Thanks AC for typing all that so I don't have to. It always fascinates me that people will spout off about that lawsuit with only the barest second-hand knowledge of the real issues behind it.
In particular, the argument is also often reworded to, "If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide." My simple answer to idiots that spout this is to ask for their social security number and medical records.
Let us say that I have paid for Digital Product A, why can't I resell it when I'm done with it? And before you toss the red herring that I will keep a copy of it, for this example, either I can't or I won't. Even better, if I intend to keep it, why am I discouraged or even "not allowed" to make a backup of my purchase?
Answer: Because even the companies that sell these non-real items know that they are non-real, easily copied, easily distributed. Even IF you could somehow lock down an MP3 such that if you sell it to someone you can't keep a copy of it, the distributors still wouldn't go for it; they want everybody to buy their own... wait for it, this is very very important... their own COPY.
You mis-answered your own questions: "deal with it" != "stop it". We haven't even come close to figuring out how to stop any of the three things you mentioned.
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I will reveal exactly what every other user on this board reveals. IP address, browser type, plugins, and other things that are exchanged. Setting the bar higher for me, well, making you a fool.
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Wait a minute, 'every other user' did not claim they had nothing to hide, as you so broadly claimed for yourself. Now you seem to feel that you -do- have something to hide. And now you are starting to understand why the "nothing to hide" argument is so specious. By the way, Mike took it easy on you, I would have asked for medical records, criminal records, library records... after all, you've got nothing to hide.
I'm going to be blunt with you, shill. That page is one of the steaming-est piles of shit I've ever had the misfortune to view on the internet, worse than goatse, worse than 2G1C. I can't even comprehend the sickness in the mind of the person that wrote all that crap, much less the sickness in your mind for linking to it.
On a side note, probably the biggest problem with patents in my opinion are the words, "A method and system for". Any patent that begins with those words should be summarily shredded.
Cop: Ignorance of the law is no excuse! You're under arrest. And yes, you can see the law but we have to charge you a licensing fee. If you can't afford the fee, you can't see the law.
Man: You want to charge me money to see the law by which you're arresting me, for a crime I was unaware of?
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And, no, it wasn't caused by the Internet.
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Unless you want to make a case that internet-juice is leaking out of the wires and infecting the soldiers with evil thoughts?
In all seriousness though, I'm shocked that this information has not been examined, at least not through any media outlet I use. How many incidents are we talking about?
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Not to derail, but:
In reference to a document I had submitted for approval, I once had a boss ask me why I had text that was underlined and blue highlighted throughout my document. I laughed because I was sure he was joking.
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Perhaps the most important point of misinformation making the rounds over the internet is that these negotiations will result in the alteration of US law. On this point they could not be more wrong. In fact, to even suggest this will be a necessary result of whatever comes out of the negotiations is misleading at best and plainly dishonest at worst.
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You're certainly not the brightest candle in the box, are you? Let me break this down for you kindergarten-style:
Country A: Copying stuff is bad, I propose a treaty wherein we agree to stone anyone we think is copying stuff.
Country B: Good idea, we agree to the terms of this treaty. We will enact laws to enforce this immediately.
Country A: "People of Country A, Country B is doing the right thing by stoning anyone we think is copying stuff, and we are not upholding our international responsibilities unless we pass laws to do the same!" (Passes law for stoning anyone they think is copying stuff).
Country A and Country B: Huzzah!
Oh, and before you give me any garbage about "this (is/is not) a (treaty/executive order/some other thing)", STFU.
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... and then said that it was "bad due diligence and poor journalism" before saying I needed to update the article with the bland PR statement that's already in the Wired article."""
Hey, but at least they didn't send a DMCA take-down notice!
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Why does a set-top box have to be aware that it's a set-top box? Suppose it thinks it's a computer running a browser that happens to be accessing the site at the behest of its user?
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Exactly my thoughts: Why does it identify itself as anything other than a vanilla computer running IE or Mozilla? If licensing cr@p really is the answer, I agree with the first replier... Head asplode.
"""(1) Dumb-Ass Walmart employees presuming to know *anything at all* about copyright law"""
You are completely missing the point. The employee is doing exactly what they are trained/told to do. Wal-Mart's stance is to err on the side of caution, and who can blame them? Why open yourself up to even the possibility of a lawsuit? Especially after the Kinko's ruling. You can bet your ass that if Wal-Mart tried to claim Safe-Harbor protections for their "Do-it-yourself" kiosks, they'd get sued for enabling people to infringe by every professional studio and their mothers.
On a side note, this is very similar to the practice of not selling liquor/tobacco to anyone who "looks younger than xx". When I worked as a cashier, if you didn't have ID, I don't care if you looked one hundred years old, and you cussed a blue streak at me, you were not buying liquor or tobacco from me. Of course, in this case, if you do sell to a minor, you can be held personally responsible and fined or jailed, but still, similar in the "err on the side of caution" front.
*Someone* certainly is a jackass. Intellectual Property (IP) is commonly regarded as "protected" by copyright/trademark/whatever, for which protection many "trade secrets" would not qualify. He is absolutely correct, there is a difference between IP and trade secrets.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't some company (Microsoft maybe?) get court-ordered recently to reveal some very proprietary source code based on very flimsy evidence/discovery request? Google needs to be really careful, sounds like this is heading towards an eventual demand to 'see' Google's search algorithm.
Bah, hidden keys in manuals were nothing. I remember having to use a silly red-film "decoder" to find a keyword, and don't even get me started on the cardboard decoder-rings...
You missed the point. Please refer back to Rules #1 and #2 in the previous AC post. Those rules override all other considerations and should be considered inviolate.
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Re: Some help please.
The argument is a classic fallacy.
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Answer: Because even the companies that sell these non-real items know that they are non-real, easily copied, easily distributed. Even IF you could somehow lock down an MP3 such that if you sell it to someone you can't keep a copy of it, the distributors still wouldn't go for it; they want everybody to buy their own... wait for it, this is very very important... their own COPY.
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Re: Re: Forget the harrassment...
*** Borrowed without permission from AngryDude
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How do you stop people from (XYZ)?
Civilized society has ways to deal with it.
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You mis-answered your own questions: "deal with it" != "stop it". We haven't even come close to figuring out how to stop any of the three things you mentioned.
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I will reveal exactly what every other user on this board reveals. IP address, browser type, plugins, and other things that are exchanged. Setting the bar higher for me, well, making you a fool.
"""
Wait a minute, 'every other user' did not claim they had nothing to hide, as you so broadly claimed for yourself. Now you seem to feel that you -do- have something to hide. And now you are starting to understand why the "nothing to hide" argument is so specious. By the way, Mike took it easy on you, I would have asked for medical records, criminal records, library records... after all, you've got nothing to hide.
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Re: caving
On a side note, probably the biggest problem with patents in my opinion are the words, "A method and system for". Any patent that begins with those words should be summarily shredded.
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Copyrighting laws is full of win!
Cop: Hey you, you're breaking copyright law!
Man: Oh, jeez, I didn't know; can I see the law?
Cop: Ignorance of the law is no excuse! You're under arrest. And yes, you can see the law but we have to charge you a licensing fee. If you can't afford the fee, you can't see the law.
Man: You want to charge me money to see the law by which you're arresting me, for a crime I was unaware of?
Cop: Yes.
Man: Crap.
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Re: Wtf?
And, no, it wasn't caused by the Internet.
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Unless you want to make a case that internet-juice is leaking out of the wires and infecting the soldiers with evil thoughts?
In all seriousness though, I'm shocked that this information has not been examined, at least not through any media outlet I use. How many incidents are we talking about?
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Re: Re: I wouldn't say he's exactly blaming the internet
In reference to a document I had submitted for approval, I once had a boss ask me why I had text that was underlined and blue highlighted throughout my document. I laughed because I was sure he was joking.
He was not joking.
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Perhaps the most important point of misinformation making the rounds over the internet is that these negotiations will result in the alteration of US law. On this point they could not be more wrong. In fact, to even suggest this will be a necessary result of whatever comes out of the negotiations is misleading at best and plainly dishonest at worst.
"""
You're certainly not the brightest candle in the box, are you? Let me break this down for you kindergarten-style:
Country A: Copying stuff is bad, I propose a treaty wherein we agree to stone anyone we think is copying stuff.
Country B: Good idea, we agree to the terms of this treaty. We will enact laws to enforce this immediately.
Country A: "People of Country A, Country B is doing the right thing by stoning anyone we think is copying stuff, and we are not upholding our international responsibilities unless we pass laws to do the same!" (Passes law for stoning anyone they think is copying stuff).
Country A and Country B: Huzzah!
Oh, and before you give me any garbage about "this (is/is not) a (treaty/executive order/some other thing)", STFU.
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Re: Re: Hey mike...
... and then said that it was "bad due diligence and poor journalism" before saying I needed to update the article with the bland PR statement that's already in the Wired article."""
Hey, but at least they didn't send a DMCA take-down notice!
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Re: More tech than is necessary?
Why does a set-top box have to be aware that it's a set-top box? Suppose it thinks it's a computer running a browser that happens to be accessing the site at the behest of its user?
"""
Exactly my thoughts: Why does it identify itself as anything other than a vanilla computer running IE or Mozilla? If licensing cr@p really is the answer, I agree with the first replier... Head asplode.
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Re: Stupid...
You are completely missing the point. The employee is doing exactly what they are trained/told to do. Wal-Mart's stance is to err on the side of caution, and who can blame them? Why open yourself up to even the possibility of a lawsuit? Especially after the Kinko's ruling. You can bet your ass that if Wal-Mart tried to claim Safe-Harbor protections for their "Do-it-yourself" kiosks, they'd get sued for enabling people to infringe by every professional studio and their mothers.
On a side note, this is very similar to the practice of not selling liquor/tobacco to anyone who "looks younger than xx". When I worked as a cashier, if you didn't have ID, I don't care if you looked one hundred years old, and you cussed a blue streak at me, you were not buying liquor or tobacco from me. Of course, in this case, if you do sell to a minor, you can be held personally responsible and fined or jailed, but still, similar in the "err on the side of caution" front.
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P.S. Ideas can't be owned, jackass.
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Subpoena
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