University Offers New Grade For Cheating Students: FD
from the fail'd? dept
There's certainly a lot of concern at universities these days about how some students may be using modern technology to cheat in some manner or another, but does that ability to cheat require a change to the grading system? Apparently Simon Fraser University believes so. It's instituting a special new failing grade for students caught cheating: FD. They say it will only be used in cases of repeat offenders caught doing things considered to be egregious cheating -- and that it will only stay on the transcript for two years. It's an interesting idea, but is it really all that different than a typical failing grade? Will students act differently because the potential of a temporary FD grade instead of an F? And if it's a case of a repeat offender taking part in egregious cheating, why not just kick them out and refuse to give them a degree?Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Rhetorical question?
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I'd have colored the above in green, but I think the point's been made.
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Trust me, they have NO PROBLEM getting students. In fact, so many people trying to do university here that the minimum average acceptance grade is somewhere in the A, A- range already...
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Tuition
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now much you wanna bet
They can't give a paper an F for being good but using a source they dont like, so instead they will call wikipedia "cheating" and give the students an FD instead of the A they should have received.
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no, it was my paper you cheat.
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Wow... I thought they were commies...?
Its absurd, but R.Miles is correct. This university is now *purely a business.
I don't deny them that right, it just goes against what used to be lofty standards in higher education.
Cut their public funding.
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Abusing that
And yes, there are professors out there that are like that.
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Some professors may be jerks, but this grade will stay out of their petty reach unless they can make a strong case against the student, one that is accepted by the upper administration.
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The fact is that cheating is taken very seriously at colleges. Where exposed, it is taken to an ethics committee, reviewed, and diciplinary action is taken. As mentioned by "Free Capitalist", in the UC system there is a zero tolerance policy. If a teacher has PROOF you cheated (not just "I saw them"), you're kicked out of the whole system. Period. I've seen it happen to students, too.
But if you think there are professors out there that actually have the time and energy to develop a grudge against a student who is "smarter" than them, you've been watching too many 80s college movies. That opinion just isn't based in reality. No matter how much better it might make you feel to tell yourself that. Most of the time professors aren't even the ones grading your papers, it's overworked grad students. They sure don't want to pick a fight with an undergrad, because then they have to spend long hours defending it to their advisers, professors, and justifying why they gave this student a grade other than what they deserved.
Have you even been to college, AC?
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Makes Sense
I think it's appropriate for another institution to know WHY the student failed the class. If the student cheated, what's wrong with another university knowing about it?
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Deny the Degree
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....it's like a nearly complete list of all of my favorite things to do!
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This isn't new
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This isn't new
As for Wikipedia, nothing wrong with using it as a starting point for your paper...but copying word-for-word several paragraphs from it (or any other source) is not so good.
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From one who knows
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P.S.
We live in a no mistake society. Let alone a tyrannical one. Small wonder nobody wants to be the IT Czar.
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Re: P.S.
I can personally assure you that getting into a bar brawl does NOT result in an Assualt charge.
....It's Misdemeanor Battery. Just saying....
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Did your friend take down a hijacked plane, and bring all the bad guys back to jail?
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Epic Fail...
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And yes, I do know a university that does that. It has excellent reputation and atracts students who actually want to learn. It's not just theory.
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Failing to fail
http://unreasonablysafe.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/canadafail/
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