Publishers Lashing Out At eBooks
from the welcome-to-the-marketplace dept
You would think that, with the music and movie industries to guide them, book publishers would be smarter than to complain about the rise of digital ebooks. But... apparently not everyone got the memo. Arnaud Nourry, the CEO of publisher Hachette is apparently quite upset about Amazon's pricing of ebooks and is warning that hardcover books may die. But the thing that strikes me? All he does is complain, and nowhere does he suggest what the industry is going to do about it... other than complain. This is the same mistake the music industry and the movie industry have been making. They don't propose any reasonable solutions, they just get angry at what the technology allows. He complains about public domain books, and then he complains about the prices Amazon charges:"On the one hand, you have millions of books for free where there is no longer an author to pay and, on the other hand, there are very recent books, bestsellers at $9.99, which means that all the rest will have to be sold at between zero and $9.99."Yes, if that defines the market you're dealing with. But why not adapt? Why not focus on giving people reasons to actually buy books at a profitable rate? And, of course, a bit part of the problem is that these same publishers didn't do anything to lead the way on ebooks. Instead, they sat around doing nothing while Amazon built the Kindle and Google went and scanned a bunch of books. The publishers could have put together a plan, but they ceded the advantage to the tech industry, and now they're complaining about their own lack of foresight? That's not very compelling.
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Won't affect most hardcovers
Plus, the manufacturing and distribution cost for the ebook is nearly zero. Does the manufacturer really have much more than $9.99 in margin in a hardcover, anyway? I don't know, perhaps they do, but it seems like a lot of manufacturing and shipping cost to me. Even if there is some drop in the sale of hardcovers, an ebook is still HIGHLY profitable, and the shift should be nothing to worry about. If the iPod taught us anything, it's that if you give a person a media device with plenty of empty storage, they will want to fill it. Those with Kindles have both the bookstore and the reminder to buy in the palm of their hand. If the publisher can't capitalize on that, they deserve to go under.
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Wow, you know what, I actually never considered that, and it's a HUGE point for the literary industry. People BECAME audiophiles in large part because of the iPod revolution, thirsting to have that ginormous music library at their fingertips.
But what could be more conducive the wish for a massive LIBRARY than BOOKS? More imporatantly (in my opinion, at least), could a successful iPod like device (and the Kindle ain't it) bring a similar level of interest as music back to BOOKS? Reading? Knowledge? Vocabulary? Could this be the intellectual revolution the American public has so desperately needed for the past few years?
That concept got my nipples hard....
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'scuse mi french, i'm french
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Really? I couldn't disagree more. I think the iPod helped to initiate many independent non-industry musicians to the concept of providing their music via digital means, and since there was little to no cost for that music and no cumbersome CD case to lug around, people were more willing to give it a try.
Then, when you put the iPod on shuffle, it just comes up and you listen.
At least, that was my experience. I can imagine something similar to a "random read" generator on an eBook reader.
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I'm assuming you mean 'industry music' and not 'industrial music' (which is a very non-industry genre. Einsturzende Neubauten and such.)
Regardless, I submit that it has, in fact, opened up a lot of music that wouldn't have passed the industry's smell-test. Wizard Rock, Nerdcore HipHop, Chiptunes, etc.
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i am not sure what the ipod did for music, but the mp3 damn sure leveled the playing field for non-industry music. perhaps this is my bias as a technology type, but to me the ipod became a necessity because we all had gobs of mp3's and were dying for a great player to put them to use.
once the market decided it liked mp3s over CDs you had a huge surge of independently made and digitally distributed music.
ebooks are now where mp3's were 8-10 years ago. if/when they see the boom that mp3's saw i'll bet you will see a similar boom in independant digitally distributed literature.
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Didnt we have this conversation like 2 weeks ago?
Nice to see you coming around slowly to this point of view..
BTW you get published yet?
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Didnt we have this conversation like 2 weeks ago?
Nice to see you coming around slowly to this point of view..."
Yes we did, and I'm aways reanalyzing my viewpoints when presented with new information. I'm starting to see some possibilities, helped along by examples from TD. I still think it's marketdly different from the music industry, but different doesn't mean unworkable, it just means different.
"BTW you get published yet?"
As I continue to tell people, it's out at Baen, and they tell you up front that they require up to a full year to review your work and give you an answer. I submitted in June, so we're 3 months in.
Trust me, the day I'm either published by Baen or ready to initiate my own experimental attempt at publishing and selling independently, that will be the day that I unmask myself and reveal my unhelmeted visage to the TechDirt world...to sell them high quality signed books at a tasty price! :)
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Didnt we have this conversation like 2 weeks ago?
Nice to see you coming around slowly to this point of view..."
Yes we did, and I'm aways reanalyzing my viewpoints when presented with new information. I'm starting to see some possibilities, helped along by examples from TD. I still think it's marketdly different from the music industry, but different doesn't mean unworkable, it just means different.
"BTW you get published yet?"
As I continue to tell people, it's out at Baen, and they tell you up front that they require up to a full year to review your work and give you an answer. I submitted in June, so we're 3 months in.
Trust me, the day I'm either published by Baen or ready to initiate my own experimental attempt at publishing and selling independently, that will be the day that I unmask myself and reveal my unhelmeted visage to the TechDirt world...to sell them high quality signed books at a tasty price! :)
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:P
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Correction
Bit part should be big part?
Bit part would mean something entirely different, in fact opposite of what you were saying, I think...
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Poor them
We don't need middlemen.
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I couldn't agree more.
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Amazaon charges???
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Even with e-books, Amazon does not buy any rights.
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In any event, Amazon is like Walmart: it has so much power in the marketplace that it can dictate pricing, particularly to small publishers.
But the real point here is that Amazon is the publisher of eBooks. Like senshikaze said, the publisher is just a middleman here. In a better world, Amazon would pay the author and the publisher (who contributes nothing,) would get out of the way. And if that means that publishers go out of business and have to find more productive careers, my heart will not break.
Henry Ford displaced an entire generation of carriage makers. As sad as it is that that industry died out, the economy was not worse off because it did.
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Well....not exactly. They certainly contribute LESS in the eBook format, and lord knows I'm not a defender of most publishers out there, but they are certainly still contributing.
Everything from editing to formating, font choices, art illustrations, etc. is all done and/or coordinated by the publisher. Now, some of that can be done by the author to a certan degree, but just as there is room for record labels because there are certain things they are VERY good at, the same is true for publishers.
You don't want to rely on authors self-editing, for reasons obvious to anyone who has tried to self-edit: it almost can't be done. You don't catch the mistakes a professional 3rd party does because you fill in the blanks in your mind because you know what you MEANT to say/punctuate/write etc.
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Publishers *do* provide something of value, their editorial services. Not just individual edits on individual books, either: part of the value of a good imprint is that it assures the buying public that the quality of the work is similar to other authors in that publisher's stable. In other words, being picked up by a publisher let's an author borrow a valuable trademark.
_That_ is worth having in the marketplace.
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Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Borders, airport newsstands, etc. all generally buy books either directly from publishers or wholesalers (who buy from publishers) and pay a discounted price from the cover price to the publisher, who in turn pays a royalty to the author. Those distributors and retailers also generally buy the books on a fully returnable basis, meaning they can return them for full credit at any time.
Technically, any of those outlets, including Amazon can sell a book (or ebook) at any price they choose, but the publisher generally sets the price for books. With e-books for Kindle, Amazon is more restrictive.
Amazon really isn't the publisher of ebooks, either, even if an author directly uploads his or her ebook for sale on Amazon. Amazon acquires no rights and, more important, none of the legal risks that a publisher does.
The publisher actually contributes a great deal. It's not that an author can't or couldn't do the same (some do), but a publisher provides expertise in editing, copyediting, design (internal and cover), marketing, promotion, publicity, and sometimes licensing of subsidiary rights (book club, translations, foreign editions, etc.). Again, it's not that the author couldn't do these things, or hire contractors to do these things, but a publisher has experience and existing relationships that provide for more efficiency.
You can do these things, but it's going to be more difficult to get your book in Barnes and Noble or Borders, reviewed in the New York Times, or booked on a tour of bookstores.
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I buy lots of books. However, I wait until they are on the closeout shelf, or in the used books stores.
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Give me a good, inexpensive eBook reader with reasonably priced eBooks (like 25% of the dead tree price), no DRM, and no back doors for them to delete the damn books. I'd buy books left, right, and fucking center. And I'd still buy nice looking hardcovers to put on my shelf and be able to hold, smell, turn pages, etc.
But they'll just never get it, ever. Assholes.
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I have to be honest, I've pretty much stopped buying books since I found an ebook app for my palm centro. Its too handy to carry around an entire library in my phone and whip it out when I'm in a waiting room, or whatever. I think the publishers need to give me a reason to buy the book.
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Baen Books has Hundres of free books (Primarily SCi-Fi/Fantasy)
There are other low cost publishers out there-but you gotta look hard
There's always P2P....Shhhh don't tell any one or the Publishing police will come get me
Seriously I run MobiPocket on my Palm pilot Tungsten (I know old tech but a hell of a lot cheaper than a Kindle, and it fits in my pocket) and after almost a year am still working my way through a bunch of books that came on a free CD I got with a book I bought from Baen. Lots of good books from authors I never heard of, and since they were free I tried new stuff at no risk and got a couple of new favorite Authors. Also, Baen eBooks are dirt cheap, like $3.00 last time I checked, that's half the cost of a new Paperback.
And to wrap up this long rambling post, read the eszsay by Eric Flint on the Baen website where he talks about why they giove away free eBooks and some other cool stuff....it's like they actually understand economics and fans and markets and stuff!
RIP Jim, and hey Dark Helmet, any chance of getting a preview manuscript?
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You know what? Absolutely. If Mike can work out a way for me to pass along to anyone that would like to see the first 2 chapters in EXTREMLY simple PDF format without my having to give away personal information like name/address/email address, all of which I can remove from the PDF, then why the hell not?
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I can only assume you're joking. Calling me a conservative/Republican is kind of like a KKK member a civil rights advocate.
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What a stunning position coming from a mortgage person. I would like to introduce you and your colleagues to a concept called "controlled sustainable growth". It is slightly different from the "make as much cash as you can!" concept in that it isn't, you know, retarded.
That is all....
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An Author Weighs In
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Eric Flint has written a whole truckload of essays on the state of (electronic) publishing and DRM.
They are aviable for free on http://baens-universe.com/
Older essays, the "Prime Palaver by Eric Flint" are are aviable on Baen's Free Libary http://www.baen.com/library/ wich also contains some 115+ full eBooks in diverse formats - hence the name free libary. ;)
Not enough free stuff?
Baen Books has given the permission to distribute for free as in free beer (and not to sell, all rights stay reseved) the bound in and promotional CD's containing practically the collected works of the author who wrote the book / who was to be promoted. More on that on: http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/
If those iirc almost 300 free books are still not enough I'm afraid you'll have to buy some more.
In order to NOT buy a electronic pig in a poke Bean publishes the first ~25% of each book for free. Their rationale for this seem to be that if a book can't hook you in the first quater, you wouldn't read it even if the rest was also free.
All books are DRM free, aviable in all popular formats (with additional formats added as they become relevant). You can download your books as often as you like, in whatever or all formates you like as long as the service exists.
Pricing? 4-6 US $ each on http://www.webscription.net/
Too pricy? Try the monthly bundles of 5-8 Books for 15 US $ - with 10 years of bundles to choose frome some should fit your preferences.
Still to pricy because you are disabled and don't have the money?
Get em all for free! More on that on: http://www.readassist.org/
= Chasm
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I said it first!
Seriously though, I wait for the movie. :)
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Ipod revolution? that's a laugh. Digital audio came out well before ipod's were even a wet dream. Digital audio handheld devices such as mp3 players cellphones with audio players etc, all came after for marketing reasons.
The only real revolution was people waking up to digital media and losing the albums, tapes, & cassettes they were holding on to. Any more even video discs are almost obsolete.
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Publishers Have Been Selling E-books for Years
Hachette doth protest too much. Publishers have been selling e-books for years and have been looking for ways to maximize that market since the very early 90s. Even then, some publishers (and authors) were shouting about how this would be the "death of books." Didn't happen then, and it's unlikely to happen now.
Publishers haven't been just "sitting around." There's been plenty of experimentation at the margins, but e-book sales have been pretty minor (millions of dollars, but not much increase in sales volume over the last 10 years). The problem has always been coming up with standards for e-book formatting, with PDF the default (and it's a lousy default) as well as a portable device.
The "e-ink" technology used by Kindle and Sony Reader has been around for almost 10 years and while they both have contributed to a nearly exponential increase in e-book sales volume (and dollars), they still aren't the answer.
Publishers are well aware that Amazon and Kindle have the potential to lock them into pricing the same way iTunes did for the recording industry. But Kindle and Sony Reader, while an important market, aren't likely to take over the industry the way iTunes has dominated music.
What publishers should be planning for is the next generation of "e-paper" e-book reading technology: Cholesteric LCD. When this technology gets to the point of being cheaply manufactured, that will be the real revolution in book publishing.
Not to mention magazine and newspaper publishing; if they think they have it bad now, this technology will, I believe, essentially wipe out paper distribution there. Book lovers will always demand physical, bound books, but periodicals and newspapers will be doomed.
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Meh, the markets are already merging. Genre mags are going bimonthly or quarterly, but beefing up their content so that they're essentially anthologies.
The newspaper thing worries me though, because I have a paper-trained dog.
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And, about the dog, call your local moving company: they should sell blank newsprint paper, which they use as packing materials, pretty cheaply. Stock up now!
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I think that tech will be a small difference, in the long run. Screens (Kindle, iPod, etc.) are already at a quite readable quality. The shift is going to be in presentation. DRM, format, that kind of thing.
StarshipSofa.com is an interesting example. They're a free (donor supported) version of the classic SciFi genre mag in audio format, published twice a month. (Disclaimer: I've had a couple stories 'published' there.)
"And, about the dog, call your local moving company: they should sell blank newsprint paper, which they use as packing materials, pretty cheaply. Stock up now!"
Thanks for the heads-up! For the time being she pees on the WSJ, which amuses me.
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Kindle and Sony Reader are a definite improvement, since they're about the size of a regular book; use ambient light, which replicates the same experience of reading a physical book; can be used in environments that other "screens" can't (such as bright sunlight); and have generally good battery life. But they're still limited.
What is jazzy about the cholesteric LCD is that it operates similarly to the e-ink technology but is in color and can be manufactured as a thin, light, semi-rigid sheet of plastic of almost any size. Coupled with wireless technology, I very strongly believe it will be a game-changer.
Oh, and you have a very discerning dog.
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Actually, it's largely the other way 'round. C.f. Foreign Affairs.
And, yes, adaptability is a specific design skill, but one that is oddly lacking in most 'designers.'
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You just HAD to bait me by bringing up Foreign Affairs Magazine, otherwise known as the official propoganda rag of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Well you know what? I'm not playing.
:)
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And Foreign Affairs? I remember subscribing to that in high school so that I could leave the thick, wordy copies laying around and feel informed. Not sure what relevance that has to the world of consumer magazines. It really ain't one.
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My point about the next generation "e-paper" technology is that it is likely to largely wipe out the "paper-paper" editions.
This is essentially what happened to publishers of scholarly journals 10 years ago. When the demand for electronic editions emerged, STM journal publishers complained about having to produce them; after 5 years or so, they complained about having to continue the print editions.
Now, the business are different in that most journals are advertising-supported by subscription-supported, so the metric of success are different. But looking at what journals went through--and what they are currently going through--should be instructive to the consumer magazine market.
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I also agree that thin formats and such will eventually change the landscape and challenge the need for print at all for many pubs. But that isn't practical yet, and likely won't be for some time. 10 year horizon for the masses, I'd estimate. Remember, consumer mags have aggregate circulation in the hundreds of millions. It is NOT enough to have a cool device that 1 million early adopters have. To really re-make the industry, the technology and devices MUST be essentially ubiquitous.
The present alternative is to hook up with one or more device vendors and do all sorts of things to port your product to their format, only to then NOT be able to monetize it from an advertising perspective. Or, you can work on your own device like Hearst is doing, which, I think, is ill-advised. Industry standards would be nice, but will take time.
Journals are a good partial model, but the type of reader engagement is entirely different than with a consumer magazine. But surely there are lessons to be learned all around.
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I particularly agree with the 10-year horizon (or beyond) for new "e-paper" technology to hit critical mass. This was always the problem for ebooks: publishers wanted to sell them, but demand was low because of the lack of the right hardware upon which to read them. That demand is spiking, but I don't think that even with that spike, sales will amount to more than 10% of overall revenue (or units).
Standards are the key as well. Book publishing is slowly starting to really adopt the ".epub" format (formerly the OEBPS), which should make ebooks operable on multiple platforms and allow for consistent presentation across those platforms.
Creating your own devise only locks you into one primary sales channel (not that Hearst couldn't sell through others, but then, why create the device). A better approach is to work with the hardware folk to produce ereaders that meet the needs of consumers and publishers.
Cheers.
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Us vs. Them
The way they (the publishers) see it is that the price should be the same as (or close to) a just published hard cover and that the difference between that and the actual cost for the ebook is their huge, huge, huge, glorious profit margin and how dare we try and cheat them out of that?
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Oh, and the margins in book publishing, except for big bestsellers that are really a small percentage of the number of books published, are pretty modest.
Contract differ, but if an author is getting 10% royalty on the cover price, that amounts to nearly 20% of the publisher's gross, since the publisher sells books to retailers at discounts of up to 50% of the cover price.
For the vast majority of books, the average profit margin is between 10% to 15%. Some quite a bit less. The economics of bestsellers are, however, a little different.
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http://www.sfwa.org/category/sample-contracts/
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Those are pretty old; from 1989. I'm a little surprised that SFWA hasn't updated them.
The Author's Guild has better. As for ebook royalties, I think most publishers have this as a subsidiary right and split revenue from ebook sales 50/50 with the author.
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Most do, but that is based on what was previously a small market. There has been a great deal of talk going around that those rates are going to change drastically in favor of the publisher as the market share of eBooks over printed media evens out.
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Look at London, England. Plastic Logic
Security is amazing. It is called Global Garde
Protects e-books and have the technology to successfully deploy. You just have to get innovative.
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Back to basics...
For this, just like the music industry, they take the lion share of the profits and some would say risk.
With an e-book, I no longer need printing presses or access to a closed distribution network. What I do need is access to is a digital storefront, low-volume on-demand printing presses, and a way to promote my book. The typical publishing house is pretty much useless in this area as they currently run their business.
If I was king for a day at a publishing house, I'd be working like a mad-man to setup on-demand/low volume printing presses, digital store fronts for both digital downloads and physical associated goods, and a promotional system that would be far better than what any single author could hope to do on their own.
The real issue is that the core need for what the publisher does is changing. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them as those in IT know very well that your core business and profit centers are practically different every year. We constantly have to find the new trend and come up with ways to profit off of it. How nice it must be to be in the publishing business and pretty much just make money because of a unchanging system where mass/size of the company is probably the most important asset.
It's time for the RIAA, Publishers and so on to grow up and adapt! You aren't entitled to anything and whining about it and using your shrinking resources to fight it is ultimately futile and short-sighted.
Freedom
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As I noted above, profit margins in the book publishing industry are much smaller than in the recording industry.
If I was king for a day at a publishing house, I'd be working like a mad-man to setup on-demand/low volume printing presses, digital store fronts for both digital downloads and physical associated goods, and a promotional system that would be far better than what any single author could hope to do on their own.
Most publishers are already doing this. And they still provide value in terms of interior and cover design, publicity, marketing, and promotion. Of course, not every author gets the same level of these services, but they all get the value of distribution systems to major wholesaler and retailers, whether print or electronic. As for just electronic, if you move beyond PDF, publisher also handle conversion to the various e-publishing standards used by different electronic vendors. The also generally pay the author up-front, a non-refundable advance against royalties. Most authors never actually earn-out that advance in accrued royalties.
On-demand and/or short-run printing is relatively expensive, moreso on a per-unit basis than larger print runs. The trade off is you don't have warehouse stock. But those costs are necessarily passed along to the end-user.
Of course, you could still do all that yourself.
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In the end, there is just going to be consolidation of the printing presses though and those businesses associated with it.
No market change is easy especially for those that are part of the old, but ultimately they need to realize this is an opportunity and nothing lasts forever - except for maybe taxes!
Freedom
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So what?
Obviously, they have to get pricing right. But consumers are aware enough of the pricing signals they are getting to know when they're getting gouged. And the economic incentive for online book sellers is to drive volume through lower prices for ebooks. That's going to be a hard incentive for publishers to thwart.
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Re: So what?
1. "When you pull more and more of the roadblocks between content CREATORS and contents CONSUMERS out of the way, they become obsolete." Are you kidding me? We do everything we can to create connections between creators and consumers online, such as through Twitter and Facebook. We want to make fans, then satisfy them.
2. "The publishing industry" does not have just one business model. For instance, we make gobs of money publishing books by authors who sell them as part of their own business practices, such as back of the room at a speech or course. We extend their brand. It's not all about bookstores. Could these people create their own books? Absolutely. But then they would have to create their own books, which is a lot more work than just writing one, plus having our brand on it gives it an objective seal of approval that says someone else believes in what they're pitching.
3. To condense what I wrote two weeks ago re pricing: ebooks cost as much as treeware editions because they they are also responsible from an accounting point of view for all the editing, copyediting and production work that goes into the project as a whole, plus they require additional production work (conversion to Mobi/pdf/whatever and quality control) as well as storage and distribution fees, all of which offsets the cost of not having to pay for jackets, paper, binding and printing. Amazon can charge less because they are taking a hit on every ebook they sell; this price will surely go up.
4. As to the head of Hachette's anger at ebooks, look at things from his point of view: Lagardere, Hachette's parent company, paid $537.5 million in 2006 for Time Warner books, after TW and Hachette made about that much in revenue the year before. I guarantee you they didn't make that much last year, won't this year, and probably won't next year. He's looking at an ugly balance sheet and a pile of debt. Of course he doesn't like those low ebook prices. Each one must look like another gravedigger.
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Also, the quote about having bestsellers that sell for $10 and freebooks meaning that all books have to be sold between $0 and $10 just shows this man does not understand his industry. You can sell a hardcover for multiples of the price of a soft cover. You can sell non-bestsellers for 20, 30, 50 and people will still buy. His statement is factually wrong.
And you don't have to track circulation for ad payments... You can just do flat rates for ads in specific books.
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Simple Solution
A. Sell more copies by producing a higher quality work
B. Sell less copies by make more money by pricing it higher, but not so much higher you lose more sales than the higher price makes up for
C. Price it lower to sell more copies but not so low you make less money
Generally I'd recommend a combination of A & C. The same holds for eBook copies.
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Why did I buy?
Jim Butcher is re-releasing The Dresden Files series in conjunction with a small publisher as signed, illustrated and lettered or numbered volumes. 26 with embossed leather covers for a super premium price, and the numbered for a lesser price with standard cardboard covers. All are beautifully illustrated, new typeface and with thick, archival quality paper. They're shipped in sealed bags, protected with bubble wrap in a padded, waterproof envelope. So, so worth it.
But the publisher is making a huge effort to make sure if you purchased book one and were number #, your second book will have the same #, and on and on through the series.
That is something wonderful, lovely and worth the cost.
Added value goes a long way towards parting me from my hard earned money.
In some cases, I will now have 3 copies of each book.. the original softcover I read and loan out to hook friends, the mass market hardback I keep in case the softcover is lost, and now the collector's edition.
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on the flip side, i don't buy ebooks either.
paper backs are nice :)
the problem is, hardcovers are freaking Expensive. we're talking 40-60 $NZ a go. or basically my entire month's discretionary cash for three or four of them. they then proceed to take up significantly more space on my shelf. i honestly can't afford to do this given the number of books [and other stuff] i buy.
so, paperbacks. which can cost anything from ~15[rare.] to 30 [also rare. i Think it usually means there was no hard cover edition]. though 19-26 seems to be the common range.
(rough conversion rate: NZ$3 will get you US$2)
giving me more reason to buy won't make me pay more for a hard cover at this point. my budget's tapped out. i already have enough reason to buy the books just for the Stories that it's overcome my financial ability to Buy the hardcovers :) thus, paperbacks. the down side is then having to wait a year or more for them to come out, of course.
in the mean time i borrow the hard covers from the library.
which [how surprising!] doesn't stop me buying the ones i was going to buy when they come out in paperback Anyway.
[actually, when it comes to novels, I'd never have Heard of most of the things i buy if it weren't for the library, and with manga the same is true of the library And scanlations.]
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