If You're Going To Claim That WiFi Violates The ADA, Shouldn't You Need To Prove It Actually Hurts People?
from the just-saying... dept
Hot on the heels of yet another silly bogus WiFi health scare, Broadband Reports points us to a story of some folks in Santa Fe, New Mexico who aren't just worried about the health effects of WiFi, but are insisting that putting WiFi in public places is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Having once taken an entire college class on the ADA (admittedly many years ago), I'm having trouble recalling which section would apply. Given that double-blind studies and various tests have shown no evidence of WiFi having an impact on people, you would think that those worried about it would have the burden of proof in demonstrating a real health problem. And, given those double-blind studies, it should need to go beyond random people insisting that WiFi makes them feel ill.![Hide This Hide this](https://ii.techdirt.com/s/t/i/topclose.png)
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The AMA may be burdensome, but as a person in a wheelchair, I do appreciate that it is there to provide NECCESSARY improvements to facilitate wheelchair access to all buildings. And, the parking rox. :)
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Re: Banning Radiation.
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In fact, I shall take my last word on this subject from Dr Benjamin Goldacre, author of the above blog:
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The real problems start arising when one has realized that we've been using those bandwidths for ages before wifi was even thought of. Start with microwave ovens and work your way up through satellite and telephone-based technologies and you will find 2.4-5.8 GHz, and more, frequency use in much, much higher levels than wifi will ever provide so I call bullshit on this demonization of technology.
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Also why would these low power radio waves be more disturbing than the massive emanations from TV and radio stations that would completely saturate your field of vision if you could see them.
This makes about as much sense as someone outside in the desert sun complaining about the light coming off of a pocket flash light being too bright.
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Lots of air spectrum pollution...
I have no idea what that affect may be, but would be interested in long term studies.
Kevin Trudeau wrote about how such things are bad in his book. Kevin is an Infomercial King who is either highly enlightened or a crazy conspiracy theorist. He wrote "Natural Cures They Don't Want You to Know About".
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ADA
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Get Slimcat's WiFi Lotion!
Last I heard, a large part of the Santa Fe community was made up of wealthy, vocal, former Californians who probably had, at least, something to do with the ubiquitous 'In the state of California, (product/ingredient) is known to cause cancer'. Not saying that's 'bad', just saying.
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Here, let me paraphrase a bit of George Carlin to put this in perspective:
"Think about how dumb the average person is that you meet on the street and then realize that 50% of the population is even dumber than that".
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hrrrmmm
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the disabled folks aren't complaining about the ability to access the wi-fi, that's not the issue here. they are complaining that public wi-fi prevents them being able to access public places. but to me, that's the grey area -- it's a given that peanut-allergic people can't go into Thai restaurants, so can they bring an ADA case about this? That would effectively wipe out Thai food from being sold in public.
i'd tend to think of this electro-magnetic sensitivity to be in the same category with an allergy. and people with severe allergies are, by nature, going to have some lifestyle restrictions. i seriously don't think ADA was written with the intent that we do away with every possible source of irritation for every possible affliction. i'm sure the multiple chemical sensitivities folks would like to ban perfume, fabric softener and room freshener too. where do we stop?
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If this "illness" is ruled under the ADA it will have horrid effects because in accordance with Section 6.1.1 of the ADA "Hospitals - general purpose hospitals, psychiatric facilities, detoxification facilities - At least 10 percent of patient bedrooms and toilets, and all public use and common use areas are required to be designed and constructed to be accessible.". That will result in a minimum or 10% of the building not having access to the medical records at any instant. This would prevent all hospitals from ever going paperless. If they did and a patient who did not have this problem was put in to a room with out WiFi and needed emergent care they might not have upto date info and give a patient a double dose of a med or improper care putting the patients life at risk and leaving the facility doctors and staff in a liable situation.
Anyway the easiest way to test if the symptoms are valid is it get a large group of these people and drive them out to an area with no wifi signal cell service ect. Then have in the field several boxes about 200yards away. Some boxes will have a router running in it communicating with a laptop that is also in the box on a loop. Others will have just a light on in the box others will have nothing in them at all. Send the people out one by one starting with a different box none of the pertinents can communicate to another until the study has been completed. After all have finished and told what boxes have WiFi repeat with people that do not claim this problem. Then use statistical analysis to see if there is any major variance in the results to verify that it is real and not just guessing.
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Yeah, because wifi is the ONLY WAY to transmit data. Now that wireless networking is so ubiquitous, wires don't work any more. You all knew that, right?
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Spending millions on a network that could have had a larger span more access and easier to connect to for a small percentage of people calming they have this problem is a dumb business move. (3.4% of the population in the US, 4% in England, and 8% in Germany)
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Also its estimated that "5 percent of Americans have hypochondria" I wonder how many of those think WiFi makes them sick.
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Let's Waste More Resources
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Ban all Plants as I have allergies
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Yeesh
It does not guarantee my rights to an irritant free life, or to be protected from things that may or may not exacerbate my condition.
It promises and secures my access. Not my enjoyment, not my safety, nothing beyond my ability to go places and see things non-disabled people can do. It guarantees I have access. Period.
I have seizures. It it therefore my responsibility to stay clear of places that harbor known triggers, such as certain scents, strobe lights, certain volumes or frequencies of sound, the list goes on.
I hate people who abuse the law. It makes things harder for all of us in the long run, makes business owners wary of anyone with disabilities, makes it harder for the disabled to have the access they deserve.
People suck.
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The problem with Dr Godlacres stance is that the people affected will NOT *EVER* consider an alternate source of their problems. Not amount of studies, debunkings, tin hats will convince these 'victims' that something else might, just might, be causing their problems. They are not looking for the cause of their problem, they are looking for way to blame EM. There is a difference.
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Heck - even Evolution can be discounted - as we clearly see - for the most part, humans don't seem to get smarter over time, lol
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give me a break
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You will have much larger problems than getting physically ill if you take away my coffee. Much Larger. I'll send my hunter-seekers after you!
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Stupid people make me sick...
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Turning off all radaition.
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Effective Title in ADA
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I'm for a 'reasonable accomidation' but not at the expense of others' rights. Unfortunately, many liberal judges have taken interpreted the language of 504 and Title III to mean much more than it is.
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Ignorance kills!
People thought smoking was good for you at one point. Then how long did it take to prove of its harm? All im ssaying is what is the point of taking the risk?
This is called ignorance. Please tell me the inner workings of a wi-fi system and the inner workings of the human brain, then you may have some credibility to your argument!
indigoed.com
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WHY FI
that tests things like tesla arrays and ultra-low frequency sub radar(that can penetrate the earth and cause earthquakes in china)...oops...I've said too much already. Yep, we got reactor powered Wi-Fi over there too. With so much power at our fingertips, it's kinda hard to control it...Directional...Hell it goes everywhere.I would'nt stand over there.
P.S.:Would'nt want to loose track of where the kids are.
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