Senate Approves Intelligence Reform And, With It, Telecom Amnesty
from the oversight-is-for-your-phone-calls dept
The Senate has just approved controversial legislation reforming the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, by a vote of 68–29. The bill, sponsored by Sens. Kit Bond (R-MO) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), empowers the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General to authorize warrantless surveillance of foreign parties whose communications pass through U.S. switches, even when they are communicating with Americans. It also grants retroactive amnesty to telecom firms alleged to have illegally provided the government with access to their customers' data without a court order -- a provision some Democrats tried and failed to have stripped from the legislation earlier today.Several other amendments that would have provided additional checks on surveillance also failed in the Senate, including language reasserting FISA's status as the "exclusive means" by which intelligence surveillance may be conducted, a provision barring indiscriminate "bulk collection" of telecom traffic, and a compromise measure that would have allowed civil suits against the telecoms to continue, but substituted the federal government as the defendant. The one victory for civil libertarians was the approval of an amendment offered by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) permitting the secret FISA court to review intelligence agencies' compliance with "minimization" rules meant to limit the retention of communications involving innocent Americans. Following a vote to invoke cloture, bringing debate on the bill to a halt and foreclosing any attempt to mount a filibuster, Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Chris Dodd (D-CT) and Russ Feingold (D-WI) delivered impassioned speeches condemning the legislation as an affront to both privacy and the rule of law.
The Senate bill must now be reconciled in conference with the House version, known as the RESTORE Act, which lacks the controversial immunity provision and provides for greater judicial oversight of surveillance. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is seeking to further extend the stopgap Protect America Act, which this reform bill is meant to supplant, in order to provide time to reach agreement between the two chambers.
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Funny, but a telecom company can sell their customer data and you don't mind, but give it to the government in an attempt to protect the nation and you whine and scream.
The way things shape up, I hope all of you go to this years democratic convention and protest. Maybe it will be just like 1968 and I can watch the Denver cops kick your ass on TV. I will buy popcorn for that.
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LOL!
Tad Devine was on Colbert on the 6th. Tad said something to the likes of "If you go to Denver, Bring A Few Cigars." You should have seen how Colbert's eyebrow slowly raised, but he tried hard to restrain himself.
Pure Classic.
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2. Yea, but that's because selling your information to a company won't end up with you in an undisclosed prison cell in Cuba.
3. Enjoyment out of watching police beat people? Alberto Gonzalez, ladies and gentlemen. Give the guy a hand (granted that hand is pointing towards a prison cell)
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Why should rank-and-file soldiers be tried for Abu Gahraib for following directions? "I was following orders" didn't work at Nuremburg and it doesn't work today.
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Considering that they have a majority in the senate, it's not like they couldn't have forced this bill from going through. Way to knuckle under, Democrats, you've disappointed me yet again.
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Contact your Senators
Contact your Senators and urge them to reconsider their position if they voted against stripping the immunity clause, or to try to build more support if they voted for stripping the immunity clause.
You can check the voting record here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-15
or
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI S/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015#top
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has a good summary here: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/faa-news-roundup
Sorry, too lazy to do html right now.
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GovTrack.us is currently having some down time. Either the website is undergoing maintenance, or the site was shut down because of an error or high load.
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Ha, I laugh at your petty post. I will also be laughing after the election after watching the dems. self destruct. Bet it pissed you off when Bill started bringing up race.
You just don't get it, do you Dems? You lost it in 1968 and you have never gotten it back. Maybe you really do need to grow up and learn how the real world operates.
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Outrageous
They deserve NO amnesty for breaking the law. NONE.
Not to mention the Senate approved version of the bill sucks majorly to begin with.
The House better win on every single front in this.
And if it isn't approved by the Pres, they should cancel the whole program since he obviously doesn't need it right?
Oh wait, the President called the Constitution just a goddamned piece of paper. We covered this before so I am not going to link yet again for that one, you can use Google if you doubt it.
I agree completely with Post #6. They hate flag burning yet will allow those we elect to piss on our constitution, just freaking great. Wtf.
Post #13, moe, thank you very much for the links, I will be calling my senators later anyways. Living in Michigan, one voted for and one against striking the immunity. But I will be calling them both to let them know how I feel.
Post #15, I opened up the link fine. *shrugs*
The Telcos deserve their punishment here.
And the government needs to stop abusing our constitutional rights. This administration NEEDS to go ASAP. Before they ruin us more.
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You can't have it both ways, if you want Sprint to give out information, you can't throw AT&T in jail for helping to stop terrorism.
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It was directly proven and shown that the car had been stolen with the baby inside and was a matter of the baby's health.
Monitoring people is just so the government can do it. It infringes on peoples rights, and they are doing it because they can, not because any person involved is a known terrorist.
Please try again if you wish to convince me.
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If a CIA/FBI/NSA agent comes to you and says your neighbor is a terrorist knowing you have a key to his house, would you let him in?
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IF WE HAD: CHIPS IN OUR ARMS, A NATIONAL I.D. CARD, AND CAMERAS ON EVERY STREET IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ON EVERY CORNER, AND UNMANNED DRONES FLYING HIGH ABOVE US AND WATCHING OUR EVERY MOVE = NO CRIME, WE COULD CATCH ALL THE CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS, AND THE WORLD WOULD BE FINALLY AT PEACE.
AND IF YOU AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG - WHAT DO Y O U HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT? I DON'T CARE IF THEY KNOW I'M GOING TO WORK AND OCCASIONALLY PICK MY NOSE.
DO IT FOR THE KIDS AND FOR SAFETY AND FOR F R E E D O M -
AND GET A LIFE. IT'S A SMALL PRICE TO PAY!!!!
ELECT HILLARY CLINTON!! IF YOU CARE ABOUT CHANGE. HECK, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T JUST DROP A-BOMBS ON ALL OTHER COUNTRIES. THEN WE WOULD HAVE PEACE HERE AND A GOVERNMENT THAT LOVES US AND TAKES CARE OF US.
RON PAUL CAN'T SAY THAT CAN HE !?!
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I have seen this several different ways, hence my saying psuedo, because I do not know which of the ways he specifically said it, but it still gets the point across:
Those who sacrifice liberty for security lose both and deserve neither.
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This was motto of the title page written by Ben Franklin (although he later said he didn't write it.)
So what does essential liberty mean? Calling records?
In terms of fighting terrorism, another quote comes to mind "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. "
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How would you feel about that?
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Once again, you are equating a KNOWN emergency to a "what if".
They monitor people just to monitor them. To keep tabs. It is in no way an known emergency.
If they had specific evidence that a terrorist was planning to attack the US, then they would have NO problem getting a warrant for the wiretapping.
So your analogy is a little flawed sir. Please try again.
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F the Man
BY CHARLEY REESE
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high
taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central
bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.
No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.
A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY ***!!!
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who stood up and criticized G.W. BUSH for creating deficits! Oh please!
The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it! The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.
Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow Democrats, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.
REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.
When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the Federal Government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .
There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to
regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics"
that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
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