Verizon Wireless Slowly, Quietly, Backing Away From Misleading Claims Of Unlimited Service

from the shhhh...-don't-tell-anyone dept

Wed, Apr 4th 2007 10:19pm — Mike Masnick

For years, Verizon Wireless has been pushing its EVDO wireless internet service as "unlimited" -- but then cutting off users if they passed some unknown, unstated "cap." When pushed on this, a Verizon Wireless rep actually said "It's unlimited amounts of data for certain types of data." And... if you happened to go over a certain amount of total data, then they insisted you absolutely must have been using it for "other" types of data -- even if they had no actual proof. For a while it was thought that the cap was 10gigs, but later it was revealed that it was merely 5gigs of data per month -- which these days, really isn't all that much for some people. We've always wondered why no one ever hit Verizon Wireless with a false advertising suit over the claim of "unlimited," but it never happened. However, it appears that Verizon Wireless has been slowly backing away from the unlimited claim, and is now putting the 5gig limit into the terms of service. They still do use "Unlimited" in their press releases, but seem to be backing away from it in their ads. There's nothing wrong with limiting the total bandwidth that can be used, so as long as the company was clear about it. It's unclear why it took years for Verizon Wireless to decide that actually being (somewhat) honest about what it was selling was a good idea.

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csin, 4 Apr 2007 @ 11:24pm

VZW
If you look back... they have a history of incorrect or misleading advertising... look at the out of country data usage incident...
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John, 4 Apr 2007 @ 11:26pm

Verizon
Verizon couldnt possibly do anything to benefit its customers.God forbid you actually get something for your money.They're backing away from their customer's needs is what it should have read.
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Shalkar, 4 Apr 2007 @ 11:26pm

B.S.
The fact is there is no reason to go to Verizon unless that's all you have in your area or it's all you can afford. Verizon has a horrible privacy policy and overcharges for what little it gives. I have them because they're the only DSL provider in my area and I can't afford regular cable internet. It's wrong that the internet is still considered a "luxury" when people need it for researching for school and for just wanting to learn...
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Apr 2007 @ 2:13am

We've always wondered why no one ever hit Verizon Wireless with a false advertising suit over the claim of "unlimited," but it never happened.
Most individuals can't afford to start a legal battle with a large corporation like Verizon when they are ripping off the public; that's what the Federal Trade Commission is _supposed_ to be for. So the real question is why the FTC wouldn't act in this case.
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On the phone, 5 Apr 2007 @ 2:31am

Lack of integrity
Verizon has never been honest in its dealings with the public. Good service, poor corporate values. When dealing with them you simply need to understand that they will not keep their word.
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Apr 2007 @ 3:03am

FUCK Verizon!
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Sherman T. Potter, 5 Apr 2007 @ 5:14am

The only way this meatball should be served is with a ping pong paddle!!!
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Chris Frary, 5 Apr 2007 @ 5:26am

Verizon and Cingular
I live in nortern NY, right on the border with canada, constantly hitting their towers. Cingular even though they claimed those calls won't cost extra they did and have to spend countless hours on the phone to get rid of charges (not to mention the shitty service). Verizon on the other hand will take off the charges immediately but usually they don't put them on in the first place. I had learned Verizon is somewhat part of a lesser evil that At&t (Cingular). If sprint or alltell were to come up here I would switch in a heartbeat.
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1WebGuy, 5 Apr 2007 @ 5:30am

Locked into a Contract
Verizon is the Microsoft of cellular.
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AZ, 5 Apr 2007 @ 6:53am

Re: Anonymous Coward
Ahh look another stupid kid with poor language skills that he/she has nothing better to say than a cuss word.
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Wizard Prang, 5 Apr 2007 @ 6:59am

Not the worst
I switched to Verizon from Sprint four years ago, and have not regretted it.

They have not mistreated me, have had very few billing errors and I have had no problems... though to be fair, all I have is basic cellphone service.

Ah Sprint... now there's a company that desperately needs to buy a clue (See blog entry at http://tinyurl.com/3a987f)
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Bryan Campbell, 5 Apr 2007 @ 7:03am

Verizon Can't Support what they sell
I had the same problem with Verizon about a year ago. I signed up for their EVDO service but selected a plan that was only $10/month but limited your downloads to 10MB a month. This met my needs since I only wanted to look at the odd webpage while waiting in lines etc. However, I noticed I kept getting charged overages even though I knew my usage was at most two or three webpages a month (it helps having worked in the computer industry for 20 years). I finally had them send me a log of my web access and discovered that either the server that is logging access doesn't register when a user disconnects or the phone will poll periodically. The result was that I had dozens of megabytes of phantom downloads and at times the log claimed I had been online for 23 hours in a day! Verizon's only answer was that most people opt for the 'unlimited' plan! I was sorely tempted to bring a class action suit against them and I still think about it everytime I look at the log file they sent to me.
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another random human being, 5 Apr 2007 @ 7:14am

Re: Not the worst
That is really strange...i've tried verizon, sprint, at&t, and T-Mobile, and this is the rank I've found from them...(given, this is pay-as-you-go, but i would imagine that most things would be the same)

1st: T-Mobile
2nd: Sprint
3rd: AT&T
Last: Verizon

I've never liked verizon, and have always had problems with them.
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Colin LeMahieu, 5 Apr 2007 @ 7:44am

That's funny, when I read the terms of service on the contract I signed it said you can't go over 5gb a month.
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magicdiablo, 5 Apr 2007 @ 7:51am

Software
The one thing I can't stand about Verizon is the inability to use your own songs as ring tones you have to buy them from Verizon or one of their "partners" on their VCast system. Also every phone has the exact same OS. Not bad if you switch phones within the service, but you can't really do shit with it. You loose a lot of functions of the phone that you get. Once my contract is up with them I will be moving on
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Witty Nickname, 5 Apr 2007 @ 8:54am

My main problem with Verizon is hte big brother aspect. Whereever I go there are thousands of people and helicopters following me around. Most tend to leave when driving on very rural roads, but for the most part it is pretty annoying.
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JNels, 5 Apr 2007 @ 9:24am

Advertising
Hey - Jeff Nelson here from Verizon Wireless PR - yeah, yeah, PRBS but still. As one poster notes, our Terms & Conditions has noted a 5MB limited for the plan for a year or so. The plan itself has been "Unlimited For" particular kinds of use - email, browsing, intranet. It has never been plain old "unlimited," though we have changed the advertising graphics to note that. The language permiated other parts of the company as well - yeah, including PR, so we're all taking a look so we won't be talking "shorthand" about "Unlimited," when we mean, "use the service for the basics like email, web browsing, your intranet services . . . . that every reasonable person knows will be less than 5MB per month in use."

Thanks for the opportunity to respond . . . .
Jeffrey
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Tekee, 5 Apr 2007 @ 10:45am

Re: Software
I'll second that. The only reason I switched was to get 5 free razrs on a family plan. I wanted to use the bluetooth and/or USB to transfer pictures and tones between the phones and my computer. Verizon has motorola disable those abilities :( Waiting patiently for 1 more year and I'm OUT!
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the grass is always greener, 5 Apr 2007 @ 11:04am

It just doesn't matter
I've found that no matter which provider one might have, they are very eager to switch.

I started out with Sprint and was there for five years and then I switched to Verizon (mainly because everyone I know was a customer).
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Edward B., 5 Apr 2007 @ 11:09am

Re: Software
Just FYI -- if you can pair your phone via Bluetooth to your computer (BT has to offer a serial-type connection, not just DUN) or get a USB cable, you can use BitPim (www.bitpim.org) to access all the normal media (e.g. for backup of pics) as well as the filesystem. Filesystem access allows you to add your own MP3 and MIDI ringtones, although the directory they are in is locked so that you cannot copy them back out. You can also put the ringtones on your phone as sounds, either by use of a card (Mini/MicroSD) and then texting it to yourself or alternately by emailing to your phone (1234567890@vzwpix.com) and saving the attachment as a ringtone. I can put ringers on my LG enV VX9900 via Bluetooth, I use USB to put them on the wife's KRZR

More info on cell phones, including workarounds to the Verizon restrictions: www.howardforums.com
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chuckhen, 16 Aug 2007 @ 1:54pm

Verizon's claims
Issues with Verizon;

1. I purchased the plan at a Verizon store and told them I wanted an unlimited data plan because I downloaded large amounts of data. The sales person told me that what I was getting, no limits and no restrictions. The agreement I signed had no 5gb limit in it, it was just your standard 2 year agreement form. 3 months later I was terminated for going over the 5gb limit. Customer service said sorry, nothing we can do its automatic. They said I would not be charged the early termination fee and they would start a new account for me with a new phone number and no activation fee would be charged. First bill I got after reactivation had the early termination and activation fees! 60 days it took them to fiz that goat rope with me calling once a week to follow up. They also made me feel it was all my faulty.

2. Started having problems getting dropped all the time on the EVDO network. After several weeks of troubleshooting with customer service they told me there was nothing they could do. They said that the problem was a faulty peice of equipment in the cell tower that supports my connection and the company who owns it could not fix it. They downgraded my service area to marginal and said they would note in my account I was not to be charged the early termination fee if I decided to cancel service because of this. Yeah right, we know how thats going to play out, see issue#1.

2. Lost connection while surfing 2 days ago and could not get reconnected. Gave them a call and they said "Sorry, you have to have the latest version of the VZAccessmanager or we can't help you". Funny, I had just checked for the latest version that morning and their software said I had the latest version. He told me to go find and internet connection somewhere and download it. I was willing to wait the 2 days mail time for them to send me a copy and was told they couldn't do that. Funny, the last time my card went bad they sent me a brand new card with the software, why didn't they do the same in this case. I pay them $50 a month for a limited internet connection and I have to go use somebody elses connection to get theirs back online.

Called AT&T today and talked with a supervisor about their data plans. Seems AT&T has no restrictions or limitations on their "unlimited plans" at all and they could not believe Verizon was getting away with what they were doing. Well, I'm here to tell you they are not going to get away with it if I have something to say about it. I'm going to contact a lawyer and start a class action suite, I don't care if I get a dime, just tired of seeing good folks get ripped the hell off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Karen, 16 Aug 2007 @ 2:01pm

Class action
Let us know if you get anywhere with filing the class action chuckhen, I'll jump on board.
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Paul, 18 Aug 2007 @ 2:15pm

Overscription and limited technology
The real problem is that there are too many users abusing the cellular service for junk services and the technology is not fully developed to support this at the present time.
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chuckhen, 21 Aug 2007 @ 8:48pm

Re: Overscription and limited technology
Are you saying that there isn't enough bandwidth to support the cellular services these corporations are selling? This would be my point exactly.
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Verizon's Victim, 11 Dec 2007 @ 9:36pm

Re: Not the worst
wow, u must b a verizon sales rep to lie like that.
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Omi, 10 Jun 2008 @ 5:52pm

Verizon Navigator (False advertisement)
It costs more to use this VZ Navigator. I have been using this since 5-6 months. The latest release of Navigator also displays the current traffic along the route. But now it takes up lots of Bytes and also for every time you use, as well as for some reason they even charge for using SMS. I have been charged for more than 30 SMS in my last month bill for no reason. So monthly charge for using this service is not $9.99 but $9.99 (Monthly charges) + $3.98 (Data Access charges) + ~$6 (SMS charges) = approx $20 plus Airtime charges

Verizon falsely advertise that using Verizon Navigator costs $9.99 per month…
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Doug, 27 Jul 2008 @ 5:16am

Verizon unlimited
I got unlimited in febuary 2008.It was great for 6 months i didnt mind the restrictions as they only slowed it down after the 5 gig limit to a 400kb speed.this month though there is no reset to the broadband speed they promised.Im limited from the start. stuck in the contract till 2010.The 80 dollars a month for dialup speed is just not right.I happen to like my netflix movies on the go and do game alot.what else is the net for!I found out this after 6 months of service as there wasent any problems that i seen right away but now the streaming youtube,myspace and netflix videos are imposible to watch with any such enjoyment I once had.there advertizment now stated 5 gig then .25 cents a meg over! ya right, one netflix movie at say for a small one gig stream could cost umpteen dollars. netflix told me some of there movie streams could exceed 5 gigs. thats 1,025.00 dollars to watch a movie service movie i paid for wtf!!!!
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Jeremy, 31 Jul 2008 @ 1:34pm

Another person stuck with Verizon...
At first I was happy, because it was the first broadband available in my area. And I was happy for the first few months, since they didn't seem to have a bandwidth cap.

Until late June, when it just slowed down. At first they denied there was a cap, then said they'd raise it back up in a month. Then I called this month and was told about the 5 gig limit. 5 gigs? You can exceed that on dialup pretty easily, much less broadband.

$60 for a little more than dial up speed is really awful. You really can't do a lot on the internet anymore, no youtube, no streaming video, streaming audio is even iffy depending on the quality.
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Evan, 21 Dec 2008 @ 1:32pm

Was good then took a turn for the SUCK area!
My family had been using the Verizon Broadband Access with the unlimited plan. It is good for normal webpage browsing, but I do a lot of downloading and torrenting and I was getting speeds of 90-115k for downloading and around 50k for torrenting which is good for me since I live in the rural areas of the Midwest. Then one day, I started a download up and it wouldn't get any higher than 27k for downloads and torrents were around. I still had the same amount of signal I had before and everything else I do on the internet is the same, except for the download speed. I figure it's either Verizon sucks or something got changed some how on my computer, but I doubt that because the internet at my school and friends' houses work fine with my computer. So anyone have some suggestions?
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T, 29 Dec 2008 @ 12:25pm

What will they tell us next? the internets full? next we pay for air we breathe. To pay for a service and they not deliver on the other end is a shame, seems to be a bigger trend in the whole corporate world and economy. Its like " Please let me pay you monthly for "your" internet.... Everything advertizes movies on demand , tv shows , youtube...the internet is an ocean and we pay for a gateway ...not pay for a net we can only swom in.
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Tali, 29 Jan 2009 @ 4:25am

Always the last to get on board with new phones.
I used to be with Sprint when I lived in Alabama and the reception was terrible. So I switched to Verizon. The reception was so amazing. Now that I am back up North I am pleased with Verizon reception. But they are always the last company to get on board with a new phone. They turned down the iphone, they waited like two years to get the treo 755p and discontinued it early, and now they are not carrying the Palm Pre. Verizon has better reception, but Sprint has better phones.
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Steve Mattingly, 14 Apr 2009 @ 8:30am

Usage displayed is wrong
I have been hit again with over usage. Was told don't worry about it "you have unlimited" Just paid off the last bill. Watch the usage everyday and has stayed down at 2.0 gb till yesterday and it jumped to 6.0 gb. If I am right that 1099 mbs equals one gb , then I am at 2+ gb and that's all. Is there a class action or something I can get it touch with about this? Going to contact my Senators. Thanks,

Steve
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KathyDallas (profile), 29 Sep 2009 @ 2:47pm

Verizon's Phantom data charges
Same story here. We all got new phones, they came loaded with icons that made it look like a game or application was already on the phone. But, if you click the icon, it connects to Get it Now. If you disconnect as soon as you see that’s what it is doing, it doesn’t matter..you are still charged a minimum of $1.99 for “browsing”. Very deceptive, and the reply I got from customer service was totally unsatisfactory.

This whole, “hit the icon” (that VZN put there as IF the app is already on your phone) and then be charged for “browsing” is entrapment, and a deceitful business practice. If we all complain, maybe Verizon will get the message. Let your state’s attorney general and the FCC know about Verizon’s crummy business practices.
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DownWithVerizon, 27 Jan 2010 @ 5:57pm

Verizon's limit is ridiculously low
Verizon has a limit of 5GB for broadband Internet, compared to one of 250GB by Comcast (seriously! It's a huge difference), and Comcast actually charges less than Verizon for it. I work from home and depend heavily on Internet. I've been overcharged hundreds of dollars from Verizon, I wish I had switched earlier!
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CurtTampa, 7 Feb 2010 @ 7:00am

Re: Re: Software
Check out Motorola's Phone Tools. It talks to my phone just fine. Although I am a Verizon customer now, I bought the phone through Alltel.
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