Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 7 Dec 2012 @ 8:02am
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It has not been legislated as legal in the UK.
What a carefully worded statement.
First, the courts in the UK have ruled in multiple instances other sites doing the exact same thing were legal.
Second, in a free country, laws usually indicate things that are illegal, and if there is no law against doing something, it is considered legal. If you can point to the specific UK law that states that posting links on the internet is illegal, I'll concede the point.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 6 Dec 2012 @ 1:28pm
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The fact is, most of the members of the RSC likely saw what a joke this paper was for any business that doesn't make it's money as a content parasite, and got it pulled.
In your own words:
"Post a reputable citation or STFU."
"The reason, according to two Republicans within the RSC: angry objections from Rep. Marsha Blackburn, whose district abuts Nashville, Tenn. In winning a fifth term earlier in the month, Blackburn received more money from the music industry than any other Republican congressional candidate, according to the Center for Responsive Politics."
"Lobbyists for the music and movie industries also called the RSC to express disapproval, according to Republicans involved."
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 6 Dec 2012 @ 10:45am
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AJ, haven't you been arguing for a few days that property cannot be taken away by the government without due process of law?
Yet this is what happened here. The US government seized and destroyed this entire company. As far as we know, they have no respectable evidence (they have neither released any publicly, nor shared any with the accused). The warrants have been declared invalid. They have tried to have evidence destroyed. They have convinced a friendly government to break their own laws to spy on a resident of that country.
Shouldn't someone who respects property be pointing out how horrendous the actions of the US government are?
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 6 Dec 2012 @ 10:14am
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It's not like he stapled them to telephone poles, or somewhere else public notices are commonly posted.
Even though everyone does this, it is also illegal to put a sign on a telephone pole, street sign, etc. without permission from the government in many places around the country. As are most signs placed in the medians along highways and similar places.
if he'd posted them somewhere more socially acceptable.
Which obviously would not have had the reach, exposure, and impact of what he did. While he may have broken the law, I personally support civil disobediance to draw attention to laws, policies, and actions performed by the government which may not be in line with protecting the citizen's freedoms.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Dec 2012 @ 4:08pm
Re: Explain to me like I am five
what prevents a protocol from wastefully sending same-sized packets in the opposite direction, netting a total result of almost zero?
Strictly speaking, nothing... but the upload speed of most people's home connections would prevent this from working the way you imagine. Also, for those on capped data plans, you've just doubled the traffic. And from an engineering perspective, there is obviously no sense and many problems with it.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Dec 2012 @ 1:17pm
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Ok. And what would the sensible thing to do be when the evidence shows that artificially imposing scarcity is not required in order to serve that public purpose?
Or at the very least, what is the sensible thing to do when the evidence shows that imposing the scarcity for longer than anyone will likely be alive with draconian terms that seriously harms other things being created for that same public purpose?
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 4 Dec 2012 @ 12:36pm
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I'm not speaking for Mike, and I'm not ignoring the fact that the law treats copyright as property. I'm hoping to change that fact, so ignoring it gets me nowhere.
What I'm saying is that copyright as property fundamentally does not make sense in the world we currently live in.
So I'll ask you again, can you justify your definition of copyright as property without resorting to the artificial legal construct that you have just admitted defines it as property?
I'm asking you to put in words a simple and sensible definition why it makes sense to treat something that is non-scarce, non-excludable, and non-rivalrous as property. If you can do so, maybe then you're not playing word games.
Seriously man, that's not healthy. Take a vacation. Get a massage. Get laid. Scream in a closet while taking a hallucigen. Do something other than get irrationally angry over an opinion blog where no one likes you.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 3 Dec 2012 @ 12:31pm
Re: How is this handled for everyone else?
Let's imagine that you set up a legit business in the front hall of a brothel, a crackhouse or an illegal casino.
That's a horrible analogy. This is a case where your business happens to be in the same mall as another establishment that is illegal. Instead of the cops only raiding the illegal establishment, they set up barricades around the entire mall and don't let anyone in - not just on the day of the raid, but indefinitely.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 3 Dec 2012 @ 11:51am
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That there is the potential for MORE money is irrelevant when you have share holders to please
As a shareholder who owns direct shares of publicly traded companies, I find your statement overly simplistic. While there are many who only care about the next quarter dividends and share price, some of us want stable companies that are able to adapt and see long-term, even at the result of a couple of quarters of mediocre financial statements. Any shareholder who wants the company they have invested money into to keep doing business as usual while their competitors are eating them alive is crazy.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 3 Dec 2012 @ 8:36am
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they just realize that not serving the demand and ranting about piracy gives them more money.
It might. That assumes that they cannot significantly grow their market (expanding the pie) by offering a better alternative.
It might get them more money now, but cost the a lot more money later. Taking the inevitable growth of cord-cutters and cord-nevers, HBO has no distribution route to the only growing sector. If they don't get that group hooked or subscribed to a new distribution method now, they may never get a dime out of them later, because other companies will have got them first. It's just like Napster - what would have happened if the music companies could have co-opted it instead of killing it? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120917/10043120405/if-riaa-was-innovative-alternate-universe-time line.shtml
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What a carefully worded statement.
First, the courts in the UK have ruled in multiple instances other sites doing the exact same thing were legal.
Second, in a free country, laws usually indicate things that are illegal, and if there is no law against doing something, it is considered legal. If you can point to the specific UK law that states that posting links on the internet is illegal, I'll concede the point.
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What it might do is force the businesses to call Congress to tell them to stop passing stupid laws.
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In your own words:
"Post a reputable citation or STFU."
On the post: Republican Study Committee Dumps Derek Khanna, Author Of Copyright Reform Brief, After Members Complain
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On the post: Republican Study Committee Dumps Derek Khanna, Author Of Copyright Reform Brief, After Members Complain
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"The reason, according to two Republicans within the RSC: angry objections from Rep. Marsha Blackburn, whose district abuts Nashville, Tenn. In winning a fifth term earlier in the month, Blackburn received more money from the music industry than any other Republican congressional candidate, according to the Center for Responsive Politics."
"Lobbyists for the music and movie industries also called the RSC to express disapproval, according to Republicans involved."
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Yet this is what happened here. The US government seized and destroyed this entire company. As far as we know, they have no respectable evidence (they have neither released any publicly, nor shared any with the accused). The warrants have been declared invalid. They have tried to have evidence destroyed. They have convinced a friendly government to break their own laws to spy on a resident of that country.
Shouldn't someone who respects property be pointing out how horrendous the actions of the US government are?
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Even though everyone does this, it is also illegal to put a sign on a telephone pole, street sign, etc. without permission from the government in many places around the country. As are most signs placed in the medians along highways and similar places.
if he'd posted them somewhere more socially acceptable.
Which obviously would not have had the reach, exposure, and impact of what he did. While he may have broken the law, I personally support civil disobediance to draw attention to laws, policies, and actions performed by the government which may not be in line with protecting the citizen's freedoms.
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Re: Explain to me like I am five
Strictly speaking, nothing... but the upload speed of most people's home connections would prevent this from working the way you imagine. Also, for those on capped data plans, you've just doubled the traffic. And from an engineering perspective, there is obviously no sense and many problems with it.
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Or at the very least, what is the sensible thing to do when the evidence shows that imposing the scarcity for longer than anyone will likely be alive with draconian terms that seriously harms other things being created for that same public purpose?
On the post: Fixing Copyright: Is Copyright A Part Of Free Market Capitalism?
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What I'm saying is that copyright as property fundamentally does not make sense in the world we currently live in.
So I'll ask you again, can you justify your definition of copyright as property without resorting to the artificial legal construct that you have just admitted defines it as property?
I'm asking you to put in words a simple and sensible definition why it makes sense to treat something that is non-scarce, non-excludable, and non-rivalrous as property. If you can do so, maybe then you're not playing word games.
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This does not prevent SoundExchange from telling artists: "Use our service, it is better than negotiating rates on your own for reasons X, Y, Z."
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Seriously man, that's not healthy. Take a vacation. Get a massage. Get laid. Scream in a closet while taking a hallucigen. Do something other than get irrationally angry over an opinion blog where no one likes you.
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Re: How is this handled for everyone else?
That's a horrible analogy. This is a case where your business happens to be in the same mall as another establishment that is illegal. Instead of the cops only raiding the illegal establishment, they set up barricades around the entire mall and don't let anyone in - not just on the day of the raid, but indefinitely.
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As a shareholder who owns direct shares of publicly traded companies, I find your statement overly simplistic. While there are many who only care about the next quarter dividends and share price, some of us want stable companies that are able to adapt and see long-term, even at the result of a couple of quarters of mediocre financial statements. Any shareholder who wants the company they have invested money into to keep doing business as usual while their competitors are eating them alive is crazy.
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It might. That assumes that they cannot significantly grow their market (expanding the pie) by offering a better alternative.
It might get them more money now, but cost the a lot more money later. Taking the inevitable growth of cord-cutters and cord-nevers, HBO has no distribution route to the only growing sector. If they don't get that group hooked or subscribed to a new distribution method now, they may never get a dime out of them later, because other companies will have got them first. It's just like Napster - what would have happened if the music companies could have co-opted it instead of killing it? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120917/10043120405/if-riaa-was-innovative-alternate-universe-time line.shtml
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