Canadian University Has Court Order Google To Reveal Anonymous Critics

from the anonymity? dept

Fri, Sep 25th 2009 5:42am — Mike Masnick

While we sometimes get annoyed at US courts for revealing anonymous commenters, the truth is that courts in the US seem to be much better than just about anywhere else in the world at respecting a right for anonymous comments. Case in point: a bunch of folks have been sending in versions of a story happening up in Canada, where the publicly funded York University got a court to force Google to reveal the names of faculty members who were criticizing the university anonymously via email. Amazingly, the court agreed and ordered the info revealed. Even more ridiculous is what the "complaint" was about. The University had announced the hiring of a new dean and exaggerated that dean's accomplishments. As many of the articles on this story are noting, what better way to create a chilling effect than to try to out anonymous critics. The university claims that this went "beyond free speech" and even though the complaints were supported by the very guy who was hired, the university still insists it was "damaging." I would think that outing your own professors is a lot more damaging than some squabble about over-inflating a new dean's resume.

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Anonymous Coward, 25 Sep 2009 @ 6:06am

TOR
Agreed the rest of the world lacks behind the U.S. in protecting anonymity which is one of the basic foundations for a healthy democracy.

Anyways that is why people created:

- TOR.
- GNUNet(have an anonymous IM)
- OSIRIS Serverless Portal System (makes P2P websites that are virtually indestructible and untraceable)
- I2P (that is a layer)
- Retroshare.
- StealthNet
- Herbivore.

And so many others, this blog is not completely anonymous for example one could still obtain the IP information and track someone, but if you use TOR all those lawsuits become meaningless.

The point being that, abuse is always present so there has to be a natural way to counter that.

ps: particularly I do use TOR to navigate it is so easy nowdays I didn't even had to configure anything the last time a install it.
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- Raybone (profile), 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:44am
  
  Re: TOR
  except as soon as your signal bounces out of the country via TOR, it become legal fair game for NSA and Echelon via Patriot Act, Military Comm Act, etc. If you think the NSA cannot crack any system in the world, you better think twice. Of course they spy anyway whether its "officially" legal or not.
  
  Look at how they got their new patsies in these new terrorist cases. FBI provides incentive, material support, and "fake" bombs for these dumb asses. Well except for 1993 WTC bombing where FBI provided REAL bomb....and let it explode.
  
  and then there is the 911 inside job of course.....
  
  so dont go assuming your safe...if its online...its available to those with the resources and intent.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:59am
    
    Re: Re: TOR
    Um, I think that you got more than a little off track by the end there...
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  - Thomas (profile), 25 Sep 2009 @ 8:35am
    
    Re: Re: TOR
    An e-mail does not have to go out of the country to make it fair game for the spooks. "Legal" is not a word in the world of the spooks like NSA or the FBI; they just do whatever they feel like.
    
    Most likely the professors will simply get fired.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Sep 2009 @ 6:40am

Canadian University needs to go back to school!

Go to hell, Oh sorry, your already there. Enjoy the cold.
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- GJ (profile), 25 Sep 2009 @ 10:10am
  
  Re:
  Anonymous Coward wrote: Canadian University needs to go back to school! Go to hell, Oh sorry, your already there. Enjoy the cold.
  Hey, psst!! Before you use the imperative "go back to school", you may want to clean up the punctuation, the capitalization and the grammar in your post. Never mind your strange allusion to the fact that hell has frozen over. Other than that: that was like a great comment, man!
  --GJ--
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james, 25 Sep 2009 @ 6:51am

Why not
What happens if somebody just submitted comments using say somebody else email address? Easy enough to do... More importantly how long before the students figure that out and start posting hateful comments about the dean from his email address?
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Bob V (profile), 25 Sep 2009 @ 6:53am

I would be interested in know what the final outcome of many of these lawsuits to reveal anonymous posters is. I'm assuming at least in theory the intent is get the names then force them to make reparations for their crimes against whoever was offended. Do a large portion of these cases actually go to trial, and if so how often are the posters shown to be in the wrong.
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- John Doe, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:34am
  
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  Yes, what exactly happens to all the people who are outed? Do they get their bottoms spanked? Jail time? Timeout?
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- Anonymous Coward, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:58am
  
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  The purpose is probably to retaliate. Ie: make their jobs more difficult, fire the under false pretext, prevent them from advancing, and make it harder for them to get a new job.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:59am
    
    Re: Re:
    Not to mention, ensure they don't get inside information so they don't tell anyone (I even seen an episode of the Simpsons about this where Homer gave everyone inside info over the net and was anonymous and when people found out it was Homer people were quiet around him).
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John Doe, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:32am

I don't know how Google handles all the legal cases before it. It seems they are being ordered by one court or another in one country or another to do this or that all the time. Not county the actual suits against it. How can any company survive long term in the business climate we have today? And it appears to only be getting worse.
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Jesse, 25 Sep 2009 @ 9:31am

They did call him a fraud. Not that I'm in favour of the outcome...but in the academic world that is a pretty serious acusation.
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mertz, 25 Sep 2009 @ 1:45pm

york doesn't really need to do this, and they know it. they are doing it though probably because they know that their reputation hasn't been doing so well and that they don't need any other unecessary press (although i have to admit that a lot of people i know do go on ratemyteacher to say both good and bad things about their teachers and sometimes with their actual names instead on being an anonymouse), yet this still does them no good. this just seems so unecessary. nice to see google bent over again. i wonder what york did to get this before a judge and have the judge side with them.
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Vincent Clement, 25 Sep 2009 @ 4:36pm

York's reputation took a major hit with a recent prolonged and bitter strike. This will not help attract top academics.
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Anonymous, 25 Sep 2009 @ 7:11pm

York= fraud
All students who were thinking of attending York, pass this info: York is a fraud, and not only because of its new "overinflated" dean.

A Professor
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