Class Action Lawsuit Filed Over Bogus Laptop Battery Length Claims
from the it-lasts-how-long? dept
Has anyone ever actually bought a laptop where the battery length claims were anything close to what you actually got? I know I haven't. I tend to read online reviews from various testers to get a better sense of how long a battery can really last, but apparently some are so annoyed by the bogus claims from PC makers that they've filed a class action lawsuit. I'm all for things that would encourage computer makers to be more honest, though these sorts of class action lawsuits always seem a little silly. Are people really significantly "harmed" if the battery life doesn't live up to expectations? These cases usually seem more like opportunities for a few lawyers to get a bunch of money out of companies. The real issue should be that the FTC should have investigated the false claims from laptop makers.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Expectations
Consider battery runtime is reduced by approx. 45mins by just running an AV software suite.
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Re: Expectations
But also, they rate their battery life with every power setting set to the minimum. So the screen goes blank after 10 seconds, the screen runs dim, the processor runs at slowest speed, and all the port shut down when not in use, the computer goes to sleep mode in 5 minutes, and the hard drive spins down, etc.
My converstations with Intel engineers told me that the screen is the #1 power draw. Shut that down for most of the "Battery test" and you'll get much better results.
So, no surprise that they test these things in the most favorable way.
But what bothers me is that - to seem honest - they actually ship you this stuff configured the way they tested it, NOT the way most customers would prefer it. Have you ever bought a mobile phone, and while you're playing with your new phone, the screen goes dark every 10 seconds? First thing you have to configure is a reasonable backlight setting.
And for laptops, make sure you adjust the processor speed when on battery power. The default is a low-power processor speed, which is not the reason we buy powerful PCs!
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And for laptops, make sure you adjust the processor speed when on battery power. The default is a low-power processor speed, which is not the reason we buy powerful PCs!"
I dunno...the default settings aren't scaled back _enough_ for me. First thing I did was lower the screen brightness all the way (and wish it went lower) and change the energy saving setting from scaling both cores to 800MHz to scaling one core to 600MHz and shutting the other down entirely.
If you're the kind of person that wakes up half the passengers on a plane/train/bus with your ultra-bright laptop screen while playing WoW on your cell network card, then yea, you're gonna have poor battery life. Duh. But I've found that the manufacturers tend to do a pretty good job at estimating battery life with reasonable usage. People just aren't reasonable. They want it at full brightness even if they're in a pitch-black room.
Oh, and if you want power, don't buy a laptop! No matter what you get, it's primary purpose is to be _portable_, not _powerful_. I did not buy a powerful laptop because I always need that much power. It's nice sometimes, but usually I would be fine with this old 667MHz Celeron box I've got sitting here. Most of the time I'm not plugged in I'm either reading websites or writing websites. If it can run notepad and firefox, I'm good. I bought my laptop because it was portable. That's _the only_ reason I have a laptop.
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I have...Panasonic Toughbooks
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Need more disclosure
The Lenovo, Dell, and eeePC I've purchased have lived up to their battery promises, but only under light usage.
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Re: Need more disclosure
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Since consumers are becoming lazier and lazier by nature it's no wonder they sue for their own lack of research.
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It all depends on the tests.
I remember a class room that tested the number chocolate chips in a cookie and found their count was always lower than the packaging indicated. The company quickly responded and had cookie techs come to the school and really go over how they do the testing. The school got lots of cookies and very good science lesson on testing methodologies.
Although I am sure they tested my old laptop by the time it took to die when you loaded to the BIOS screen (no hard drive or CD drive installed).
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Truth in Advertising
Computer and component manufacturers have stretched the truth as far as they can every time they can. It took a class action suit to make monitor manufacturers tell the truth about their usable size (called viewable area).
I'm glad people hold manufacturers' feet to the fire when they use misleading advertising and labeling. It doesn't stop them from using other deceptive practices but at least it might stop this one.
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Sue away
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Re: Sue away
This is holding a company to its advertised claim. Hopefully car MPG ratings are next.
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In addition, fuel economy ratings are generally much closer to reality than laptop battery times. They're off by maybe 10%, where laptop battery claims may be off by 50%. The standard batter for my Dell is rated for 2.5 hrs. It lasted about 70 minutes when the battery was new and I was doing nothing but word processing.
As for EPA ratings, I have pretty conservative driving habits (brake and accelerate gradually, don't speed, shift early to avoid revving up to high RPMs, etc), and I almost always exceed the EPA rating for my vehicle. Now, it may be partly because I drive a 5-speed. Every automatic I have owned has performed at about 10% short of the EPA rating. Still, actual fuel economy depends a LOT on driving habits.
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I sometimes get more...
I believe it's rated at 4 hours. On long flights I've managed to squeeze 6 out of it, though that's with no WiFi, the CPU speed killed, and running nearly everything off of flash memory. But even under normal circumstances I usually don't get below 5 unless I'm gaming or something. Hell, I can get more than 3 hours out of it while playing World of Warcraft.
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Yes, harm may have been done.
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again, mike masnick feels the need to spew forth bs from his mouth about the law, or the intentions of lawyers. he has no legal background, and entirely learned anything he thinks he might know about the law from wikipedia. masnick, you are a courtroom jester, and your opinions ring hallow.
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Harmed financially - yes!
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Class action re computer manufactures
http://www.classadvocate.com/?direct=y&category=product&product_level1%5B%5D =1353%3A1933
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decimal vs binary
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While I'm not saying that people aren't annoyed that they aren't getting what's advertised, this is definitely not something that's being initiated by the consumers.
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laptop battery
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