Forget Fake Rolexes, Are There Really 3,000 Fake Chinese Companies In Silicon Valley?
from the seems-like-overkill dept
Earlier this year, we wrote about how some scammers in China, rather than just counterfeiting products had set up an entire counterfeit version of Japanese electronics giant NEC in China. It appears that there may be a different kind of counterfeit problem in the US. The Raw Feed highlights one snippet from a month-old article suggesting that China has set up over 3,000 fake companies in Silicon Valley alone, as front organizations to steal technology from various companies and send it back to China. Economic espionage, of course, is nothing new at all, and is quite common among most industrialized nations. However, it still seems fairly astounding to think that the efforts to deceive would require upwards of 3,000 fake companies in a single region.
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What's so odd about that?
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say what?
Or were you being sarcastic? It's so hard to tell.
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Re: ???Back in the day???
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Or maybe back in the day of his childhood when things were still innocent and the world was small.
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Fiction
Not make-believe.
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FACTS
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I find it amusing that so many people use this as an oppotunity to bash the Bible and its believers, which is not relevant to the conversation. What is relevant is that stories of these kinds were being written thousands of years ago, and that this kind of behavior is not new.
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Facts are his back in the day statement. As if he remembers such a time.
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Little g
The fact that you spelled God with a little "g" tells the whole story.
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Of course
Because there are millions of people who lived and documented their history and it has been confirmed by non secular historians including ATHEIST...I would be further happy to humiliate you by citing those statements in a personal forum that would not tie up this forum...groingweery@yahoo.com
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Aethistism is about thinking critically, not finding a religion that doesn't worship anything.
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Absolutely.
Those of you still arguing this point need to take it somewhere where you can complain about it for eternity. Let it go. Nobody's mind is going to be changed here.
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Maybe your book does involve some real historical locations but that does not prove a man waled on water, turned blood into wine, or that moses was several hundred years old.
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need a good ananolgy
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I am so dumb
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And Leslie, you just keep taking the bait, it's kind of funny.
This is about the Chinese, not God (or god). And I say that if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, then the Chinese aren't breaking any laws. If they are caught breaking international law, prosecute. If this is a violation of U.S. law, call them on it and sanction them. Of course nobody in either of our two parties has enough sack to impose such a threat upon the largest army in the world….BTW, where’s Osama?
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LOL
Someone please tell me that it's just early and I misread this !
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But it WAS based on a true story!!!
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They don't need to spy on U.S. companies...
Also, the article does not state that there are 3,000 front businesses in Silicon Valley. Rather, there are an estimated 3,000 nation-wide, and "many of them" appear to be in the Silicon Valley area. "Many" could mean 2000, 200, or 20.
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I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the bible but surely someone as educated as yourself and also with a knowledge of the bible and perhaps religion knows the bible is not fact.
There may be elements of the bible which are fact but overall it has undergone numerous "re-readings" which have vastly changed the histories. If history is allowed to change so dramatically over time it is not an accurate history by any means. So much of the bible was created/modified and even left out to create what those with power wanted. And lets not even get into the numerous places within the bible where the stories create numerous contradicitons.
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The quest for (religious) Truth
And, while my conclusions are clearly better than all of yours, I feel no compulsion to share them with you, because, well, they are my personal conclusions.
Furthermore, since I know I am right, I am not at all threatened by the conclusions of others. Their closely held beliefs are simply not relevant to my life, so long as they do not try to somehow force them upon me (which would be an impossible goal, anyway).
So, what I am saying here, is that impassioned and pointless arguments over each others' beliefs is mostly an indication of the insecurity of the individuals holding on to those beliefs. If you cannot accept others beliefs (whilst feeling your own beliefs superior), then you are simple not secure in that which you "know."
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"Silicon Valley is a hotbed" of economic espionage, said Don Przybyla, who heads a FBI counterintelligence unit in San Jose. The valley is home to many of the estimated 3,000 Chinese front companies nationwide set up to steal secrets and acquire technology, according to the FBI."
So the headline and the concluding statement are a little misleading.
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I hope you follow the bible and segregate yourself from society when you have your period ( because you are "unclean" ) so we normal people don't have to deal with you for at least a few days each month.
If you're a guy ( Leslie goes either way I suppose ), I hope you never "satisfied yourself", for god smote a few people for just that back in the day.
The bible is full of fairy tales with morals to teach and guide people. It is not fact. Jesus wasn't born on Christmas, either. The shepherds wouldn't have been out in the fields to see the star over Bethlehem at that time of year. Take the message, but don't be fooled into thinking that its all real.
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I wonder how many of you who are confident in stating that the Bible isn't fact have actually investigated the historical, archeological, sociological, geological, evidence or lack of evidence for your claims?
Actually, the Bible is a book of several books which contain history (yes, really), poetry, stories, analogies, allegories, civil and religious laws and predictive oracles (prophecies). So to say or not say thb Bible itself is fact is to say that Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's dream is fact. You are assigning to it a category to which it doesn't belong.
The historical parts of the Bible have never been proven untrue. We know much more about the world of Moses and Solomon and Jesus today than we did 100 years ago. And we have not learned anything to refute the dates, cities, kings or major events (wars, etc.) that are cited as history. In fact, we have learned much that substantiates it.
When it comes to Jesus, the fact is, he lived - and at the time the Bible says he lived (by the way, Christmas is not mentioned in the Bible - nor is the date Jesus was born, only the period of the census taken by Augustus [which is fact]). As to what he said and did while he lived - we can only rely on witnesses who heard and saw it to relate to us. There are four books in the Bible which relate what their authors saw and heard - either directly or from 1st hand sources - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These books are extremely reliable, from a documentary point-of-view (as we have them today), since we have fragments and copies of them that go back 1600 years. And they haven't changed in context at all from those early manuscripts. So, whether you believe what they say or not is up to you. But the Bible - in places where it CLAIMS to be factual or historical - hasn't been disproved yet.
I could say more - but I'd rather say - what on earth do the Chinese need 3000 false companies for? They could probably just by the technology under the table.
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The four "first hand" ( and by first hand you must mean edited until the original message is hard to find ) accounts you mention that are "extremely reliable" in fact are not so. There are over 70 gospels that were written by followers of jesus, and most of them decidedly clash with what was put in the bible. These accounts are much more trustworthy, for they have not been edited and manipulated throughout the centuries, and some of them have not even been discovered until recently.
"we have fragments and copies of them that go back 1600 years"
1600 years, huh? Am i wrong, or was jesus around more like 2.000 years ago? What happened in the 400 years between?
I never said that christmas was mentioned in the bible you conclusion-drawing ignoramus.
There is a historical account of the years that methuseluh lived, so do you agree that people can grow that old?
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This is a tired argument and those of you pushing it as fact are either Sheeple in dire need of thought evolution, pushing an agenda or both (which scares me even more).
The Bible is a book of morals. Read the stories to learn HOW to live. How to be a better person. Don't push your beliefs on others and always question everything.
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An idea is easer to change than a belief.
Beliefs:
http://www.udel.edu/DRC/Images/world-trade-center-12.jpg
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Come on now...
Leslie believes what she believes - I believe what I believe as well as you all...
Mike, do you believe in ideas?
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As a physics teacher, I would gladly enlighten anyone to scientific fact of God, creation, and I would even throw in some information about Leslie's actual point, that from creation man has been corrupt. Lies, treachery, deceit, and the like, have existed for millenia. We tend to think that things were not so in 'the good ole days', but the facts are there for us whether we want to read about them in the Bible, or in world history. Things will continue to get worse, until the end.
There is an absolute truth UniBoy. To think there is anything else is very naive. All of man's ways are right in his own eyes. Defending one's belief does not mean insecurity in that belief. I believe that what I believe is 100 percent right. I would die for it. I believe that it is so right, that everyone should believe it.
No, Jesus (actually Joshua), was not born on Dec. 25th. The Bible doesn't say that He was though. In fact, the Bible doesn't say that three wise men visited Him. We assume that since there were three gifts presented, but the Bible never states it. They also were not present at the 'nativity' but came a year or two later. Let us not confuse the Bible's facts with man's traditions. Using false traditions to argue that the Bible is wrong is not exactly a just comparison.
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Go China! You go ahead and break free! woohoo.
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Common Sense
Please enlighten me to the scientific fact of God, honestly.
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I'd like to prepare something for you, it's rather lengthy to post here, please reply kwalker(remove)@walkerstudiopro.com.
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this is the problem
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What you are feeling is called 'conviction'. When people talk about God and you feel uncomfortable, that's conviction. The pounding in your heart, the strange, uneasy feeling, it's God. Go with it. He's using this opportunity to try and reach you.
What you say Kyle is true though, we have strayed from the topic. It can hardly be helped at times though.
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Since you mention it though, contrary to popular 'scientific evidence' of years gone by, the Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.
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WTF!?
As Mo used to say 'back in the old days' "Sheesh!".
(Or was it Larry...)
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WTFWJD?
Y'all need to sit down, take some sedatives, or rub one out. YOU TAKE YOURSELVES TOO SERIOUSLY. SLOW YOUR ROLL. And don't forget to breathe.
To jump from economic espionage, to bible-thumping, bible-bashing, or atheism is phooking ludicrous.
Looks like it's time to take a vacation from TechDirt again. :-(
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I have nothing against anyone who believes in the bible but stating "facts" which are not correct such as the bible being a complete historically accurate document is bound to set people off. If you are going to follow the bible (and i'm not saying that's a bad thing) you might want to educate yourself before suggesting to others things about it which it's not.
I have to say that I was brought up in the Catholic church, sunday mass and church school until 12th grade when I was confirmed. I followed the Catholic faith until I attended a private catholic college where I studied the bible for four years.
In the end, affter being brought up and told that this book I'm holding is historical fact and then finding out that it is really just a collection that has constantly been re-read and changed based on the times and who was in control of it, it no longer had the same appeal. If it does for you, that's great and I'm sure it's helped a great number of people navigate their lives and be good people.
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Fact or fiction
I believe Truth is not redefined by the next discovery. The perception of Truth is not changed by the next theory. The wise person is the one to see that there is something beyond his understanding. The fool is the person who says there is one understanding, his.
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That in itself is a theory. But, a very deep one and therefore it's the right one.
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WWDJ for a Klondike bar?
I less than three all of you fools, but I think maybe everyone misses the bigger picture.
China sucks. America FTW! :)
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and keep your fucking church bulletins and fliers out of my fucking face.
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Done? Okay, now that you're ready, I'd like to say I hoped that my subject would indicate that I am not a bible thumper, as, as far as I can tell, their sense of humor when it comes to religion has been outsourced.
Not to mention, wether or not I believe some guy changed water into wine-- I'm not sure where you get off thinking you know enough to judge me for these beliefs. I never asked you to believe that some guy changed water into wine, did I? I also don't recall calling you names because you (clearly) don't.
And as much as you hate to admit it, the bible is pretty much as I said, a guide to better living with other people. It's more or less the same stuff that kindergardeners get taught: Be nice, don't steal, don't masturbate. :-P I highly doubt the bible matters much in the Grand Sceme of Things-- wether you believe in God or not, I couldn't imagine a pop quiz on bible trivia and fact at the Pearly Gates. If there is I'm screwed, for sure.
The point I was trying to make was that no one is going to verbally accost me if I say I like my pizza with white sauce, black olives, bacon, spinach, feta and chicken. Just because I like it doesn't mean you have to-- and just because I think you'll like it and offer you a taste doesn't mean you should jump down my throat ranting about my pizza coupons being in their face. So, why is religion any different? No, really, I want to know.
The way I see it, as long as I'm not terribly inconvienenced by your religion, or lack thereof, then I'll gladly listen to what you have to say and go on believing whatever it is I believe. Speaking of, the only group I have a beef with these days are the ultra-atheists.. Just because you don't believe in a god or God doesn't mean we need to wipe the word off the planet. I like it in the pledge, it just seems to go there. You wouldn't like it if the word 'evolution' were wiped out, would you?
That golden rule thing works everytime. Except for masochists. Oh well.
Man, look at all my idle ranting-- I rock.
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Leslie
And it's good you told others how to honor Christ, don't want them thinking for themselves...who knows what could happen then?!
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I can remember after studying many religion classes in college that I would go to my mom (strong catholic) and explain to her all I had learned about the content of the bible. But in the end it falls on deaf ears because she has that magical thing called faith.
Well, one day I thought about it and while I didn't feel this same faith that she did and couldn't begin to understand why she wouldn't look at the facts I presented to her...she is happy and leads a good life as a Catholic and will never be convinced by anything less than God that what she is doing is vain.
So regardless of your religious beliefs, if you want to purely argue facts than argue the facts...changing someones beliefs, especially religious ones....well...good luck.
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Since this has gione completyely off-topic
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