Maryland Ramps Up Traffic Cameras... But For Safety Or Revenue?
from the gotta-be-the-revenue dept
While other states are banning traffic cameras after realizing that they're entirely about revenue, and tend to be less efficient as a way of improving safety, it looks like Maryland is going in the other direction. Tim DiPaula points out that Maryland is planning to increase the use of both speed and traffic light cameras, using the overall "better safety!" claim to get it approved. Of course, the fact that some towns in Maryland that already have such cameras brought in more money from them than the entire town budget seems to also be an important factor.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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1. Lights 2. Cameras 3. ??? 4. Profit!!!
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limited installation options
I DO feel that they are quite good at reducing speed in front of schools, where such has been an issue for years.
BUT Maryland has also used them for reducing speed on major roads where they have bike paths cross the road, classifying those crossings as "parks", allowing the use of the speed cameras.
Yes, this does reduce speed on those roads, but ONLY in the block where the camera is installed. After people pass the camera, speed goes back up, so a roadblock is created, sometimes creating a block long traffic jam just before you get to the camera!
Most people hate them, pictures have been taken of people hanging their butts out of the window, and even cops have been photographed giving the cameras the bird!
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Maryland wants to get rich off of us only
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How about people follow the rules?
The cops down here when people coplain about speeding tickets pretty much say slow down. Though to their credit I've never seen speed cameras in stupid places like 20m before a change in the speed limit.
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Re: How about people follow the rules?
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Not used to TD posts at 2:30am posts
As such, discussing Maryland cameras are of little interest. Heh. But, yay for safety.
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Maybe I'm crazy
Of course, it seems that Maryland found a way around that. If they take the cameras to the state level rather than the city/town level, it's a lot harder to avoid them altogether.
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Re: Maybe I'm crazy
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It's probably revenue based
Unless Maryland came into Buku Bucks, and can state it's part of a larger, ITS infrastructure implementation, it's difficult to see how it's existence would not be purely revenue in scope-- as there would need to be some sort of return on investment.
But I have doubts Maryland is looking at ITS.
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Shouldn't the answer be to have more speed cameras, so everyone who acts anti-socially pays the same price, rather than having less and only charging some people?
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Love 'em
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The fact that they are writing so many tickets proves the cameras don't work and all they do is make it easier for the state or town to make money. The ironic thing is they actually want you to run the light so they can make money, which means they don't give a crap about safety at all.
And yes there are a lot of studies that show these things cause more accents from people slamming on their breaks then they prevent. I've put the link up several times and I'll go find it again if asked.
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Re: If these really worked
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Let the scofflaws squeal
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This Marylander doesn't really mind
When it comes to revenue, I still don't see it as a problem. Really, what is the difference between this and a cigarette tax? Maybe we should call it what it is, a speeding tax, for those who chose to speed. If you think that citations for revenue purposes are something new, they are not, back in the day (early 80's) my mother worked for a small town in West Virginia which often had to forfeit citation revenue to the state because it exceeded a certain percentage (50% I think) of all town revenue.
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More cameras
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Deus Ex
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speeding in MD
Yes, speed kills, but what it is that kills is the DIFFERENCE in speed between someone going faster and the idiot that insists on driving slow regardless of conditions or traffic. Obstacles, whether rolling ones such as slow drivers, or stationary ones such as speed bumps or speed cameras, disrupt the flow of traffic and increase the chances of accidents as drivers attempt to avoid those obstacles or drive around them.
I once saw a driver on a Houston Tx freeway get pulled over for driving TOO SLOW! I smiled for a week.
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Drivers in MD
NY drivers are very aggressive but at least when they decide to make a move, they do it.
MD drivers are passive. For example, when using a ramp to get on the highway, they slow down instead of speeding up to match traffic speed. (I have almost been the victim of such stupidity many times)
Another thing that MD drivers do is they never use their blinkers. What's even worse, ppl in MD pass on the right, instead of the left. I don't know why but it's what they do.
so to have these cameras, I feel like the "safety" is misplaced. I think the safety begins with the driving schools/tests.
But, I guess my real question is this: If I am driving on a popular road, with plenty of cars, over the speed limit, will we all get a fine? and do we "have" to pay them?
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Re: Drivers in MD
We do this because MD and VA drivers have a bad habit of cruising in the left lane, known as "the passing lane" in other states. That only excuses some of them, though...
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So, slowing down in school zones is a bad thing?
With that being said, I am all for the speed cams, even along my commute. Sure, people do speed up again after they pass the camera zone, but the do slow down and it takes a while to get up to an unreasonable speed. I see it as more of a "sin tax" than anything overbearing. You speed, you break the law, you get caught, pay the fine (with no points against your license) and move on. The county gets revenue, and people finally have to slow down in school zones.
What is the problem with that?
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Re: So, slowing down in school zones is a bad thing?
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How we got rid of them.
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Safety
If law-enforcement actually cared about safety rather than making money off the letter of the law, then we would have more enforcement of the actual causes of traffic problems - cruisers in left lanes, grandma driving 20 mph in a 45mph zone, lane-changing without signals, and similar stuff. The real issue is that speeding tickets are profitable. How are you gonna make money off of grandma driving 20 in a 45 mph zone (reckless driving?!?)? Unless there's a minimum speed limit posted, there's not really a good way to give grandma a ticket...you can only pull her over and tell her that she's being a hazard. Suddenly, you've wasted that valuable time where you could have been working towards your monthly quota of ticket revenue.
While slightly extreme, the point is that the whole situation is about money, not my safety or the safety of my fellow drivers...in fact, cops are just as dangerous of drivers as the rest of the crowd...
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Punked
Also, the traffic lights in this town are set to halt traffic as often as possible. The city says it's looking into computerizing the lights to promote traffic flow, but since the existing system is fully capable of synchronizing (as evidenced after a black-out) that's just hand waving. I'd bet the insurance companies have a hand in it too, since the increase in premiums exceed the revenue from tickets.
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Also, the traffic lights in this town are set to halt traffic as often as possible. The city says it's looking into computerizing the lights to promote traffic flow, but since the existing system is fully capable of synchronizing (as evidenced after a black-out) that's just hand waving. I'd bet the insurance companies have a hand in it too, since the increase in premiums exceed the revenue from tickets.
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According to the PSAs advertised on the radio in the metro DC area, if you hit a person at above 35 mph, they're almost guaranteed to suffer catastrophic injury or die. But in some areas, the speed limit is 30, and you can't even do 20 because of the amount of jay-walking that goes on (K street and by GWU are particularly awful).
And I recall some towns getting ripped after that last round of federal yellow light timing investigations a few weeks ago. Many of them found that once they put their yellow light durations up to the federal minimum, the revenues dropped so significantly that they couldn't even pay licensing fees for these cameras. Most people don't realize that the companies who manufacture the cameras typically don't sell them -- they do a rental + maintenance plan, and they charge the city/town thousands of dollars per month per camera.
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Speed Camera Studies Abound...
Some of these studies may be duplicates, though I tried to avoid that (and I avoided anything that appeared to be associated with IIHSA - I think)...
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7487/331
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstr act/97/9/1632
http://tti.tamu.edu/documents/TTI-2006-4.pdf
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? abstract_id=995020
There were other studies that cost to purchase that provided a brief conclusion that speed cameras seemed to reduce speeding, fatalities and accidents. I did not include those because I was unwilling to purchase the studies and because I thought it was unfair to include a conclusion without the analysis to back it up.
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I'll post this again...
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Additionally, speed cameras change the rules of the road. For as long as I have been driving speeding has been acceptable as long as it was within limits. I cannot even count how many times I have driven past a police officer while going well over the limit and he/she did nothing because I was following the flow of traffic. Instead the officer looks for those passing others and weaving between lanes. They use their judgement to spot dangerous drivers. Cameras have no such judgement.
If we really want to switch to a no-exceptions policy on speeding better technology exists. Every new car can be equiped with GPS tracking that issues a ticket when the speed limit is exceeded, of course our highways would become parking lots.
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red light and speed cameras
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