10,000 In-Flight Cell Calls In Europe: No Crashes, No Terrorist Attacks
from the amazing dept
A company that provides in-flight mobile phone service to some European airlines says it has logged 10,000 calls since its launch in December 2007. Those calls have passed without incident -- they don't seem to have interfered with ground networks, they haven't led to any terrorist attacks, they haven't messed with planes' electronics and caused any crashes. That pretty much covers the technical or safety reasons given for bans on in-flight calls in countries like the US, really leaving only the annoyance factor as justification for a ban. Surely, though, if safety isn't the issue, the choice should be left up to individual airlines: if calls really are so annoying that they become a problem, airlines can ban them on their own. If an individual flyer feels so bothered by the calls, they can choose to fly only on those airlines that don't allow them.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Cell towers were built with the idea of a user going max ~60 MPH and being on the ground where 3-5 towers would see a given user. When in flight cell phones connect to all towers with in line of sight (could be upwords of 20 towers) A single phone doing this is not a big deal, it causes a blip on the network that a user is connected to 20 towers and moving at 300 MPH (or more) and as such handshaking will be happening non stop as the phone keeps connecting to the best tower he can see.
nothing here has said that cell phone company network engneers have adjusted there backbone, or built handsets that minimize the two main effects that a large number of phones in the air would cause.
There is more to the ban of cell phones then simple (O noos it will crash a plane) 300 planes of phones not built for use in flight will degrade the network at least right now.
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Most cars can go faster than that. So why isn't there a federal ban on using cell phones in cars?
Answer: You don't know what you're talking about.
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Good enough!
Good enough reason for me. It's bad enough we have to listen to people shout into their phones in the waiting area. Three hours trapped next to some yammering halfwit is too much to ponder.
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Silly rabbit!
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Ugh
Maybe next they can distribute cyanide capsules along with the "complimentary" peanuts and 1/3 of a can of Sprite.
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Annoyance
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That said, I too don't want to listen people around me yelling over the noise of the plane for several hours. Letting the market decide is unlikely to give us passengers an option as the airlines will go for the path that generates the greatest revenue. They've already proven (at least most carriers have) that they don't care about the passenger's experience.
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of course safety has nothing to do with it
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Americans Are Dumb
So they let the system invoke fear and let it tell them what they can and can't do.
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FAA vs FCC
One is that the pilot has the determination of "portable electronic equipment" that may be used on the aircraft.
The second is the pesky $25000 fine for using a cell phone in the air.
This is an FCC penalty. So there are multiple agencies involved.
The whole "interferes with navigation" thing is a red herring thrown at the populace to get them to obey. The $25000 fine ought to be enough. It HAS been levied before.
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No Idea
Oh an don't try it because they will know which handsets are doing hand offs at 600mph, expensive call.....
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Has this ever actually happened, or are cellphone providers merely worried that it could happen? Not that I can blame them for being unwilling to test the theory, but some empirical data would be nice.
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My phone is always on when I fly, though I do not make calls, so it should be constantly searching for and connecting to new towers. I've never had any trouble.
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Sit, Ubu, sit.
Fly airliner A which charges nothing for a window seat, extra carry ons, etc. and allows phone service.
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Fly ariliner B which charges you for everything and no phone service.
Neither have the same destination.
Yep. Customers sure do have many choices.
Carlo, you do understand the issues in the airline industry, right?
Do you really think lifting the cell phone ban is this important?
Given how cell phone users become the dumbest people on earth, let's leave the ban where it's at. If one can't wait a few damn hours without gabbing into a device, then let them take the damn bus.
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People in the US need reasons to enact laws. Causing a plane crash would be a good reason (if it were true), annoying your ass is not. If we start banning things just because they are annoying, than cell phones would be gone everywhere, cars would be gone, pets, computers, cites, people...
I demand a good reasons for my bans.
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I'm sorry, I should have elaborated a bit more on this annoyance. Let me explain:
Walking - for some reason, this simple act of putting one foot in front of the other can't be done by people on cell phones. This is when you are trying to make your flight, which leaves in 5 minutes. Walk around them? Sure, just make sure you apologize to the little girl you knocked down in trying to get around this idiot.
Reading - another simple skill lost by cell phone users, especially while standing under the big sign giving them all the information they need.
Decision making - while talking on the phone, a person can't seem to focus on what to order while standing at the register. This is accompanied by a "please hold" hand gesture to the employee, while the others behind this idiot must wait until such decision making is completed, usually after the phone call has ended.
The ability to juggle - a lost art, apparently, when the cell phone is more important than the 20+ lb luggage they're trying to move with one hand, and look dumbfounded at you when they lose their grip while the luggage sits on your foot or in your lap.
Failure to notice anyone else around them - this is very significant, because that same 20+ lb luggage seems to get one in the shin. Every damn time.
And Chronno, this is before these idiots even get on the plane. How annoyed would you be having to stand in an aisle when someone's phone call is more important than it is to place baggage in the overhead compartment?
All this in addition to the already stressing factors involved in traveling to begin with.
I'm so glad you're tolerant, but some of us get tired of being held up by inconsiderate people because their conversation about a friend's vagina is more important.
So, with that, I'll restructure my "ban" to say: ban them while boarding and disembarking the aircraft.
Better?
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Once again, you cannot ban something just because it's annoying. I find the children down the street yelling at 9:00pm really annoying. They yell so loud that I have problems hearing the TV, and I live 2 blocks away. Am I going to push for a ban on children? Yelling? Hell no. It's annoying as fuck but they have every right to do it. There is no noise ordinance in this city.
If this was a safety issue I'd be all over this like white on rice, but I'm not going to ban something just because 1 out of 100 people can't do it while walking. And if we do we need to ban you for not looking where you're going and knocking over that little girl that you should have seen. I find that much more annoying then someone talking.
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Who says?
There is no noise ordinance in this city.
There is mine, thus disproving your previous statement.
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Hardly definitive, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft
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Re: Hardly definitive, but...
Umm, not really. People who claim so usually base their argument on a claim that it hasn't been absolutely proven that a risk doesn't exist, but it is very difficult to prove that something doesn't exist. For example, it has not been proven that unicorns do not exist, so some would claim that "There appear to be unicorns, depending on your point of view".
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Smoking
They should lift the smoking ban too. If an individual flier feels so bothered by smoking, they can choose to fly only on those airlines that don't allow it.
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Cellphones adjust their output power
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