Can A Radio Station Give Away Tickets To A Football Game? The Eagles Say No...
from the right-of-first-sale dept
We've noted the trend of trying to cut down on scalping by using e-tickets to stop the transfer of tickets, but it appears that the Philadelphia Eagles football team also is trying to stop radio stations from doing promotional giveaways. The team has sued the owner of the radio station, saying that the terms on the back of the ticket forbid the use of the tickets for commercial purposes -- such as contests -- and also that the station is violating the Eagles' trademarks in naming them around the ticket giveaway promotion. This raises a bunch of questions about the right of first sale on a ticket. While the stadium may have the right to forbid entry to anyone, it seems like that would be a dumb move on the team's part. My guess is that the team's main concern is that it only wants partner (i.e., those who paid a ton for broadcast rights) radio stations to give away tickets -- but that doesn't mean there's a legal right there. If the tickets were legitimately bought, why shouldn't the station be able to sell them or give them away? And, considering that the radio station was accurately describing the team when using the name, that shouldn't be a trademark violation.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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You Bought it You Own It
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Eagles tickets...
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Cobblers!
There is no suggestion in the Eagles' complaint that the tickets were not bought legitimately.
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Thats why he said "if" and not "because".
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Why are companies so bipolar about advertising?
"I'll give you a dollar for that candy."
"You can have it for free."
"No! You have to pay me to take it!"
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You might have legally purchased the piece of paper
Under all the legalese though (at least on my tickets) is usually a coupon to some fast food joint that I can use after the game. That makes up for it...
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Re: You might have legally purchased the piece of paper
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Who care...
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Devil's Advocate
What if they aren't selling you a ticket? When if they are renting you a seat at a game and the ticket is proof of your completed rental agreement?
Also, don't tickets usually have a bunch of legally questionable cruft on the back of them? Why not use a pen and mark it up. If the ticket taker doesn't object then you have new terms of use.
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Somebody, please, ask a lawyer
Is this akin to the shrink-wrap "agreement" on software?
Can I attach a label to my cradit (or debit) card saying acceptance of this card as payment renders all other restrictions related to the sale and use of the item null and void, and have any hope of it being upheld in a court of law?
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One would think...
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Will It Even Get To Court?
I worked at a local NYC tv station & once we made the mistake of including NY Mets tickets in a contest. the Mets, the MLB & a gang of lawyers attacked claiming all the things that Eagles have claimed.
At the end of the day, it wasn't the legal pressure that got us to fold, it was the threat of limiting our access to the team. As a news station, that would have been death for our sports dept. In most cases when media entities run afoul of major league anything, it's access that the teams use as leverage before lawsuits.
So aside from a bunch of crappy oldies & pop stations on the Jersey shore, does the NFL have any access leverage with which to pressure Equity Communications, LP. Guess we'll find out.
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Make it apparent why they are no longer being included tell the truth.
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It is the eagles
Ticket giveaway's to eagles game should be banned. Actually the eagles should be banned but that is not the topic of this thread.
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Commercial Purposes
The back of the ticket says that it "may not be used for advertising, promotion, or other commercial purposes (including contests, sweepstakes, and giveaways)" without express written consent.
You can do whatever you want with the ticket, including give it away, as long as you do not use it to promote or make money for your business.
By the way, as far as the "own vs. license" argument, the back of the ticket claims that "This ticket is a revocable license and may be revoked at the sole discretion of the [team] by refunding the price of the ticket."
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first sale doctrine
I'm hoping the decisions in Vernor vs. Autodesk that address first sale will be applied to more than just software. It seems like the kind of crap that the Eagles are trying to pull here would fit in that category.
It's just my opinion, but calling a "sale" a "license" doesn't change the nature of the transaction.
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The Eagles Have It...
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Which would probably end up in Station B trying to get around it by giving away tickets to 'the big game sunday' and not mentioning the Iggles at all.
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Rights that don't really exist
Would they complain if someone donated a couple of tickets as a prize in a local charity raffle?
Would it depend if they "approved" of the charity?
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Once again we see an attempt to conjure into existence a "right" that doesn't really exist in law.
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I'm not sure that I agree in this case. It sounds as if, according to other comments, the ticket denotes several stipulations that the buyer must agree to in order to purchase the ticket, thus a contract is created. If promotion is disallowed under the terms of the contract, then it's disallowed. It's a pretty stupid move IMHO, but I don't see anything technically wrong with the Iggle's position.
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2) No contract can go against the law, so a company cannot revoke the right of first sale.
3) There has to be something else going on here or most (ok, I don't know if it's most) of season tickets sales are illegal. If a company purchases season tickets it's for the express intent of giving them to potential clients or to employees, ether way it's to increase profits for that company.
4) The ticket was payed for, why douse it matter who payed for it? At least this way one more fan goes to the game instead of someone going because they didn't want to waste the ticket (if they don't just waste it)
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It's the frakin' Eagles!
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"EAGLES" = "GREED"
Any of the reasons mentioned here or by Eagles are not a reason for this hostile behavior. If I shloud watch for a lawyer on the bench behind me making notes, I would prefer to find some other amusement than a stadium visit.
Radio station mentioned here is in abusive relationship with the Eagles.
You folks dont realise it, but me coming to U.S. from communist CS, I see lots of behavior amongs the big media and/or sport franchises like the communist exhibited. Mostly speaking the abuse/misuse of power and law against anyone they didn't like (or felt artificially threatnen by) and being above the law everytime they did someone wrong..
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Give away!
I can't believe the Eagles would make such a frigging big deal out of it!
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10th caller gets license to view Eagles game
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@Greg: Yeah, and you also forget that we cheered when that douche Michael Irvin nearly broke his neck at Vet stadium.
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Most if not all radio stations charge for that shit. Morons.
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The station was violating the Eagles trademarks by putting their logo's, helmets, pictures of players etc on a bunch of promotional items for the radio station.
If by "promotional items" you mean tickets then yea. Otherwise what the hell are you talking about. I read the first several pages of the complaint via link provided and the only thing they mention is using the tickets to the game for promotional use.
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