PaulT, 2 Aug 2020 11:09pm
For the record, Mr. know-it-all, the theme of this thread is the inherent danger that lies within the false sense of VPN safety that most people put their trust in. I read your replies and found that you are arguing about things that I said, things that Nasch said, and issues that Nasch chose to extract from the lead article, all in the same reply. I know that you cannot prove the remarks in my replies to be false in any way and I am satisfied with that. You and this Nasch guy are only here to argue and you personally have a real ego problem. Your (above) paragraph is a whole lot of non-specific ignorance and irritation that no one could learn anything from. What is your point, if there is one? Are you trying to fully deny the lead article's viability and are you saying that VPN companies are straight forward and honest, that they aren't ever logging or that they diligently protect our information? And, FYI, all I ever see, everywhere I look, are "questionable conclusions" drummed-up by a hoard of late-nite busybodies with little or nothing to say. Do you see yourself as different from that crowd? Stick to the points in the lead article and reply to those. My points are that anyone is foolish to believe that the NSA has any trouble at all following us around on a computer, and, if you bought it with a credit card and used your given name to register it, then using a VPN is even more silly and useless. Everyone can see who you are, they merely see you in a different place. Try to be more productive with your comments.
These forums are about bringing enlightenment, encouragement and support to those who seek it. You have had nothing to say outside of trying to pick-apart everything that I have said. Do you have anything to say, or not? Criticism and attempts at finding fault do not count as pertinent comments. Perhaps you should read the lead article upon which this thread is based so that you will get the idea and if you look, you will see positive similarities in my comments. I have said nothing critical, challenging, or negative. Point: Stick with the thread's content, its theme, and add your own experience and knowledge to that. However, when you do, come equipped enough to offer something more than speculation and questions.
Re-Reply from elperico back to nasch (Aug 1 2020)
You are correct that these are not actual IP addresses in the conventional sense and my apologies for the improper wording that I used. I was trying to make very clear the inevitability of everyones' Internet visibility. Being that longer blogs tend to bore the audience, I cut it somewhat short, so now, since you are calling me out, here is the long version.
"To identify each individual machine we use something called a Machine ID. The Machine ID is unique to each computer and is built off of the MAC address of the machine. A MAC address is a unique identifier assigned to network interfaces.".
If you run the "ipconfig /all" command on the cmd line, you will see this individual identifier labeled as, "Physical Address" and it shows where you are, as well as the locations of all of the adapters in your "tunnel" network.
Also there is the UUID identifying number.
From the cmd line, run this syntax:
wmic csproduct get name,identifyingnumber,uuid
Then, there simply are the factory serial number, the Windows product key, the serial number of the hard drive, the ISP address, and the IP address.
It would be foolhardy to presume that NSA or any formidable and serious tracker could not easily extract all of this information from any user they choose, and the idea that a VPN is a barrier to them is faulty reasoning. The NSA installation in southern UT consists of a 100,000 sq. ft. super computer and I sincerely urge you to believe that a VPN is not an inhibitor to them. If it came down to it, they have the power to demand any and all records and information that the VPN owners have amassed, to the point of a full lockdown and possession of their facility.
The trust you have in VPNs is not based on logical reasoning. I will not pursue this any further. Do your own research and stop believing things told to you by people that are trying to sell you something.
Every laptop and PC has its own IP address that is visible during the "handshake" process that you constantly go through on the Internet. This is similar to a paper trail of a credit card. They don't need to inspect your Internet Service Provider logs to find you. This identifying internal number will come up very readily with the search programming NSA comes to market with and this is what identifies YOU apart from your ISP. They won't admit it, but they can always look right past the ISP's address and see your rig's identifying number devised upon it's construction at the factory. It is this info that they "log" at all of the switching points along the server network. Otherwise, how would the ISP know who was (paying and) using their bandwidth? That is why the "logging" is a threat to you, because you are immediately identified all of the time. Encryption can temporatily conceal what you said, but they always know who you are and all of the places you went. Combine that with the unit's serial number and if you paid for your computer with a credit card; so, they know immediately who you are anyway, without, tracking logs, having to de-code anything at all, or trying to outsmart a VPV. You are so painfully visible and trackable. Then, once outside your ISP's server, everything is visible. The only thing a VPN is good for is when the wi-fi you use restricts your content choices and you can use the VPN as a "proxy" server to get around it. Beyond that a VPN is nothing but a con job and a guaranteed bust. Wise-up.
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Yeah, o-k tough guy. I kicked the dog sh out of a lot of punks like you in my life. You're a coward and you are all mouth. Screw off.
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PaulT, 2 Aug 2020 11:09pm
For the record, Mr. know-it-all, the theme of this thread is the inherent danger that lies within the false sense of VPN safety that most people put their trust in. I read your replies and found that you are arguing about things that I said, things that Nasch said, and issues that Nasch chose to extract from the lead article, all in the same reply. I know that you cannot prove the remarks in my replies to be false in any way and I am satisfied with that. You and this Nasch guy are only here to argue and you personally have a real ego problem. Your (above) paragraph is a whole lot of non-specific ignorance and irritation that no one could learn anything from. What is your point, if there is one? Are you trying to fully deny the lead article's viability and are you saying that VPN companies are straight forward and honest, that they aren't ever logging or that they diligently protect our information? And, FYI, all I ever see, everywhere I look, are "questionable conclusions" drummed-up by a hoard of late-nite busybodies with little or nothing to say. Do you see yourself as different from that crowd? Stick to the points in the lead article and reply to those. My points are that anyone is foolish to believe that the NSA has any trouble at all following us around on a computer, and, if you bought it with a credit card and used your given name to register it, then using a VPN is even more silly and useless. Everyone can see who you are, they merely see you in a different place. Try to be more productive with your comments.
(untitled comment)
These forums are about bringing enlightenment, encouragement and support to those who seek it. You have had nothing to say outside of trying to pick-apart everything that I have said. Do you have anything to say, or not? Criticism and attempts at finding fault do not count as pertinent comments. Perhaps you should read the lead article upon which this thread is based so that you will get the idea and if you look, you will see positive similarities in my comments. I have said nothing critical, challenging, or negative. Point: Stick with the thread's content, its theme, and add your own experience and knowledge to that. However, when you do, come equipped enough to offer something more than speculation and questions.
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Re-Reply from elperico back to nasch (Aug 1 2020)
You are correct that these are not actual IP addresses in the conventional sense and my apologies for the improper wording that I used. I was trying to make very clear the inevitability of everyones' Internet visibility. Being that longer blogs tend to bore the audience, I cut it somewhat short, so now, since you are calling me out, here is the long version.
If you run the "ipconfig /all" command on the cmd line, you will see this individual identifier labeled as, "Physical Address" and it shows where you are, as well as the locations of all of the adapters in your "tunnel" network.
From the cmd line, run this syntax:
wmic csproduct get name,identifyingnumber,uuid
Then, there simply are the factory serial number, the Windows product key, the serial number of the hard drive, the ISP address, and the IP address.
It would be foolhardy to presume that NSA or any formidable and serious tracker could not easily extract all of this information from any user they choose, and the idea that a VPN is a barrier to them is faulty reasoning. The NSA installation in southern UT consists of a 100,000 sq. ft. super computer and I sincerely urge you to believe that a VPN is not an inhibitor to them. If it came down to it, they have the power to demand any and all records and information that the VPN owners have amassed, to the point of a full lockdown and possession of their facility.
The trust you have in VPNs is not based on logical reasoning. I will not pursue this any further. Do your own research and stop believing things told to you by people that are trying to sell you something.
(untitled comment)
Every laptop and PC has its own IP address that is visible during the "handshake" process that you constantly go through on the Internet. This is similar to a paper trail of a credit card. They don't need to inspect your Internet Service Provider logs to find you. This identifying internal number will come up very readily with the search programming NSA comes to market with and this is what identifies YOU apart from your ISP. They won't admit it, but they can always look right past the ISP's address and see your rig's identifying number devised upon it's construction at the factory. It is this info that they "log" at all of the switching points along the server network. Otherwise, how would the ISP know who was (paying and) using their bandwidth? That is why the "logging" is a threat to you, because you are immediately identified all of the time. Encryption can temporatily conceal what you said, but they always know who you are and all of the places you went. Combine that with the unit's serial number and if you paid for your computer with a credit card; so, they know immediately who you are anyway, without, tracking logs, having to de-code anything at all, or trying to outsmart a VPV. You are so painfully visible and trackable. Then, once outside your ISP's server, everything is visible. The only thing a VPN is good for is when the wi-fi you use restricts your content choices and you can use the VPN as a "proxy" server to get around it. Beyond that a VPN is nothing but a con job and a guaranteed bust. Wise-up.
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