Apple's Rejection Of EFF RSS Reader App Sort Of Proves EFF's Point About Arbitrary App Rejections
from the thanks-for-making-it-easy dept
It's pretty clear that Apple's policies covering what iPhone applications are acceptable for its App Store are pretty absurd and arbitrary. The company has repeatedly blocked applications that could allow users to access content Apple deems "objectionable" -- like an e-book reader that can display the Kama Sutra, among thousands of other books -- when that same content is accessible through the iPhone's built-in web browser or other applications. This rejection process led the Electronic Frontier Foundation to ask the Copyright Office to grant a DMCA exemption covering the jailbreaking of iPhones, so they could be used with any app the user wanted instead of just Apple-approved ones, as well as other phone unlocking techniques. Apple, of course, responded by saying that jailbreaking was copyright infringment.The company may have now unwittingly given a little more juice to the EFF's claims that the approval process is arbitrary, censorial and anti-competitive, though, by rejecting an application that displays the EFF's RSS feed. Not because they dislike the EFF (ostensibly), but because it contained "objectionable content" in the form of a blog post that linked to a YouTube video containing the f-word in a subtitle. Once again, this content is available elsewhere on the iPhone, namely via the web browser and YouTube app pre-installed on the device, reinforcing the asinine nature of the rejection. Whether this will help the EFF's case with the Copyright Office -- or help change Apple's policy -- remains to be seen. But for now, it still looks like Apple's app rejection process is a digital equivalent of a "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign.
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Ah
I never had much use for Apple, and now I see how I was right all along.
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aka Jailbreaking.
Which they say is copyright infringement.
See the problem now?
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It would be very easy to link the two facts of: "Jailbreaking is a DMCA circumvention violation and vague, unpublished rejection guidelines which allow for rejection of apps that are similar to already approved apps" into a legal argument for illegal tying and anti-competative business practices.
As you may recall, MS was found guilty of something similar in binding IE to the OS and brokering deals with companies/developers to exclude certain apps from pre installtion.
Sounds somewhat similar to me.
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No, that's not what anyone is suggesting at all. This is about the OPPOSITE of that. It's about taking an unnecessary government regulation AWAY. That is, reducing the scope of the DMCA to allow you to do what you want with a product you purchased.
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The truth..?
He probably even sings along with this song... Made a video mashup, who knows. Poor guy.
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biggest mistaske of all is buying an iphone - old news
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Re: biggest mistaske of all is buying an iphone - old news
Of course, it never *will* get perfect, because that would require, IMHO, the software to all be open source, and Apple will never do that.
My gf has a Storm, a few of my friends have G1s, guys at work all have the BB Curve.. and I wow them with what the iPhone can do.
I normally agree with you with Apple and their gear, but in this case, you've let your bias against Apple blind you to an very nice device.
/off-topic
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You wow them?
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I can also control my computers at home through it, start and stop downloads, reboot machines, change router settings.
I have wifi.
I can watch youtube and get an incoming call and *not* miss it due to 30 seconds of lag. (My gf's biggest complaint, by far.)
I can stream music and video to my iphone through the cell network. I can tether my phone without paying $20/month to do so. (or whatever it costs)
I stand by my statement, a jailbroken iphone is amazing, and hands down better than any phone yet. (The pre does seem cool, though.)
Still, don't get me wrong, I was hoping that the G1 would be google's gift to nerds.. then it was locked down. Very disappointing.
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Dear Idiots
Just because you CAN do something DOESNT MEAN IT MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE TO DO SO!!!!
The complaint, then, to make it even simpler for you simpletons, is that if you want to SELL something, you have to give people something THEY WANT, not what YOU (you=company) wants. Yes, they dont have to....Yes I dont have to....And where would that leave us? No one would buy what they offer. Wow! GREAT IDEA!! (hint: no its not).
Can you PLEASE get this idea through your tiny pea-brains? Please? It would make life so much easier for the rest of us.
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That would explain why Apple hasn't sold any iPhones. /sarcasm
Are you suggesting that what you want is what everyone wants? Obviously, a large number of people are happy with the iPhone so what incentive does Apple have to do away with the App Store? Is their approval process nonsensical? Yes. Does that show that Apple made a mistake by locking applications? No.
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I agree, sandwiches are delicious.
Oh, while you are eating, check out the iPhone. I got one after having a ton of other phones and PDAs that just didn't do everything I wanted. This thing is great and works seamlessly with my desktop computer. I bought it because I sampled one and really loved how it worked, so in keeping with the notions of capitalism that this great country runs on I paid for it and will buy new ones as they come out. I will also buy apps from them because they have things I like and I want them to have more.
Enjoy your sandwich!
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Toasters - Would you buy them if they had the same restrictions?
The toaster was useless, I returned it to Costco for a full refund and bought a used old school at the yard sale down the street for five bucks.
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Seems I OVERestimated the intelligence...
Wow. Just....wow. You REALLY think my rant was about equating what *I* want (as an individual) with what I THINK EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD WANT??
And kudos for COMPLETELY missing the point even when I put it DIRECTLY in the message. Once again, for the reading-comprehension-challenged crowd:
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN RESTRICT CUSTOMER CHOICE DOESNT MEAN ITS A GOOD IDEA TO DO SO!!
Christ, I weep for the future...
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Stupid, stupid, stupid
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Re: Stupid, stupid, stupid
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Apple is always right
Wake up guys, apple is producing a good OS and good hardware but they don't care about customers and software developers. They are dictators and worse than M$ (glad there are not as powerful yet).
You don't have to buy an iPhone? Right, you don't have to but you bought one and thought you actually can put ANY application on that is stable, but you can't.
You subscribed and payed quite a bit of money to apple to open a developer account so that you actually can distribute your small and really special RSS Reader and apple rejects it because there is an f-word in one feed?
People don't have to install the Reader and they don't have to read the feed so why restricted them?
I can understand it when it comes to porn and that stuff but here?
And the application has to FILTER such words? Hmm, i may should try to forbid Safari and co. because THEY don't filter a single word.
Do you guys actually start thinking at some point?
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They don't have to offer service to anyone. What people are saying is that they shouldn't be able to use regulations to *restrict* what people who legally purchased the phones can do with them.
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Screw Apple and the horse they rode in on
Sony doesn't get to say which cable or satellite companies you can sign up with or what dvds you can watch. Ford doesn't get to say you can't buy your gas from Exxon or that you can't change the stereo or that you can't give a ride to Aunt Mabel because she said the F-word once in 1953.
Hell, even Microsoft can't tell you what you can or cannot install on your computer without getting sued and fined from her to the next century.
So what gives Apple the right to claim copyright infringement if you exercise your own right to use the iPhone for whatever the hell you want? It's a stupid double standard that makes no sense whatsoever.
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While Apple has some really nice hardware and OS, I would never buy their products simply because I refuse to be treated like a child or "protected for my own good".
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Well..
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DMCA...
Only in a corporate wet-dream come true would a consumer be charged with a crime for trying to load, wait, ready for it, an application that they didn't approve.
Man, I'm the biggest control freak in the world and that concept is nuts. So far out there that I can't even imagine saying it with a straight face.
They only reason they've gotten away with it, is that for the market, most folks don't care about the applications that get denied so it hasn't affected them yet. However, for us that worry about the slippery slope, you can understand why this doesn't set well.
Think of it this way:
What if you can only put Ford parts in your Ford Car? Sorry, every Ford item has a chip in it that uses encryption to communicate with the car and if you buy anything other than a Ford part you have violated the DMCA/broke the law. No parts stores will carry these illegal (non-Ford) parts as they'll probably be held liable for them.
Are you really okay with other companies starting to use this model? What if you can only get programs from Microsoft from their App Store? What if you are Intuit and don't want to give Microsoft 30% of each sale? Sorry, no more bit-torrent app for you - I'm sure that wouldn't be approved. What if Apple started only allowing you to get programs for your Mac for an app store, would that be ok?
If you love the iPhone, great, but realize that you are helping to support a business model that will ultimately cost you more than you can imagine. In the smart words of my grandfather, sometimes we are better off to sacrifice our near term needs for a better future. Do you really need the iPhone so much that you'd rather have a world were the corporations control ever product you own?
Freedom
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And you are smarter then they are?
*giggles uncontrollably*
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This phone runs Windows Mobile 6.1. I connect to my Windows XP, Win Vista, and now Win7RC computers without fail, can browse the net using the free Skyfire and watch YouTube or any other Flash site easily, run all sorts of apps. For some reason many of my friends using iPhones have to borrow my phone when I'm out with them because their's doesn't work or the battery is dead/dying. Funny how that happens.
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What does DRM and the DMCA have to do with this?
"The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as Digital Rights Management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works."
What form of DRM are you breaking with a jailbreak? DRM is meant to protect content from access, i.e. music and movies. What content is being protected here by a DRM claim?
DMCA is meant to protect DRM by criminalizing the breaking of DRM.
Access to what copyrighted works is really being protected here? Not the phone itself. You can't copyright hardware, or a hand held computer in this case.
So, again, what does DRM and the DMCA have to do with this?
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Re: What does DRM and the DMCA have to do with this?
The DMCA was an incredibly poorly thought out piece of legislation. Also I seem to recall that many many of the voting legislators noted that they had not had the time (but I suspect more likely no inclination) to even read the full text of the DMCA.
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iPhone Issues
I've had updates multiple apps sit for weeks, unapproved when all that changed was a typo. It's been approved for months... but somehow, fixing that typo sends it to the disappearing list of apps.
Other times, I've had them reject an app by saying it didn't add functionality... and yet, we have Baby Shaker and "Oops, I crapped my pants" apps.
I think the real problem is, there are no real guidelines, no real review process and no real review procedures. I suspect it's done on a "feel good" basis. If the app doesn't make the SINGLE reviewer "feel good" about it... then it doesn't get approved.
When they got trashed for the Baby Shaker app, I think they went back and told their people "You need to REALLY feel good about it, and make sure you think it will make other people FEEL good too."
Sad... but probably true.
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Yep
Yes I am. And it's just as delicious as the kool-aid you seem to be addicted to.
Blind, unreasoning obedience is a frightening thing to see in action.
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The only blind, unreasoning obedience I see is yours.
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Completely 100% contradictory statement #2
The only blind, unreasoning obedience I see is yours."
Pot, meet kettle.
This from the guy staunchly defending Apple in all that it does, without allowing for even the slightest criticism of its practices and whether or not they might be right, smart, or good to do.
We CAN, therefore we SHOULD! Might makes right! It's ours and you will take what WE GIVE YOU! The consumer is there to GIVE US MONEY, not dictate what they want!
Apple: Leading Blind Sheep since 1984....
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