Craigslist Forced To Cough Up Name Of Oscars Ticket Seller To The Movie Industry
from the but-why? dept
Apparently, the Motion Picture Academy, the folks who put on the Oscars (also known as "The Academy Awards"), say that the tickets to that event are non-transferable. That's fine. It's their event, they can set up whatever rules they want. However, where it gets strange, is that they are now suing a bunch of folks who tried to sell their tickets online, and even got a judge to force Craigslist to reveal the name of a seller in order to sue him.So, here's my confusion: if the tickets are non-transferable, why not just check IDs at the door and not let those who were not given tickets?
As for forcing Craigslist to reveal the name of the seller, why is that allowed? The Academy can have whatever rules it wants in terms of letting in or not letting in people, but what law was broken by the seller, and what makes it so that Craigslist should be forced to give up the name of an anonymous seller? All the Academy had to do was not let the person in the door, but apparently it chose not to run things that way. But that's the Academy's choice, not a legal issue the requires revealing the name of an anonymous seller.
Furthermore, the Academy's explanation for this also seems ridiculous: "If you don't know who's inside the theater, it's very difficult to provide security." Really? Most places that provide security don't know the names of everyone who's there and they seem to do just fine. And, again, if knowing who's in there is such a big deal, then why not identify them as they enter, and verify that they're supposed to be there? None of that would then involve lawsuits. But, then again, this is the movie industry, which has shown a penchant for lawsuits over actually thinking things through and taking the easier path.
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Yeah, because like ebay is soooo ethical ....
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They hold their stock holders interests, so that is ethical.
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this is so high school
this is so high school
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No. But the judge can't refuse to believe evidence submitted by the party that did show up if there is no one on the other side to contest it, and won't generally go out of his way to find a legal argument for the other side. This is a case where the Academy says it won't hurt Craigslist to turn over the info, and without anyone to say otherwise, the court would have to accept that.
And the fact that Craigslist didn't show up probably means Craigslist didn't think it had a viable defense either.
But I have seen people lose cases where the other side didn't show up, simply because the party that did show up had no case. These were small claims court; lawyers wouldn't let a case like that get to trial.
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There doesn't have to be a law broken
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This is totally ridiculous. I can't think of any reason why Craigslist should be compelled to reveal the person, if it even knows who it is.
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Mike.... ?
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This is a non-lawsuit
Doesn't non-transferrable mean that no one else can USE it?
Is it illegal for someone to POSSESS it??
Even if they never go.....
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Craigslist & Academy awards
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What's the big deal?
This is a non-story. Craigslist provides a service and doesn't have a legal department. Are the Academy Awards over-reacting? Yeah, likely, but Craigslist isn't doing anything wrong here.
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Just shows whom has all the money$$$$
i think there may have been some gross confusion on this case, which shall more than likely appear in an upcoming show made for television. the film industry's little sibling.
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Craigslist dumbed-out on this one...
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Um, here's my confusion...
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Edwards "confusion"
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Where are they going to keep their ID?
It seems like this would be an ideal situation for face recognition software. They should probably use a concealed camera for this because most of those attending would stop to pose for any camera they saw and there would be a huge bottleneck.
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do this...
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I don't blame them...
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I don't get it!?
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Firstly, the Motion Pictures Association will need the IP address posted. From there, they would know which ISP to go and subpoena for their customer's info and voila... unless the person who posted on Craigslist used an anonymizer service where the IP address is then "covered" up - that again is just a hurdle unless the anonymizer service is based out of say, Russia where their government tend not to cooperate with the US government...
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I don't get it!? by Rjupiter on Jul 27th, 2008 @ 3:25am
I have sold stuff on CL and to my recollection they do not have nor require my name or information when I post stuff there, only an email address. So what exactly is CL or how is CL handing anything over to anyone?
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to tnjeff
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Jailhouse lawyers
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Unfortunate...
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Motion Picture Association of America is a different animal. They are a collection of companies. They provide ratings and have declared themselves watchdog over the member companies' rights under copyright law.
Two different things entirely.
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Craigslist wasn't exactly forced
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Is he for real???
I'm sorry, but on this one I am 100% behind the Academy. I think the general public has become ridiculous with their desire to be allowed everywhere by whatever means they think they can use! Yes, these people are celebrities, but they're also people who would like a couple of hours when Ma & Pa Kettle aren't slobbering all over them like they're K-Mart's blue plate special!
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No. I'm not kidding.
His opening sentence was how the Academy says the tickets are non-transferable.
Just because you say something is so doesn't make it so.
He just answered his own stupid question! & his lame comment about the security...Is he so young that he doesn't remember the streaker while (I think it was) Peter O'Toole was on stage??? In today's in-your-face society, I think security is even more important at these type of events.
Again, you have not explained why knowing someone's name ahead of time makes security any better. How is this different than any other event (movie, sporting event, concert, etc.) where security doesn't know everyone's name?
And, if knowing everyone's name is so important, what's wrong with just checking IDs at the door, as explained.
You seem to have missed the point entirely.
I'm sorry, but on this one I am 100% behind the Academy. I think the general public has become ridiculous with their desire to be allowed everywhere by whatever means they think they can use!
Again, we said nothing about letting people go wherever they want. We just asked why the MPA is suing over their own security faults. If they don't want people in to the event that they don't know, that's FINE. I even said that. But to sue over someone selling the tickets is the wrong response. Just check IDs at the door.
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Craigslist Forced To Reveal Seller's Name
best regards, ric
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Some sarcasm to lighten the mood
Of course security needs to be extra tight during the Academy Awards show, because, as we all know, the show is the #1 target for terrorists. Imagine what would happen if someone blew up the auditorium. What would we do without powerful people such as Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise, and others. Our society would be ruined without all those great actors and actresses! It would be the end of movies as we know it! Just think- no more "Dave" or "Space Chimps" or "Baby Geniuses" to entertain us.
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Eric Carlson pedofied me behind prison walls and then framed me as a pedophile on march 26th 2007, I caught the crime on a audio recorder I put in Joan's purse.
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