North Face Decides South Butt Lawsuit Is Not Worth Exploring
from the that's-where-they-stop-exploring dept
The lawsuit between North Face and South Butt sure was entertaining (especially the filings by South Butt's lawyer). However, with the North Face getting some pretty bad publicity over its tactics, which seemed to focus more on embarrassing the founder of the South Butt and his father, it looks like the North Face has realized this was one lawsuit not worth exploring.Late Friday, the two sides settled -- and while the terms of the settlement appear to be under wraps, there's no indication that the South Butt is going away any time soon:
The most recent post on South Butt's Facebook page, meawhile, states that founder Jimmy Winkelmann, a freshman biomedical engineering student at the University of Missouri, was "partying hard in Panama City with South Butt." Watkins said the settlement did not prevent his client from handing out merchandise while in Florida on spring break.Just imagine how much better things would have worked out if the North Face hadn't lawyered up over this, but had simply talked to the South Butt guys and worked out a friendly deal in the first place?
"Jimmy was down in Panama City having a great deal of fun, enjoying a number of young ladies who enjoyed themselves donning and sporting South Butt wear," Watkins says. "He immediately returned to Panama City to give away many more T-shirts."
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But lawyers are starting to run this country, and when the lawyers tell you that you need to lawyer up, 99 times out of 100 more people are going to listen to the lawyer than to common sense.
Damn shame, really.
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Lawyers are not bad
This dispute does a good job at demonstrating how valuable PR is to the public. Educated consumers (like those who purchase North face) will undoubtedly know about the south butt issue, and lawyers in the future will advise their client not to make the "north face mistake"
I am currently in law school and love this area of law... www.fameappeal.com
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We don't know what advice was given, but the decision was to litigate. The lawyers may have advised against that course of action, but I'm guessing not.
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Um, the lawyers are also advising their client whether or not they should litigate.
Don't get me wrong, it is ultimately up to the client, but if the North faces' lawyers had been working for free this case would likely have been settled without seeing a court room.
Good luck with law school and I hope you choose to work for the people over the money.
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I've been hearing that for years. And years. Just last year, we were told that lawyers finally understood this and wouldn't do things like this in the future:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090405/1832594397.shtml
How did that work out?
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No I am glad of the lawsuit
AND
I learned what shits North butt are (ooop soory north face I do not wnat to cause any confusion), and that i will never buy any of their products.
So i see two positives from this mess.
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About the headline...
Exploring? Um...isn't the exploration stage long gone by the time a lawsuit is actually filed? The headline sounds like some euphamistic PR blather from North Face rather than an accurate description of what actually happened.
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Streisand
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I am starting a new line of t shirts
East Tit
and
West Tit
Remember the limes call birds tits, but I like my birds to have tits.
;P
East Tit and West Tit are copyrighted under the provision of law where bob likes tits SP.
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Big Company playing ddddumbbbb
Any publicity is good publicity.
In this case both companies ended up winning; which is good for business.
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What compromise?
What are the SF guys going to say? "Oh, sorry, making millions IS a bad idea. We'll just go back to that job we hate."? I know someone who makes parody t-shirts and items and he attempts to provoke this kind of suit just for the attention, it increases sales and gives him something else to point at and say "Oh, Yeah, they deserve my mocking. look at what A$$#@!3$ they are." If he got that call, he'd find some way to bait them just before hanging up on them.
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Also, personal WooHoo to me because I'm sure it was my ongoing email dialog with The North Face PR person(s) that made them change their mind.
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Does anybody think before they type?
If you worked for North Face you would be furious. Stop picking sides and realize Winkelman should have had a few shirts and a good joke, not company.
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Re: Does anybody think before they type?
The lawyers "should have" advised their clients they were pursuing a fruitless endeavour that could only result in a non-existent competitor gaining more publicity.
North face "should have" stopped being bullies right from the get-go, instead of thinking that massive pockets and heavy-handed legal tactics could squash everything they wanted.
How about you stop picking sides, and actually pay attention to the law at hand?
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Say your a lawyer, your client is North Face. They pay you, you go to court. Since when does taking less money and deciding not to go to court make sense in a seemingly non-sense case. No one is getting hurt here, except some feelings. And well now, your self as your point you tried to make is a copy and past of the last 10 posts. GOOD ONE!
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Man, if public tax dollars were being spent to oversee this case, you could make the argument that the lawyers owe it to society not to participate in frivolous cases like this one.
However, since it is all happening in a privately-funded court system, no one from the public has the right to be angry if the court's time and money is wasted on a case like this.
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Wrong.
"Sort of the same idea when you get hired for a job and sign the confidentiality document that states you will not start your own company using ideas or clients from your current one."
If by "same idea" you mean "completely different situation" and "I have no idea what I'm talking about" then sure, they're the same idea.
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If they make a decision that harms a business, does that not make them fair game? Just curious. Or are we not allowed to criticize anyone "just doing their job"? Please explain, since you seem to know the rules.
And are we really all for this Winkelman because he is the small business young entrepreneur and North Face is a large billon dollar company?
Now, we're "all for" Winkelman because what TNF did made little sense from either a legal or business standpoint.
The little bastard stole a logo and created a very funny play on words, and should be rewarded lightly.
He stole nothing.
If you worked for North Face you would be furious.
Being furious is not a reason for a misguided lawsuit. In fact, if you file lawsuits because you are furious, you will quickly find yourself in trouble. Which is what happened to the North Face.
Stop picking sides
Ah, yes. "Don't have an opinion!" Very convincing.
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And yes people just doing there fucking job is an excellent excuse. ITS THEIR FUCKING JOB DICKWEED.
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Logos
The North Face Logo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_The_North_Face.png
The South Butt Logo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/The_South_Butt_logo.png
Are curved line segments the exclusive domain of THF now? If that's so, then there are many companies who would beg to differ.
Now, as to their claim of exclusivity, here is what Wiki says about their logo:
"The North Face's logo consists of a slightly skewed quarter-circle with two lines running within it. This image is an interpretation of Half Dome, a massive granitic monolith in Yosemite National Park,[4] viewed from the west, with the sheer north (or northwest) face of Half Dome to the left." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_North_Face
Since when did the silhouette of Yosemite's Half Dome become TNF's property? Last time I was there I'm pretty sure I was in a *public* national park. Where is my cut for decades of profit?
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Have you even seen the two logos? They are very, very different except for the font. Stop trolling.
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what to do going forward... the lesson to think about..
Sweatshirts are now 80 years old and hardly ever used for sweating as they were first intended to be used.
Fleece, while invented to be used as an outdoor sweater now almost 30 years later has become the corporate icon of marketing business brands.
No matter what trademark or saying is presented in what is clearly marketing these iconic designs, the fact that this got into a shameless fight of lawyers poking out people and their businesses, suggests that both sides need to get real about how much it costs to be in business, pay fair wages to employees and do something worthwhile for the economy of America.
Nothing can do that better in todays world than a message on a tee shirt.
At least that is what the world has decided to do with tee shirts at this time in our evolution of wearing clothing and having a voice of choice.
If Jimmy wants to stay in the clothing business his path challenges far more than a parody of words.
If North Face wants to be a world leader in exploring it is time to explore new ways of keeping you outdoors while the environment lives a sustainable way of life.
Stop exploring political clothing...
Hopefully the lesson learned will green up the planet not a bank account in a lawyers check book.
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Good For South Butt
Give this kid a break he came up with a novel idea and a big corporate bully who was so afraid that joe consumer would get the two confused...give me a break. Unless Joe was brain dead I think he would know the difference between the two companies.
As far as I am concerned I will never buy another North Face product and there Yuppie status will surely DIE the sooner the better. LONG LIVE SOUTH BUTT!!!
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Albert Watkins
America was built by creativity and entrepreneurism. For an industry giant to try to bury this kid was wrong. No one with a functioning brain would have confused buying warm mountain climbing gear with a fun parody. Winkelman should thank NorthFace as he ultimately sell more goods than had NorthFace stuck to what they do best.
I for one won't be as likely be buy NorthFace now, in fact, I think my favorite Under Armor could use some parody, Jimmy, how about your next line....Under Amore sexy lingerie?
Albert Watkins has been my attorney for years, taking on another giant when every personal injury attorney in St. Louis turned me down, despite my daughter spending 7 days in the ICU, under going 5 surgeries and a 8 inch gash on her 10 inch forearm and $45,000 in medical bills. All from a for profit restaurant play area fall. Sadly I was told "a white kid from West County would never win this case and _____ would spend millions making sure they didn't lose.
Well thankfully Albert Watkins has balls, large brass balls to quote him and he isn't afraid to use them to fight for the underdog.
Lawyers in general may have a bad rep but Albert Watkins is poetic, honorable and loves law because of the true justice that it is suppossed to bring the injured party.
Albert, well done my friend. From all of us underdogs, YOU ROCK!
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lawyered up???
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