Man Says GTA Made Him Think He Could Outrun Cops

from the somebody-call-jack-thompson! dept

Lawyer Jack Thompson's well-worn schtick is to blame all sorts of crimes on video games, in particular the Grand Theft Auto series. In a case that he'll probably adopt as "proof" of his beliefs, a man in Albany, N.Y., has been sentenced to jail (via Digg) after leading police there on a car chase. Apparently, the guy thought he could get away from them because he'd done it on GTA. Of course, despite what people like Thompson might say, the mitigating factor here isn't the video game -- it's the guy's stupidity. Trying to make out that it's games that cause society's ills, rather than focusing on the real reasons people commit crimes and do stupid things is the real problem for society, since it gives people another way to abdicate personal responsibility.
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  • identicon
    anonymous coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 2:20pm

    We live in the United States of Abdication.

    And first!

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    MissingFrame, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:21pm

    Better than pr0n!

    And I remember the good ol' days when you could blame porn for all your sex crimes and rock-n-roll for your drug habit.

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  • identicon
    Sohrab, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:34pm

    this is so pathetic.

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  • identicon
    Denfro Licious, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:41pm

    LSS

    Well, I played Leisure Suite Larry and I could get madd hot chicks to sleep with me... I thought I could do it in real life too cause I did it in the game.

    Unfortunately I'm a geek! I'm now in mental distress and am suing!

    *pun*

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      SoccerDiva, 16 Apr 2006 @ 3:29pm

      Re: LSS

      This is the funniest thing that I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh!

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:44pm

    techdirt.com sucks

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  • identicon
    mercifuljes, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:46pm

    yeah, and playing ES4 oblivion made me think I could cast "ondusi's spell of open door" to rob houses, and when the guards come after me I'll put on my invisibility cloak.
    If the invisibility cloak malfunctions I can just use a chameleon spell.

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  • identicon
    ANDREW JACKSOIN, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:57pm

    So can i blame the hot coffe mod for outrageous oral sex ?

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  • identicon
    Amelia, 14 Apr 2006 @ 3:58pm

    Get a life - The Sequel

    We are a nation of people with far too much time on our hands, always coming up with new ways to try and blame other people for our problems and our behavior. Al Qaeda might get us but we'll do ourselves in first, destroying this great country of ours from the inside out, one moron at a time...

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    • identicon
      you can leave, 14 Apr 2006 @ 5:21pm

      Re: Get a life - The Sequel

      alright, why don't you leave then...see ya


      have a better life in a third world country

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      • identicon
        zossima, 14 Apr 2006 @ 9:05pm

        Re: Re: Get a life - The Sequel

        have a better life in a third world country

        And from whom did you extract this pearl.

        I know--- Fox News made you believe that there is some sort of logic in the sentiment that criticizing America or Americans is undemocratic.Your line of thought, if I am not mistaken, is:"If you don't want to be told what to think, go somewhere where you will be told what to think THEN you'll appreciate being told what to think."

        Forget GTA, it's gotta be Fox giving its followers dangerous delusions and causing them to confuse the repetition of muddled, nonsensical propaganda with clear thinking.

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      • identicon
        charlie, 15 Apr 2006 @ 11:04am

        Re: Re: Get a life - The Sequel

        Don't be an idiot, why should he leave? Just because he criticized the state of affairs in this country doesn't he should run off.

        Martin Luther King Jr criticized this country. Does that mean he shoulda ran off? No, you doofus, by his criticism he made it an even better place. The principles of our nation is built on this freedom, to disparage so that we can all learn and benefit.

        Don't be a tyrant.

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  • identicon
    Jack Thompson, 14 Apr 2006 @ 4:08pm

    On Responsibility

    You have it all wrong. It's not about responsibility! It's about lining my pockets!

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  • identicon
    qreepii, 14 Apr 2006 @ 4:26pm

    Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

    isn't there a rifle proficient geek out there who can just remove thompson? i'm sure if u snipe enough people in CounterStrike u'll be able to drop a dorky attorney from 100 yards..... lol

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 6:14pm

      Re: Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

      No. 400 yards is more like it...

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    • identicon
      Luci, 15 Apr 2006 @ 7:25am

      Re: Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

      Actually, I know several among my geek circle who are proficient with rifles. 400 yards? I'll got the gunsmith to site in the scopes.

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      • identicon
        JOe Snuffy, 15 Apr 2006 @ 1:13pm

        Re: Re: Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

        You had a gunsmith site your scope? Are you retarded? You going to have someone shoot your targets for you as well?

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2006 @ 11:05pm

      Re: Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

      try 1500 to 2k yards depending on wind conditions...using a steyr scout of course

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 4:35pm

    well heck.. i get can head shots in fps games but in real life i can't eve hit the target.. *shrugs* just more peple wanting to escape real problems they put them selvs in

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    djp, 14 Apr 2006 @ 4:54pm

    that guy's a chump.

    hey i could've outrun those cops... they never catch me on GTA!

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    El Conquistidor, 14 Apr 2006 @ 5:37pm

    GTA- San AnMAKE ON EDGE PEOPLE DO CRAZY STUFF

    I love GTA, that guy just had a problem. This goes back to the Harry Potter "Now my kids are wizards" ordeal. Just because I play Mario doesn't mean I'll go and grab golden coins and eat mushrooms all day. KEPE UP THE WORK ROCKSTAR

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    Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 5:48pm

    Get these guys to play other games.

    We should try and get people like that to play frogger.

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    • identicon
      Jason, 15 Apr 2006 @ 11:45am

      Re: Get these guys to play other games.

      Id pay to see that. Lol.

      "I ran across the highway because Frogger made me think I could dodge cars going 70mph."

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        Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2006 @ 6:07pm

        Re: Re: Get these guys to play other games.

        haha i'd pay to see that too

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    • identicon
      Ben, 15 Apr 2006 @ 5:23pm

      Re: Get these guys to play other games.

      That is by far the best comment ever. And I concur 100%!

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  • identicon
    Darwin, 14 Apr 2006 @ 5:50pm

    CEO material

    Whatever this man does for a living, promote him. He is obviously CEO material. (Or just remove him from the Gene pool. Some people are just too stupid to live on this planet)

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    Darwin, 14 Apr 2006 @ 5:50pm

    CEO material

    Whatever this man does for a living, promote him. He is obviously CEO material. (Or just remove him from the Gene pool. Some people are just too stupid to live on this planet)

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    BlackCow, 14 Apr 2006 @ 6:36pm

    stupid GTA

    I hate GTA, it gives ALL video games and people who play them bad names. Just cuz I play battle field 2, counter-strike:source, and Call of Duty 2, dosent meen im going to go and freken go around and shoot people in the head!

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    • identicon
      dan, 17 Apr 2006 @ 8:09am

      Re: stupid GTA

      GTA has nothing to do with giving 3rd Person shooters and their players a bad name... stupid people have all to do with that.

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    LetsReason, 14 Apr 2006 @ 7:18pm

    Be Reasonable Now

    Okay, the guy is stupid. I agree. And I do not "blame the game" for his stupidity. In the end, it is the responsibility of parents, community and the individual to help mold people into productive and educated citizens who abide by society's agreed rules and laws. But I think a person shows their own "ignoring of reality" when they attempt to dismiss the effect media can have on an individual's perception of reality.

    Given, the above premise is true, games DO affect peoples reality when given inappropriate time and importance in an individuals life. We are NOT all created equally when it comes to learning, physical abilities and perception of reality. We are NOT all on equal circumstances of our living conditions and environment. I think it is certainly possible that this individual interacted with the game enough that, in the moment, he may have thought he could control life and reality (ie. the physics of the car and persistance or intelligence of the real officers) from his "over-experience" with the game. Your ability to deal with hours of game-play and someone elses are not the same and to assume as much is naivity on your part.

    Do I suggest that the game becomes an avenue of escape for responsibility for this person? Not really. But I do believe it can be a legitimate factor in the pyschology of the individual. So, in my opinion, besides jail time appropriate to his actions, I believe part of his sentence should include probation (if not a life-time restriction) of gameplay of this kind. He has shown that he simply cannot deal with it appropriately.

    Send the guy to jail with an Atari 2600, 19" Black&White television and Tic-Tac-Toe. Jail time and therapy. And comprehensive solution. ;-)

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    • identicon
      ChocoTuar, 16 Apr 2006 @ 9:01am

      Re: Be Reasonable Now

      I understand that you're trying to see it from his perspective (I try and give the one at fault the benefit of the doubt), but in this case it just seems that he was over-confident. I've played games with violence in them (we all have), but I know that it takes a lot of practice and skill to become what the characters are portayed as being able to do (besides the occassional defying-of-gravity, etc). For this man to think that he is able to out-run cops he has forgone several steps in logic:

      1. Cops aren't likely to just disappear after a few minutes of a car chase; I've heard of some that have gone for hours, until someone ran out of gas.

      2. Helicopters are play a huge part in police chases. They can tell the ground units where the subject is heading and what roads he is taking, even if he is able to outrun the cops' Chevy Impalas.

      3. When you run into something, the car is usually damaged far beyond the driving limits, unlike it is in video games where you have to literally remove the steering wheel from the dash to make it undrivable.

      I have no sympathy for this fool. He assumed way too much and didn't think about it rationally in the moment. Too bad emotions get in the way too much...

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    • identicon
      shableep, 16 Apr 2006 @ 9:18am

      Re: Be Reasonable Now

      Good point. Just the same as how some people aren't able to act responsibly with alcohol.

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    mike, 14 Apr 2006 @ 7:41pm

    thinking

    I don't know do you think this guy actually believes what he is saying?
    i don't think so i think he just came up with an exuse for his actions. i wouldn't be surprised it had never actually played GTA at all. I mean people run from the cops all the time even before video games were invented
    the irony is back in the old days you actually had a chance of loosing the cops these days good luck you'll need it!

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  • identicon
    I'll Drive, 14 Apr 2006 @ 7:49pm

    Move them, they'll never know

    Given all people are not equal, but all morons are. Let's tell them they're going to disneyland. Recreate they're life tell them uhhhh nature changed the scenery,(theyll buy it) and get rid of them. But video their new lives and air it on TV.

    Ratings will go through the roof and it will ultimately determine which is true

    Darwin or creation

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2006 @ 8:04pm

    Learn English

    It's not "abdicate" it's "abrogate".

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    Dylan johnston, 14 Apr 2006 @ 8:21pm

    What an idiot

    I know why he didn't get away, he forgot to buy his rocket launcher from ammunation.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2006 @ 6:02am

      Re: What an idiot

      Heh, he should ave had his car painted, that throws the cops off your trail every time.

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    geek that plays too much css, 14 Apr 2006 @ 8:40pm

    dropping thompson

    Does anyone have a good aimbot for a sniper rifle? that would make it easier to no scope him

    *pun*

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    Jeremy, 14 Apr 2006 @ 9:16pm

    Just F@#$ING STUPID

    sorry...im a young kid i know...but i have had vice city and san andreas since their release, both of them...and that means i was about 11 when vice came out...and im not violent...but how in the hell can you honestly think that a videogame could make someone do something? really...im sorry...but humans are hard wired to accept society, and that is against society...therefore it is a defect in this man's wiring...

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    Andy, 14 Apr 2006 @ 10:48pm

    When will government ever learn

    You simply cannot legislate against stupidity. Reacting to people like this with legislation, where pressure groups try to ban video games because SOME people cannot distinguish fantasy from reality (or claim that at least) simply does not work. Why pander to these morons? No one should be able to claim that a game "made" them do something and be allowed to sue for it.

    Respondents who say it is an abdication of responsibility are right, we are in a blame culture across the world, in which idiots are being given leave to sue others for their own weaknesses and foolishness. But the principle to follow is simple, if you are (or wish to be treated as) an adult, it means taking responsibility FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. The further we go down an alternative route, the fewer freedoms we are left with.

    As a Libertarian, I say allow adults to do what they want as long as it does not hurt others. Conversely, If a person's action does hurt others then that person must suffer the consequences. Not the victims and not the rest of society in general.

    It was not the makers of GTA (or any other game) who took the action which caused this guy to do the wrong thing, HE did!

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    Rickler, 14 Apr 2006 @ 10:56pm

    the suv did it!

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    Loool, 14 Apr 2006 @ 11:25pm

    He got pwnt, what a nub.

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    m0rd3r, 14 Apr 2006 @ 11:52pm

    GTA LIED TO ME

    I wanted to shoot up my block so I tried to do the weapons codes and NONE OF THEM WORKED. WTF?!

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    >_, 15 Apr 2006 @ 12:12am

    8~

    There have been car chases for over 100 years and GTA has been around like 10. I think violence causes games, not the other way around.

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    GodemperorZero, 15 Apr 2006 @ 12:13am

    ahem VIDEO GAMES DON'T INSPIRE VIOLENCE! IDGETS LIKE JACK THOMPSON AND HILLARY CLINTON DO!

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2006 @ 12:39am

    INVISIBILITY ROBE FOR OBLIVION

    hey tom, use one of your sigil stones from the oblivion gates and enchant yourself a robe....

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    PopeRatzo, 15 Apr 2006 @ 4:35am

    For what it's worth, I've played Need for Speed so much at various times that when I got behind the wheel of my "real" car, I had to take a moment to absorb the fact that I couldn't do all those controlled slides and stuff.

    I was just playing Black and White 2 for about an hour and when I came to this website I though I could zoom in and out with my mouse wheel.

    Yes, the guy is stupid for admitting it, but I can understand.

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      mojoPAGODA, 17 Apr 2006 @ 11:52pm

      Blurring the lines of reality

      I used to play ALOT of Splinter Cell (stopped when it just got too damn difficult) and after big sessions of it on Xbox, every time I saw a fluorescent light I wanted to shoot it, particularly if I was in a car park. Thank God I didn't because my NV and thermal goggles aren't working too well right now.

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    Midnight Voyager, 15 Apr 2006 @ 8:03am

    Re: Geek with rifle proficiency Needed....

    Hey, I'm an 18 year old Southern gamer chick. I think I could snipe Thompson and still look innocent. *BIG DOE EYES* And I know I can hit.

    See, GTA is a public service. Giving stupid crooks more and more stupid ideas.

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    I write this with a Chicago Typewriter, 15 Apr 2006 @ 8:06am

    GTA may not be the best influence, but you have to be really stupid to be influnced by it.

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    m, 15 Apr 2006 @ 9:44am

    I played Dune (1992) and now I think I can outrun giant underground worms that come to eat me. Damned worms
    I'll sue!!!

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  • identicon
    Curtis Edenfield, 15 Apr 2006 @ 10:28am

    Life sucks

    We get to fat, so we sue Mc'Ds or Jack or The King.
    We get anorexia, we sue Dr Atkins or Weight Watchers.
    We get busted for trying to ditch the cops. etc. etc. etc.

    It's called responsibility folks!! People want to point fingers and not assume responsibility for thier actions.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2006 @ 10:45am

    haha, I don't know who's a bigger idiot - the guy who thought he could get away from the cops of Jack Thompson for calling himself a lawyer and not even having the skills to make money ambulance chasing!! He's gotta resort to this! lol

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  • identicon
    JJ O, 15 Apr 2006 @ 12:04pm

    KEY WORD HERE

    CHOICE. We all have a choice in what we do. We may be somewhat influenced by propaganda, but in the end it is our CHOICE to do so. Thats what makes us human. No matter where we are at, we have a CHOICE.

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  • identicon
    Adam, 15 Apr 2006 @ 12:25pm

    Video games don't make people more violent, and I'll kill anyone who disagrees with me!

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    geek for life, 15 Apr 2006 @ 1:04pm

    video games

    With all the lawsuits on them, Take-Two (gta maker) is in BIG financial trouble and may go under. If you do like something sew till it goes away!

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    Random Law Guy, 15 Apr 2006 @ 1:11pm

    Too much editorializing

    >Trying to make out that it's games that cause society's ills,
    >rather than focusing on the real reasons people commit crimes and
    >do stupid things is the real problem for society, since it gives
    >people another way to abdicate personal responsibility.

    Too much editorializing -- it's pretty obvious what's going on, no need to make the obvious statement. In fact, it might be more powerful to let the reader make the conclusion herself. Think about it -- the presentation of the facts is so tilted in one direction that the conclusion is naturally on the reader's mind. When the conclusion comes from within [the reader's mind] it has a lot more force since the reader then "owns" the idea and is less likely to try to come up with alternate explanations. If you write the words then the reader will read them critically -- here, maybe considering whether the lawyer is just out for a buck regardless of what impact there is on society. That suggests that the problem isn't social indulgence, but rather the structure of the legal system...

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    I sit in my car with a hooker...weee fun!!, 15 Apr 2006 @ 2:25pm

    Misconceptions

    Ive come to the conclusion that people are stupid, hypocrites, irresponsible, senile, mentallu deficient, etc.
    You can get a hooker in GTA..wow you sit in a car and it rocks around, i get wood(sarcasm). I get into a cop chase, kill twenty cops, then get out and shoot the gas tank of a car. it blows up...

    i mean come onif anything this game is making people less wanting to go out and doing these things, see people are lazy, why bother getting in trouble in RL for doing something stupid, if you can do it in a video game...ecen better the horrible depictions of the sex scenes in gta makes kids want to aly off having sex until they are physically mature..

    peace out yealls shoot some cops heads off for me.

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    grewals, 15 Apr 2006 @ 3:08pm

    take responsibility

    take responsibility for your own stupid actions dont blame it on video games

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    Bevis nd Butt Head are to BLAME, 15 Apr 2006 @ 5:23pm

    Bevis n Butt Head Started all of this

    I remember when Bevis n Butt Head popped on the scene. I knew then that our society was being dumbed down for a reason and here it is. Whatever makes someone think that you can outrun the police and their technology. DUH!!!!!

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    Rhymes with "Wenis", 15 Apr 2006 @ 5:37pm

    Maybe, maybe not

    This man may not be devoid of thought after all: maybe his motives were to gain attention; from "lawyers" like Jack Thompson (wether his motives are real or for monetary gain) to argue his case, or maybe to gain press attention and have "concerned" parents be involved politically - thus potentially impacting the outcome of his trial. I'm not saying he isn't retarded to start with - but someone in his situation may have seen a viable alibi.

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    Mike, 15 Apr 2006 @ 8:49pm

    dont blame the game

    i too think that violence is not the gaming industry's fault, its those kids stupid parents who buy it for them and later complain becuase thier kid says and does stuff bad. heres a message to all you parents who get mad at video games, IF U THINK YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO CHANGE BECUASE OF IT... DONT BUY THE GOD DAMN GAME!

    that is if u think of it at all, some parents dont care wat thier kids do or say

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    randy, 15 Apr 2006 @ 8:55pm

    influences

    what about he bible, how many wars were started because some book said this is right and this is wrong? videogames, like religion are a scapgoat for "bad guys" to blame their problems on. the reality is that daddy wasnt around, and mom was a coke whore. or uncle jimmy touched them when they were 4 and they havent seen a counsler yet.

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    Joseph Moye', 15 Apr 2006 @ 10:05pm

    Personal responsibility vs training and environmen

    Of course one should take responsibility for one's actions since he will have to pay for them. Nevertheless, this doesn't discount the powerful effect video has on inclinations, attitudes and yes, actions. Of all training media, video is perhapps the most effective, especially participatory video such as games. This is why violent videos are dangerous when used by children and the weak minded.

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    candle_86, 16 Apr 2006 @ 12:46am

    So if I fly a simulator?

    So if by these ppls standards if a video games makes you know something, does that mean that because I spend 50+ hours a week playing FS2004 I can fly a 747? I really doubt it, if you can say GTA made you do this, tell me plz what car comes with Dual analog?

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      Tora1188, 16 Apr 2006 @ 8:49am

      Re: So if I fly a simulator?

      That one car from Men In Black 2 had dual analog for flight mode.... but I dont think that one counts.

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    erik, 16 Apr 2006 @ 1:01am

    Game Blame

    You know Thompson is just trying to get a sentence reduction by blaming a video game. Seriously, millions of people play GTA and are totaly fine. You have to be creazy already to have a stupid video game affect your decisions.

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    Chrissi, 16 Apr 2006 @ 8:51am

    All your GTA are belong to us....

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Apr 2006 @ 9:29am

    Re: Re: Be Reasonable Now

    ChocoTuar,

    I think you might've thought the original author was suggesting to blame the game in the end. But I think the author was merely suggesting that, due to this persons development, he isn't able to handle the effects of the video game properly. Thus, probation of a GTA style gameplay would be necessary for his and others safety. The blame isn't on the game, the blame is on his lack of development.

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      ChocoTuar, 16 Apr 2006 @ 7:00pm

      Re: Re: Re: Be Reasonable Now

      A video game is a video game is a video game. The only feasible way to censor a video game is in the interest of National Security, otherwise it is under the blanket of the First Amendment. The video games are the personal expressions of their creators, and thus protected by the Constituion. Jackie-boy can get mad all he wants, but in the end there is nothing he can do but complain and hope that the creators take him seriously.

      In my post I was meaning to degrade the fool for not thinking it through all the way. He didn't think it through because none of the three points I mentioned crossed his mind (if they did, then he's a bigger fool than any of us imagined).

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    DWBjr, 16 Apr 2006 @ 10:22am

    Video Game Makers Need to Be Careful

    Well, alone or not, I will say that video games need to at least bare the weight of some responsibility to society. As an example, when people make movies, a lot of times, in consulting, past con-artists help them to make a "con" that isn't readily reproduceable or immitatable by people... so that there's a sense of reality, yet not an opportunity to screw shop owners or other people that haven't seen the show (when the imitators come rolling in).

    Like announcing the vulnerability in a software product without discussing with the maker, so they might have at least an opportunity to fix it. Things like "bad behavior" doesn't HAVE a "fix", and the imitators will inevitably come.

    So, you have this guy playing Grand Theft Auto... and looking at it over and over, realizing that... Hey... it really *does* map the city he lives in... and, well, well... after a few games, he's getting ideas... "this really could work". For people with some self-respect, future, and options... why would you steal a car? Too much risk. For people with nothing to lose and surrounded by other people with nothing to lose, suddenly its an opportunity that they keep asking themselves everyday... "Do I think I could do it? Why not?"

    Is it GTA's fault? Hell, no... but the videogame makers aren't being responsible citizens by encouraging the sensationalism of stealing a car. For that alone, I don't absolve them of shame. Society is imitative. Hello... that's how celebrity endorsments work. Just because their sensationalism sells games, doesn't mean its *right* to do a game that... doesn't simply "feature" it... but ENCOURAGES it. It's some pretty LOW stuff to be trafficing in.

    A friend and I were talking the other day about this. Like... what would happen if: A videogame maker came out with a "rape simulator", where you could stroll through central park hunting women... or a video game maker came out with an "al queda" simulator, where you could find a sect in America, and get your way past immigration... go to weekly meetings... visit the training camps... and work your way to becoming a terrorist on 9/11... just because.

    All in the name of free speech. At what point do we actually turn to the videogame maker and say, "Dude, that's F'ed up. What are you?" Overtly trafficing in the simulation and sensationalisation of a crime isn't exactly the highest road to be travelling in my opinion.

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      do some research, 16 Apr 2006 @ 3:37pm

      Re: Video Game Makers Need to Be Careful

      "Like... what would happen if: A videogame maker came out with a "rape simulator", where you could stroll through central park hunting women"

      They already have those. I would put a link, but children might be on.

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    simon, 16 Apr 2006 @ 10:46am

    some ppl do have problems

    well, i honestly think some ppl outthere shouldn't play games, and other shouldn't try to analyse'em.

    since when candy/sweet drinks etc. companies had to pay dental treatment / diabet ?

    since when a product used by most without problems is already a problem?

    like other said: too much time on hands and too much brain work on loose i'll add.

    ppl demonstrate they smart finding problems, but distructive not constructive. if that idiot is so stoopid to blame game for his mistakes, make-him play a kind of game he's gonna develop some usefull skills, better, but in jail where he belongs for breaking the law.

    and for the lawiers who fight this addictions 1 word, try some gym, use brain is about to fry!!!

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    Gary Hammontree, 16 Apr 2006 @ 11:12am

    GTA and car chases

    You really can't fault this guy too much. The sad fact is that about 80% of Americans are stupid. When as few as 50% of the people vote in a national election and 100% of them complain about the results -- that's STUPID. However the fact that NO ONE HAS EVER won a car chase should give you some idea of the mental level of those involved.

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      tsk tsk tsk, 16 Apr 2006 @ 3:45pm

      Re: GTA and car chases

      There are a lot of prople who have escaped the cops. Thousands from prisons alone.

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    American Man, 16 Apr 2006 @ 5:22pm

    Real Reason

    The Bible says the reason we commit crime is because we are full of evil selfish desires.

    Repent of your sins guilty people!

    The judgement of the Lord is coming upon all who do not recognize and repent of their own sin.

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    fireBAD, 16 Apr 2006 @ 5:46pm

    Lame lame lame

    Adults that do stupid s4it should not be allowed to sue anyone...you drink coffee...coffee is hot...you spill coffee on you...it will burn...you will yelp...and move on. No this part is important so repeat after me...YOU WILL NOT SUE!

    Parents...you should really police your childresn video games...the ratings are there for a reason and on top of that you can go to Gamespot.com and read about the game before you rent/buy for your kid.

    Now I played inappropriate games for my age when I was a kid (Leisure Suit Larry comes to mind) but I have never lost my grip on reality. Sure sometimes I like to drive my car a little reckless...and sometimes paintball is a little more like Black...but I know where I am at and who I am and what my limitations are.

    This guy was an idiot...he should not be let off the hook because of a game and if anyone defends this asshole then I feel sorry for us all!

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    Some Aussie Guy, 16 Apr 2006 @ 7:52pm

    I'll be a Hero!

    If i ever save someone's someone's life, i'll say i learnt my techniques from some video game then we'll see what Jacko would have to say about that.

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    suv4x4, 16 Apr 2006 @ 8:55pm

    PacMan did it!

    PacMan made me think that small yellow plastic balls are edible. I've suffered extremely unpleasant and embarassing procedures to resolve the consequences.

    So I have this to say: ball manifacturers, damn you all to hell!

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    techdirt watchdawg, 16 Apr 2006 @ 10:16pm

    TechDirty?

    Apparently, comments here are now being editorialized here on Techdirt, or there is something wrong with the site.

    I saw postings well in advance of once shown, then have been removed or misplaced for some reason on here.

    Are the editors editing out valid commentary? or is there a problem with the site?

    For example, there were satirical postings about frogger making people run across streets blindly, and pacman making people put plastic in their mouths posted previously that have disappeared.

    EDITING? or a MALFUNCTION?

    techdirt watchdog

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      Mike (profile), 16 Apr 2006 @ 11:52pm

      Re: TechDirty?

      Techdirt watchdawg,

      Apparently, comments here are now being editorialized here on Techdirt, or there is something wrong with the site.

      I saw postings well in advance of once shown, then have been removed or misplaced for some reason on here.


      Please back up those accusations. We do not delete comments on Techdirt, unless they are spam, or directly harmful in some manner.

      Are the editors editing out valid commentary? or is there a problem with the site?

      Neither. I think you may have rushed to judgment for some unknown reason.

      For example, there were satirical postings about frogger making people run across streets blindly, and pacman making people put plastic in their mouths posted previously that have disappeared.

      I still see both of the comments you reference. No one here has touched them. They've been up since they were posted.

      Please do not us accuse of such things when the accusations are absolutely false.

      Besides, why would we ever edit out satirical comments... especially amusing ones like that?

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  • identicon
    Shameless, 16 Apr 2006 @ 10:27pm

    Refuggingtarded...

    Stupidity wins again...

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    khannon, 17 Apr 2006 @ 2:03am

    2 fast

    Actually in the original GTA, the cops got the fastest cars, so it was easyer to shoot them than to outrun them.
    So he should have taken his basooka and kabum!

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