The Cognitive Mismatch Between Newspaper Execs And Newspaper Readers
from the going-somewhere? dept
I've been having an email debate concerning newspaper business models with the David Carr of the NY Times for PBS' MediaShift, which I believe will be published later this week, so I won't reveal too much now. However, the key points are that Carr believes paywalls/micropayments make sense and I don't. We've gone back and forth on it, and I think it's been quite an interesting discussion, but one key point that I keep trying to make is that Carr seems to think enough people will pay to make such things a viable model. I have trouble believing this, and some recent research (highlighted by Steve Outing) suggests that many newspaper execs have a stunningly large disconnect between how they think readers will react to paywalls, and how readers themselves actually say they'd react to paywalls:Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Types of news also
People who work very menial jobs may not care one darn bit about world news, but they may only care about traffic getting to work or perhaps local news to see what's happening in their area. Differentiating between those might prove a viable option.
Obviously, if someone can't afford to read the news, they'll watch it on television. But financial investors pay to get up-to-the-second Wall Street reports and to-the-minute business releases.
Personally, I wouldn't pay for online news at all. But much of my concern goes into technology and science news. If paywalls went up, I would go to other sites that had computer, technology and science information. I won't care one bit what's happening in politics because I just don't have an interest in that area.
Newspapers can put up paywalls, but as was mentioned, I'll just go somewhere else to get my news. Why the hell would I care one iota about sports and finance if I have to pay for it???
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This makes me think that people wouldn't so much pay for "news" as they would for specific data.
Indeed, people will pay for sports scores or financial information. I myself even have a subscription to the New York Times crossword puzzle. Perhaps what these things have in common is that we know exactly what we are getting before we pay for it.
"News," on the other hand, is a vague and unreliable concept. On some days, the news is exciting and interesting, but on most days it's dull or practically nonexistent. I don't particularly want to pay for the days where there isn't anything interesting. You could try offering teaser headlines of stories for sale, but I suspect most people just read the headlines anyway.
When we pay for data in newspapers, we're buying the scarce quantity of convenience for something that's clearly necessary or clearly desirable. Everything else is a pig in a poke.
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I believe that is the "secret" to making money for newspapers. Find a niche and fill it well. General news is not money making, especially with the many outlets to getting "standard" news. Most news outlets simply carry AP feeds, which can be found nearly anywhere, especially online.
Personally, I haven't picked up a newspaper for years. There's simply no reason too, except for convenience when I'm not near a computer or WiFi point. Normally, for general news info, I just turn on my Wii and look at the News Channel.
However, I have no interest in sports and most business news. In many papers, that's 1/3 to 1/2 of the paper. Local sections sometimes have useful info, but frequently it seems to be filler.
I am interested in technology and science, which is very under-covered with traditional media. Hence, most of my news interests have to filled online.
Ergo, as the parent stated, specific data are more of a marketable idea than general news. Heck, I can go to the BBC and get better news coverage than I can w/ most American media, so newspapers have already lost the battle for general news. They simply don't offer anything that can't be found elsewhere; charging for it will only make it worse.
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take a look at 'other local media sites' and 'other local internet sites'
then look at 'print edition of other paper' ... it's in the same Place, but the percentage difference is pretty big.
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It's the distribution model
The unfortunate reality is that there's going to be considerable consolidation in the news industry because the internet has changed the distribution model. As the study points out, news sites are reaching 10 times more people on the web than in print. 10 times!
What that suggests to me, is that what was once a balance of supply and demand, is now an oversupply. I'm going to guess that the number of news papers that survive is about 1 in ... 10?
The paper that figures this out will try and build their core readership instead of charging them in order to push out their competitors. As Facebook is proving (and Google already proved), the internet is about scale. The papers that manage to integrate themselves with the typical daily habits of the masses will win big and the others will probably simply fail.
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Since the supply is still increasing that should give you an idea where price will end up.
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What if they had more choice?
I was recently in Germany and happened to pickup the international edition of the NY Times (wasn't called that on the front, but was referred to as the NY Times International edition throughout the paper)athen the following morning I had the international edition of the Independant... the difference was astounding with the amount of advertising in The Independant.
So what if you could control the content in the printed editions and also print on demand in a place of your choice?
I have written a series of blogs on the subject (links below) about an intelligent Kiosk with various options for content control and levels of cost based on targeted advertising (well you have to subscribe so they have demographic information of you!)
Anyway have a read and please feedback.
Part 1 : http://tinyurl.com/fonp1
Part 2 : http://tinyurl.com/fonp2
Part 3 : http://tinyurl.com/l7c52u
Part 4 : http://tinyurl.com/nmtxcd
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What I might pay a subscription for
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For example consider the recent story about the UK broadcast flag.
I became aware of that initially via the EFF and later this site covered it (I submitted it - but I guess lots of other people had already done so). Now the story first broke on MP Tom Watson's site about a week earlier. A google search for "broadcast flag" couldn't have found that site until a comment used those words four days later.
Google search isn't clever enough to fill this need properly (yet?) so maybe there is a niche for a paid for personalised alerting service. In a way this is what newpapers used to provide. Which paper you bought depended on your interests, political attitudes and physical location. In the UK the "Guardian reader" was different from the "Daily Mail reader" - and in a way that was what people were paying for. After all if you just wanted news then that has been available for free via the radio/TV for just about the whole lifetime of everyone now alive.
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Re: What I might pay a subscription for
What I would pay for is a service that goes a step further and clearly separates the facts from the lies with linked references, and in addition, picks apart the analysts and the politicians and the blowhards This would a larger version of factcheck.org, politifact.com, scopes.com, etc. I don't really need to read more "news" with a spin, but I would pay for a service that truly makes me more knowledgable.
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Online Edtions
The only reason I use my local paper's online version is when the physical paper is late. I get up, drink coffee, read the paper, then go to work.
If the paper's late I will use the online version (my wife watches TV news). but that's the only time.
I have noticed that I don't read the physical and online versions in the same way. I generally at least skim a story if it looks interesting.
With the online version I've taken to shrinking the pages so I can see the whole page. I only skim the headlines. The advantage of this is that it only takes a few minutes to read the whole paper, instead of nearly an hour.
I don't know if this loss of my attention (and consequent lack of exposure to the ads that actually pay the freight) is important or not.
I do know that if my paper goes online only I won't be a subscriber.
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My local news I get from the free weekly, not the newspaper (online or not), and national/global news I get from various online sources.
But I live in a relatively small town, so there really isn't all that much that happens on a daily basis. And our local paper, like our major state newspaper and most national ones, do a truly terrible, terrible job at reporting the news.
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Does it have to be viable ?
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My point (that was cut off my previous post, apparently) is that paywalls don't need to be financially viable YET (like YouTube and Twitter aren't). They just need to get traffic up.
If the paywall is a tiny cost and a very convenient experience and adds value (aggregates stuff I like with crowdsourced reviews) then I might sign up.
Then the price creeps up later. But by then, everyone's doing it and it becomes a simple free market.
But unlike all the FREE registration barriers that already exist and turn people off, it has got to be convenient, like
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Whither the ad revenue?
I live in the Washington DC area, and the Washington Post recently improved the mobile version of their content. I wrote the editor and Help Desk both to congratulate them on the improvement, and followed up with a comment that they should actually include one or two ads per screen. We're grownups; we can handle it. I told them I appreciate the writers they have and I want them to continue to be paid. So they should be taking advantage of this revenue stream, especially if the ads there have URLs in them as a convenience to the user and advertiser.
Much as I like the Post's content, I spend 10 minutes max scanning the print version in the morning as I munch my Pop Tart. All my other news consumption is done online. And my wife only reads the Sunday paper. I am seriously considering dropping my print subscription.
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Re: Whither the ad revenue?
The difficulty there is that many internet savvy users use tools like Ad-Block and so avoid a lot of the advertising on the web. The very existence of that tool gives advertisers a useful lever to force the cost of their adverts down because it is conceivable that many of the people who read the article the ad is placed on will never see the advert.
I want sites to be ad supported rather then paywalls but I don't want to be bombarded with ads. I will always have Ad-Block running because of the many websites which will bombard me. Its a bit of a dichotomy to be sure. Any suggestions?
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Re: Whither the ad revenue?
if i'm not mistaken, the answer goes to the technique and execution of marginal pricing. it costs a ton to distribute that last advertisement on their printed newspaper, it costs close to zero to distribute that last ad on their website. in a competitive marketplace, the "newspaper" has to price the ad space they're selling at or near this marginal cost.
i can't wait to see the entirety of mike's conversation with david carr, and i'm curious if the notion of personalized aggregating sites (think netvibes etc) wherein the consumer (i prefer the term individual) can create their own "The Daily Me Gazette", a notion obliquely mentioned above by commentator yohann.
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Here is a recent example, Van Jones had to resign for being a Truther but the NYT never bothered to report anything until after he had resigned and then they lied and ommited the most damning facts.
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75% -- Wrong
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Most people i know that don't read papers stopped reading them not because of the internet but because of the terrible quality of their product -- terrible as in not even worth free. They go to the internet because they had a vacuum that the internet filled. If these newspapers dropped of the net tomorrow, it wouldn't change that equation one bit.
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It's not just newspaper executives
Railroad executives saw themselves as the be-all and end-all of transportation, and never noticed that highways and airlines would end up eating their lunch.
The telephone companies are wrestling with and trying to suppress VOIP, and demanding that everybody pay for using "their" pipes.
Book executives try to charge hardcover prices for electronic editions because they fear that cheap eBooks will destroy hardcover sales, never bothering to notice that paper and eBooks are NOT THE SAME MARKET.
And so with newspapers.
I wonder if there's any way to sell the New York Times company short about five years in advance.
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I haven't paid for any "real" news paper for a long time now. Mostly I just read them, free, in coffee shops and perhaps only the first 2-3 pages for the important news.
However, I do scan through google news a few times a day to check what's up, and only read what's of interest to me. If I happen to hit a link that ask for a subscription (even if it's a free subscription), I simply quit, do a google search for another site that offers the info free. Although it may not be exactly the same, but it's enough for me. I have hit the NYT, WSJ paywall many, many times and I NEVER hesitated to leave them and find something else.
And you know what, if one day ALL news sites decided to use paywall or take down their online content(highly impossible), I'll just stop reading news or go back to browse those free papers. After all, we live in an age of too much information and news rank pretty low on my list of priorities as most news have very little revelance to my daily life.
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infinite goods
I won't register even for a free registration wall: not worth my time. I'd rather find a source of news that I don't have to login to. If I can't find it, I move on to something else. So forget people paying for news... it will never happen on a mass scale. Forget it! It will not work...
unless the government makes news distribution cost money (ie, they allow ISPs to cap bandwidth and charge more for it) or they require only certain people to distribute news, the news will continue to be limitless and distribution costs will continue towards free.
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Apples And Oranges
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paywalls
The average user now is not only online for reading a conventional web page, but on pda's now as well.
I have not seen that there has been any discussion about the contribution that could be made with such models as a twitter like portal, or connection with editing, and feeding news based on location to users, but there is an increase for mobile users to get this information, and on the other hand not be milked for the costs.
With Google sniffing around there in the mobile search and information area there is also the need for those with the reporting, and editing capabilities of newspapers to adapt to that possible market.
The paper editions will need to be adapted to longer term type information, and advertising that fits that model better than online.
Online web news should be used to draw the users to advertising that should have value to the local advertisers. I would read useful ads on the web pages, but most newspapers have gone to cluttered messes of pages, and I try my best at the current time to avoid the ad's. they are usually not of interest where they are placed.
Finding ads for local establishments, and national store chains that are on point to what I want would be better served by a local newspaper than having to jump from website to web site, or go to a search engine. Knowing what stores are there, and what they want to sell is better served by what the newspapers have, but they seem to concentrate on the type of web pages that are like late nite ads for diet pills than giving any thought to where the ads are, or how useful they are.
Also newspapers have the luxury of having the words and ink being composed and edited by individuals who don't have to look good from the belt up to talk on TV, and can actually think. I hope that is not lost, as most TV seems to be going to just pretty faces, and no sign of anything that they are reporting, vs. reading the AP feed, or the local newspaper on the air.
as to what would I pay for, archive access at a reasonable price (not $20 to look up an article) would be one thing that the newspapers could offer. Digitizing it so it is search-able would cost money, and be useful to those who are interested in history, and would be very interesting to me.
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So would it work?
Here's the links again.
Part 1 : http://tinyurl.com/fonp1
Part 2 : http://tinyurl.com/fonp2
Part 3 : http://tinyurl.com/l7c52u
Part 4 : http://tinyurl.com/nmtxcd
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However, I also like to read the comments on web sites. If an on-demand paper could incorporate these, allowing a reader to read the comments then when at a computer later to post a follow up comment, that would be another useful addition.
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For most people most of the time, my impression is that the "news" is engaged mostly as one engages a weather report. Question one is "Is it going to rain." This translates to "did anything terrible happen that is going to affect me." Or it might be "who won yesterday's game.' The game in question might be sports, politics, or finance.
After that question is answered, one looks for other interesting things to discover. The fact is that while the internet is optimized for search, print is optimized for discover.
One can scan a print document using the visual part of the right brain in the background. Using words to search is a left brain activity that requires focus.
The business problem of newspapers in the last few years is merely the problem that is moving through the global economy. Over leveraged business enterprise who couldn't pay back their debts when the cycle changed. And couldn't make their payrolls when the funny money disappeared.
Now new forms of highly differentiated enterprises are reorganizing to grow for the next period of growth. It's clear that it's impossible to get any significant revenues from web advertising. While the reach of a website is massive compared to paper, the price of eyeballs keeps going down and down. Print advertising is a well proven model. Now that digital technology allows the same real estate to be sold again and again for different versioned editions an even better monetization model is possible.
Some newspapers in the States have taken a contrary approach. They charge for access to the website, not for the revenue stream, but to increase the perceived value of the print product.Given the recent announcements that Rupert plans to charge for web content and the fact that he's built the largest newspaper printing plant in the world, I would not be surprised if that were his strategy.
I think tele2002 is pointing to the real business problem when he describes the difference between the Independent and The New York Times International edition. The Independent is chock full of paying ads. the Times Internation, no so much.
The business problem is a legacy system that was too expensive to sell ads to local business would would love to buy them if the price were affordable.
In this context, I think tele2002 might really be on to something.
In this context, I think tele2002 is on to something.
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