Verizon CEO In A State Of Denial: Pretends Broadband Is Great... But Also Says He Wants To 'Throttle' Heavy Users
from the that'll-go-over-well dept
It would appear that Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg is in a bit of denial. While it's true that there are many different ways to rank broadband by country -- and pretty much all of them are flawed -- in general the US tends to rank about 15th on a variety of different studies. But Seidenberg is hearing none of that. When asked about it, he insists that the US is clearly number one in broadband and that it's "not even close." Though, as you read the details, he sort of switches back and forth between wireless and wireline -- and in wireless, it's at least a little trickier. But, no matter what, the "not even close" statement is not even close to reality.What may be even bigger, though, was Seidenberg's separate claim that the company is going to throttle video users:
But when we now go after the very, very high users, the ones who camp on the network all day long every day doing things that -- who knows what they're doing -- those are the --Now that's a pretty questionable statement. Just as the government is having a big showdown over net neutrality, to have the CEO of one of the main telcos saying he's planning to throttle video users -- something that Verizon lobbyists have been saying would never happen -- seems like a potentially damaging slip up.
MURRAY: It's video, right? I mean, it's video.
SEIDENBERG: But those are the people we will throttle and we will find them and we will charge them something else.
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Non Sequitur?
He could be alluding to 'throttle' as in 'to have one's hands around subject's neck whilst squeezing and shaking subject in a vigorous fashion."
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Where will you go?
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The same thing was done in the mid west as a trial and the idea was dropped by the telco-ISP involved because of the uproar. (I couldnt find the link)
better business bureau
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This is why I left Comcast.
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Doing my part to save the Corn Farming Industry
A few years ago, I realized if I bought "unsalted and unbuttered" variety of popcorn, and manually applied the salt and butter, I could make it through half the bag of popcorn before the movie would stop and need to cache. The short break would allow me to go back to the kitchen and apply more "salt and butter-flavored topping" on the second half of the popcorn without getting mad and cursing my ISP. The timing worked great. I got into this habit because of terrible bandwidth and network problems. You know, like Comcast. Remember those frequent popcorn breaks? I'm sure you do. You probably refer to it as "Comcasting your customers" and laugh and laugh while you count your money.
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Self contradiction?
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Did He Even Say That?
Did Seidenberg even say video? Sounds like the interviewer, Murray, said video, and Ivan just continued with his sentence.
Because if he means throttling heavy users, and forcing them into a higher tier, that's his prerogative, and the network is still neutral based on origin of content or type of content traffic.
But if he means specifically throttling video, then he is CHOOSING WHICH TYPES OF CONTENT OR APPS the user can access, and that goes against a neutral network. And I call shenanigans.
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Kind of like it's okay to beat your wife, as long as you're honest about it.
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Bad for customers, yes, but it's not unethical to do something that isn't in your customers' interest, as long as there's no deception or coercion. Competition plus transparency is supposed to take care of businesses that do those things, but we don't have those in broadband.
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As such, I should like to have the option to vote with my dollars, and simply choose one of the many other ISPs. What'sthatyousay? No other ISP in my region? Q@#$@#$!
And that leads me back to calling shenanigans - because I can't say it's illegal.
1) Maybe we'll find a way to get some competition among broadband ISPs. ex: UNE-P. With competition, the free market can't steer the ISPs the right way.
2) Even without competition, the ISPs could choose to remain neutral, to avoid blowback from a potential backlash.
3) If the ISPs don't choose the proper path, then we're gonna need Neutrality regulation which would require them to not interfere between customers and servers, not prioritize certain providers over others, not choose which apps we can use to Tx/Rx bits.
4) We may not get Neutrality regulation in the face of powerful lobbies influencing against consumers who don't understand the issue and congress critters who understand the issue just enough to know "it's a series of tubes". Then we're going to regress back to the AOL model where your ISP selects and edits your content options for you. The ISPs could end up as unfettered editorial gatekeepers for our content access, and the US consumer can just suck it.
I prefer the four options in the order presented.
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Not in some places, nor has it always been so in many other places.
and throttling internet traffic is not obviously either of those things.
Throttling based on content *is* unethical (unless you're ethically challenged, that is).
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What? You've never heard of civil disobedience?
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Seidenberg was going on, Murray interrupted him, Seidenberg stopped, Murray asked a clarifying question and then Seidenberg responded. I would think that Seidenberg's response should be considered to be to the current question. That's the way I see it, anyway.
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More of the same
Comcast is the biggest player and Verizon has the most bandwidth and if they are doing it why would anyone else not do it in an uncompetitive market?
The thing that makes me most want to throw up on this guys shoes is the boasting about how much more per person usage we have and our super advanced tech.
Guess what smart guy, there are about 50 million Americans with these smart phones, blu-ray players, and Ipads who will want to be watching video at the same time in the next year.
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i want what i pay for
if i pay an isp, lets say comcast in this case, for 7mbps, then darnit, I want my allotted 7mbps, does it matter im watching hulu and not fancast? it shouldnt, if i want to watch netflix on my blu-ray instead of my computer(which i can just hook up to my tv anyway, but id rather surf while watching netflix on my blu-ray), what has happened to the internet, i pay for a series of tubes from my house to the rest of the world, who let "comcast" decide where in my house those tubes go, and what i put in those tubes, and whether to deny me my 7mbps tube just because im downloading tube porn to my blu-ray, IM PAYING YOU FOR THE FREAKIN TUBE!!! does the city shut off services to someones house cuz theres too much corn in the pipes? NO! so to ISP'S of the country, PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR TUBES AND GIVE ME WHAT I PAY YOU FOR!!! put that in your corncob pipe and smoke it
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second he doses it they lose massive numbers a customers
they'll go elsewhere or downgrade so shareholders won't be happy....
and agreed if you pay for 20 megabit you get it unthortlted
your not gonna have everyone using that much all time were not all scene uploaders and uploaders in general and we actually have non IT lives to deal with
so like remember that old saying
K.I.S.S.
applies here too don't try and confuse people now adays they associate it to scams
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50's coming back...
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A CEO for a listed company that lies??
What has SEC to say about that? A CEO blatantly lying about the position, competitiveness, and customer needs & preferences of the company? Suggesting that what we sell today is the best in the world, competitively priced and no one wants more. Except a few "hogs" that we are to trottle, even if we said "unlimited" as they signed up.
Smells to me..
BTW, the "hogs" seems to have accumulated in the US, not much talk about them in EU anyway.
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Verizon Account Throttle Back
Verizon is my best choice. I talked to Verizon Wireless about a one time pardon but was denied.
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Probably just bandwidth, we're already used to it down here.
The point of all this is that consumer broadband plans are based on the assumption that people aren't going to be keeping their send/receive lights flashing all day long which means that a heavy peer to peer user can actually cost money to serve (bandwidth here is more expensive though).
The other options are to have an excess usage fee (there have been scandals about AU$10000 fees from a certain ISP due to Kazza (who I'm actually glad to see lose to the record industry) running the background) or to have an acceptable usage policy that doesn't allow you to download 'too much' without actually telling you what 'too much' is (they often define it in comparison with their other customers) until they cut off your connection.
The biggest change though that I see here is a shift to counting download only to counting traffic in both directions, I suspect caused by increasing usage of peer to peer software (the big ISP that sent five figure internet bills was also early on that one as well).
If you want a connection that runs at full speed all the time I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept paying for the data you use.
There's no evidence of evil here.
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