law that says that whatever industry you are regulating as a part of the federal government.... you can NEVER work for that industry after you leave the federal government, nor take any gifts from them, nor can your family do that.
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Well, that is the problem with these 'state secrets'
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Spain has the only smart judges
I mean, yes, those things CAN be used for 'infringement'.... but they can also be used and most likely ARE MORE OFTEN USED for playing backed up games, which should be legal and actually IS legal by the US laws, when you remove the DMCA... which for some reason has never truly been challenged in a court of law.
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Re: Let's get real...
This is a 'nation of laws', but you are right... the enforcers are out of control, and the laws give them WAAAAAAY too much leeway on their behavior.
It basically takes them SHOOTING AN KILLING AN UNARMED 2 YEAR OLD before they are smacked down WITH JAIL TIME like they should be.
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Re: Re:
The police or a process server should have to go to the person's home or they should have to send something that cannot 'get lost in the interbutt' like a registered letter.
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It's like forcing me to ride my bike on a tightrope to try to help someone who is dangling 40 feet BELOW where I could reach with my arm held off said bike!
When something would have NO LEGITIMATE EFFECT, the police cannot force you to do it. And, in fact, the police have been told MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times..... that they CANNOT force a political leader or someone else to order their followers to disperse.
They tried arguing that in federal court when I was still in elementary school 18 years ago..... and they LOST THE CASE.
It wouldn't be a BIG stretch to extend those protections to the person who planned a LEGAL EVENT.
Not to mention, there is going to be some questions as to whether the police had any right to order these people to disperse in the first place.
Oh, and stop with the hysterical argument that you make. Sarcasm or not, some of the mentally impeded on the internet would actually think you are serious with that.
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Re: Re: Compelled speech?
Unless, you are in someplace that thinks that "The 50 is always right!" like Texas. Even Texas has had federal judges get on their case in the past 30 years.
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Re: Re: Re: Duh!
You forget that some stupid things can be done.. but then, people get thrown in jail for doing them, including cops!
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Re: Thou shalt Twitter!
They have gotten quite a few people for 'accomplice after the fact' for that..... though I always thought those laws were BS, to be blunt, and should be thrown OUT OF LAW.
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Re: Did they expect that to work?
That's the bottom line here: Police are IN THE WRONG and they are going to be smacked for it in any non-Texas court.
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Re: Duh!
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Re: Re: Re: It depends
The question here is: why was the event canceled? And second: Did the police have any damned right to cancel it? I'd have to say.......... NO, to that second question!
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Re: It's Kafka-esque (ok, somebody had to say it)
I've seen the videos of the crowd... while not TOTALLY out of control... it was close. One thing you do NOT want to do is get between teenage girls and their pretty boy idols... unless you wish to be trampled.
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It's about time for us to pass a law that says that whatever industry you are regulating as a part of the federal government.... you can NEVER work for that industry after you leave the federal government, nor take any gifts from them, nor can your family do that.
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