Will Three Strikes Ever Really Get Implemented In The UK?
from the might-be-a-long-shot dept
With Peter Mandelson announcing this week (as everyone expected) that he's going to introduce a proposal to kick file sharers off the internet under a "three strikes" plan, it's been amusing watching defenders of this idea try and fail to answer the question "how will this make people buy more stuff." Over and over again people explain to us why it'll decrease file sharing (something I actually doubt for a variety of reasons that I'll explore later), but no one has explained how it will make more people buy stuff.But, perhaps an even bigger question is whether or not it will ever actually get implemented in the UK. TalkTalk, the ISP that has been fighting the proposal for a while (and even gave a nice demonstration to show why IP addresses are not accurate in figuring out who's responsible for online activity) is now saying that it will take legal action to block such a proposal from being put in place, saying that it's a violation of human rights to kick people offline based on accusations, rather than due process.
On top of that, the idea is already incredibly unpopular with the majority of people in the UK... and (most importantly) there's an election coming up soon in the UK. Backing a massively disliked proposal to kick people off the internet based on accusations using weak evidence... probably isn't a savvy political move at this moment. Given all of that, I'm wondering if the plan ever really moves forward in the UK, or if it just makes a lot of noise so that Mandelson and his colleagues can tell the entertainment industry how they tried, to make sure the political donations keep coming in.
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Skeptical
I'm skeptical of how unpopular this really is. I know I think it's insane, and others that I pay attention too think it is, but the layman is blissfully unaware as usual, perhaps?
"Oh, he supported that 'Help Music/The Arts' bill, good for him, I'll vote for him." - Average Stupid Twat
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Re: Skeptical
FYI
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The question is how many people care about it enough to change their vote!
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I think it is crazy
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Wrong question really
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Re: Wrong question really
People will simply:
- pirate anyway, using encryption and private systems
- listen to less music (would the industry consider this a success? seems a bit backwards...)
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Err...take them out to dinner.
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There's an election coming up soon...
Now would be the time to make unpopular decisions.
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Give up already
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The incredible thought process of Mandelson
I definitely will be more careful to cut back on purchases of products made in the UK, which includes TV Programs, and when I see someone making a purchase of something I know originates from the UK, I will be sure to share the story of Peter Mandelson.
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Re: The incredible thought process of Mandelson
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Here's the rub: if the police don't want to treat it as a crime, it is exceedingly difficult to get something going through that side of the legal system, which would bring "due process". Copyright violations on the other hand operate from another set of rules, which can require very quick action that has little to do with due process.
In fact, due process in real world time would be something like a lifetime permission slip for internet users, it would take so long to process (years) that by then, they are possibly no longer offending in that manner.
The process to take action against copyright violators needs to be on a speed level with the speed of the violations. Real world speed here is way too slow to handle the reality.
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Screw human rights, ethics, good business sense, or justice. We can't afford those things when we've got COPYRIGHT VIOLATORS to catch!
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The concept is simple: Stop the crime from happening while the courts take their leisurely time figuring it out. If you don't, then it can takes years to turn off a copyright violator, effectively allowing them to continue to violate without restriction.
You could say "screw copyright, screw their business, screw respect, screw the laws of the land, we got MUSIC TO SHARE!".
Don't be foolish.
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And I hope you're ready to pay compensation when you inevitably get it wrong.
Be realistic.
Technically you cannot stop people from violating your precious copyrights. You can waste a lot of resources victimising some "guilty" and a few innocents.
Given the reality of effectively infinite music storage the internet is no longer necessary for filesharing. 10-12 years ago in the early Napster days my hard drive could hold around 2% of my CD collection. Now it could hold 20x my CD collection even uncompressed! A few more years and it will hold all the music ever recorded. Technically it's no longer necessary to be discriminating about what you keep.
You should remember that copyright is not a right. It's a deal with the public. If the public wants to change the deal then they can. Ultimately they call the shots.
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Ah, but it is, and it has little to do with the internet. It has to do with sue process.
You see, at leat in the US, we have this notion that it's better to let guilty people go free than to punish the innocent. Without due process, the innocent are much more likely to be punished.
That's a human rights issue.
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Right
Joe public may be unaware in general i only know of it being on the BBC technology section of their site the announcement was not on the evening news on TV nor any national radio news. a few local stations picked up on it including ours. (as you know mike)and a few broadsheet news papers i cant say about the sun or others as i dont read comics.
the above is from memory so please feel free to correct me if i missed something.
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any Brits in Lancashire
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WHY YOU ALL SHOULD CARE
HOW YOU going to stop that kind a shit from happening.
Once you are accused ( from ip spoofing to mac address spoofing for wireless ) you are done.
ENJOY NO INTERNET
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