UK Gov't Official: Innocent People Won't Get Kicked Off The Internet; Trust Us
from the we're-from-the-gov't-and-we're-here-to-help-Hollywood dept
With all of the concern over the proposed bill in the UK to kick file sharers off the internet based on accusations (not convictions), some have been raising concerns about innocent users kicked off the internet. Culture Minister Sion Simon has hit back at those claims insisting that the innocent won't be kicked offline. Really. Trust us. Or something like that. The main reason he claims that it won't impact the innocent is because multiple letters will be sent and there will be an "appeals" process. Of course, that ignores the fact that this could still be quite a disruption in someone's life. If they're falsely accused, they risk losing their internet access and have to fight an appeal? That could be costly in terms of both time and money. And, of course, we've already seen, with other similar threats, that the warning letters sometimes get sent to the wrong address or wrong person and get ignored entirely.
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Well why didnt they say so.
Was that so hard?
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What
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What's wrong with people?
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What's wrong with people?
Anyway...
Don't people know the government would NEVER lie to them. They only want what's best for us. Nothing bad could possibly happen. Why can't people see that?
Oh wait, the collective history of the world, nevermind.
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Re: What's wrong with people?
personally, I hate my lenovo keyboard cuz the arrow keys are right next to the "back" button -- so sometimes when I want to move the cursor.. I'll hit "back" by mistake and lose whatever text I was entering. grr!
ok rant off.
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Re: Re: What's wrong with people?
Maybe we can get Himmler Mufflers to buy some ads. I hear they have a $49.99 "Ach-tune your engine" special.
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UK Libel Law
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Another well paid tool heard from
Well at least he was properly bought and paid for, I'm sick and tired of hearing from "free" politicians. They're coming for the Raporists!
The one bright spot, at least, is that the EU is requiring an avenue for appeal through judicial review. Hopefully this will be a more tangible justice than the French 3-strikes law in place.
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just like..
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http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+Live+Ban+Reaches+1+Million+Microsoft+Tells+Them+to+Buy+a+Ne w+Console/article16812.htm
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Example. When I buy a movie from Itunes, the downloads take an insanely long time - as long as three hours. If someone was monitoring my data usage, it would look like I was either a bandwith hog or a bootleg downloader.
What about streaming movies on Netflix? This activity must consume a lot of bandwidth. If my American ISP were to start the same kind of policy as the UK companies, does this mean I'm going to get warning letters from my ISP, making me responsible for proving that I wasn't doing anything illegal? The whole thing seems ridiculous.
I also upload data and music files to a third-party storage service for my Google G1. From my home computer, I send files to a virtual drive that I can later access on my G1. Some of these files are huge. Right now this is just 'Gee-whiz look what I can do with my G1' and doesn't serve any useful purpose, but from my home computer, I'm uploading a hell of a lot of data. If the ISP decides to crack down on what they think are data bootleggers, do I have to prove that I really was uploading music I paid for, pictures of my cats (stop laughing), and data files that I created? Doesn't this also bring up real privacy issues?
That's my data, and without a search warrant or a court order, I don't believe that I should have to let my ISP peruse my subdirectories of stupid cat photos, with the data being stored with a third-party private storage service that I pay for and not hosted on my ISP.
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Re: What rights do you think you have?
If you don't like it, you can stop using them. If enough people stop using them, they MIGHT change their ToS...
But there are usually more than enough sheep out there who blindly agree to whatever the ToS is and don't WANT to know what's really going on.
They are sheep. They are cattle.
They should be put out into fields and made to eat grass.
Mooo!
Bahhhhh!!
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Can't wait to see all the shared, padded files full of gibberish characters going across the networks, cleverly designed to be about the same size as the verboten stuff and transmitted in the same way. Perfectly legal to do that, of course, and it can be done pretty much constantly. I wonder how long something like that would have to be kept up before the rules change back to something sensible?
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Re: Re: What rights do you think you have?
Oh yeah through an ISP. Did it one of three ways probably,
At work on their network in which case you should probably go back to work and just shut your hole. I'm sure they don't pay you to troll Techdirt.
At home on a wireless network somebody else pays for in which case you should get your own and stop freeloading on their dime.
Or you are in fact on the ISP you pay for....in which case I'll see you out in the field eating.
Have a day.
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They won't just ask you if you've stopped beating your wife, oh, no no no! Instead, they'll proudly ask if watching two chicks do it was more exciting than beating your wife when you were married.
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This is so cool !!!!
And to all the members of the RIAA, MPAA, ASCAP, IFPI, SIIA, etc ....
May You Live In Interesting Times .... Big Ole GRIN
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Re: This is so cool !!!!
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Yep - just more reasons to infect other computers for use as proxies.
I suspect - most politicians don't even have a clue that can be done.
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Some of them probably do know this is possible, more than likely on the military/intel community. One possible outcome is that this escalation between downloaders and IP holders will inadvertantly lead to an IRAN style telcom system. Where everything is monitored and deep packet inspection is the norm and not the exception. This outcome scares and offends me.
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Pointless!
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Does anyone think the safe guards the UK puts in place to weed out the innocent will actually be better?!
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Spoofed IP addresses
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Re: Spoofed IP addresses
NOT THAT IM VINDICATING THIS ACTION... although it would be pretty cool/funny/appropriate and im pretty sure it would prove a point to the idiots we have in government!
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Stalin would be so proud of you all ....
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hackers of the world
aim....
HACK THE UK
haha
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UK GOV HUH
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Now that legislation is frequently used by local councils to spy on people they suspect of fly tipping or dog fouling.
As Mike Allen said about, I wouldn't trust them to give me the correct time of day.
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(this should be viewed as if i am not remotely tech-savvy, much like the majority of internet users)
if someone hacks into my wireless, uses my connection to download pirated content and i get a warning letter.
if i dont know what im looking for (ie "my network places" router network details etc), how do i prove that its not me downloading?!
are the government now going to start employing (on wages paid by our ever-increasing TAXES) investigators who will come to your house, check your network for you and isolate a hacker...?
surely this cant work... if someone else uses their neighbours connection by hacking their network. that neighbour probably wont know how to find out that this is happening!
do the government EVER think about what they suggest?
do they not have experts to advise them on the implications of this policy?
F**king idiots!
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Trust UK government?
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take a step back and consider the ol' mixtape
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Run for your lives!!!
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