Remix Culture Is About The Culture As Much As The Remix
from the killing-culture dept
Over the weekend, I finally got to watch the film Copyright Criminals (after having seen clips and a discussion about the film at the Fair Use Film Screening put on by Public Knowledge back in January). I have to admit, the film was pretty depressing. While it may seem like I pick on lawyers a fair amount, I actually tend to like most lawyers I meet -- but I don't know quite how they did it, but every lawyer who showed up in that film just seemed to ooze smarmy. They appeared to smirk through their interviews, as if they knew what they were saying was ridiculous, and the whole thing was all about getting as much money as possible, rather than having anything to do with fairness or creating art. Meanwhile, the actual content creators -- they seemed pretty much defeated. They had worked on amazingly innovative and cool projects that had nothing to do with "copying", and everything to do with creating beautiful new works of art that people loved. And they got sued and shut down over and over again. It's a shame. But not just because of the art that wasn't created, but the potential to connect culturally through it.This is a point that often gets overlooked in these discussions -- that art is about more than the creator. We've tangentially discussed this idea in the past, but Julian Sanchez put together a little video last week that does a nice job demonstrating this in about eight minutes:
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"And if you don't see the shame in that, then you're missing a lot. "
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"a night -with someone who- would..."
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"someone"
I give up. Time to go sleep.
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Re: Moh Oh Oh Ron.
You should try to think instead of just puking out words.
Actually, no, don't, it will hurt your brain when you realize how fucking dumb you are and you'll suffer.
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So sad that you missed the point. I will say that the land under many of the houses in San Fran, you know, "dirt" pretty much turned to water during the last earthquake. I have a feeling that is just out of your trolling grasp.
As for my comments here, the intent is to point out that there are plenty of things that we would like to do in life that would make us happy, but to do them we have to displease others or break the law. I am sure I would have a good time, but to do it I would have to break moral restrictions and risk the legal implications on their marriage, etc.
Just because it's possible doesn't mean it is right.
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You say this EVERY time as if its everyone ELSE'S FAULT for not "getting it." Since almost NO one seems to get your points, perhaps you should MAKE BETTER POINTS. The problem, it would seem, is you.
"I will say that the land under many of the houses in San Fran, you know, "dirt" pretty much turned to water during the last earthquake. I have a feeling that is just out of your trolling grasp."
Wow do you even UNDERSTAND the processes that cause that sort of situation? Its not like the dirt just suddenly released some massive amount of PENT UP WATER or something. The water doesnt come FROM the dirt. The quake shakes so hard the dirt essentially loses cohesion (that means, it doesnt stick together anymore and becomes porus (that means things pass through it)) and the water MOVES THROUGH this with less resistance, saturating the area. The water comes from SOMEWHERE ELSE. It didnt "turn" to water.
You are incredibly stupid, really.
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And here I thought You'd been reading what It posts. I'm actually kinda disappointed that, after all this time, you'd still entertain even the merest fantasy of that sort.
After all, according to TAM, not even the notional "expiration" of copyright should count as an end to the monopoly. They can just "claw" the cultural "product" back, by re-monopolizing it, at whim.
I used to think TAM was probably a paid corporate shill, but now I'm not so sure, if for no other reason than you'd think corporate front-groups would use somebody who could actually formulate coherent statements of principle.
Yet more TAM-fail. *yawn*.
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BULLSHIT!
Quit putting lies in my mouth.
I answered all of your questions on that before. If something is still under copyright and copyright is extended, it remains under copyright. If something had gone to the public domain, it should stay in the public domain, even if copyright is extended after the fact.
My opinion of you just got lower again. Quit making stuff up about me.
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That's our TAMMY!
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as any well-versed pr/lobbyist/shill professional will note, your point is to disrupt, derail, create turbulence. constructive discussion has nothing to do with your mission.
hearteningly, this community is surely beginning to just talk past your baiting as inevitably happens to such persistent agitators.
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So to use your analogy it would go more like this: You sleep with your neighbors wife. He finds out and figures, let me make a quick buck of it, and tells you to pay him every time you sleep with his wife. He then Aquires the schedule of other pretty women near by and sells them for some cash while their hubbies are out working. Now he is making all the cash and it's not even his wife anymore.
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culture as our common touchstone
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Property rights are limited (you can actually have a pig farm in the middle of a suburb and you can paint your house fuschia ONLY IF the developer/owner of the suburb lets you; and welll... the government can do anything), but so is copyright, i.e. fair use, parody, and public domain allows others to use copies of the work.
People decide how they interpret things and draw inspiration from them. But that doesn't mean that if I wanted to create something from the Mona Lisa that I should be able to grab it, cut it up and turn it into a t-shirt. I agree with TAM to the extent that simply because we can, doesn't mean we should.
Copyright, for me, is not about exploiting a monopoly, but protecting the integrity of the work and the artist. Compulsory licenses allow others to re-record songs while paying royalties to the original songwriter. Other than that, artists should be able to have the right to refuse to have their music be in a shitty hipster 80's fan video (with all due respect, of course). If an artist could not be guaranteed that their art won't be used in some gay-bashing, Nazi-promoting film, what kind of silencing effect would that have on the creative community? If I couldn't control the way my art is presented to the world, then what do I really have?
What I got from the video is that those who want their copyrighted works to be used by fans and by others can do so, just give them permission. In regards to music, it's the labels who typically do not want others to use music in fear of hurting their profit margin and they're trying to use copyright to do it. It's not working. We need to shift away from the idea that copyright is to intended to be used to protect profit margins, but to protect artists and their works, in addition to foster a growing creative society.
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Oops. Fixed.
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All art is infringement
The lawyers were bad enough. After all, a lawyer's job in most cases it about getting as much money as possible. What really drove me nuts was the guy that sounded like he was some kind of record producer who equated sampling with unoriginal copying. If anyone can do it, as he claimed, why isn't everyone doing it? The simple answer is that many people try and few actually produce an end product that people want to here. Do I think that MC Hammer and Sean Combs are the most original artists out there? No, but they made something that had a good beat and was easy to dance too. And that counts for a lot.
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Social Change vs Sony
Apparently Sony will discard a lot of employees in America(the big pirate hub of the world), the home entertainment and IT divisions will bear the brunt.
Funny thing though, even with record income they still will lose money.
I'm not weeping for Sony.
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Copyright Criminals License
We show movies at our church, for which we have bought a blanket license. If "Copyright Criminals" had listed a non-commercial public performance license on their web site, I might have bought a copy and set up a screening with an announcement on MeetUp.
You'd think that based on the subject of the film, they might have thought to provide a more liberal (and easy to find) license.
Oh well ... I'm moving on.
Peace,
Rob:-]
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Re: Copyright Criminals License
Yeah, the filmmaker explained why they went a more traditional route in his talk. I don't remember the exact reason, but I think it had to do with the effort to get it shown on PBS (yes, this is silly).
But if you are looking for films of that nature that do have permissive licenses, check out Rip: A Remix Manifesto:
http://www.ripremix.com/
It's really well done.
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