New Zealand Authors Demanding Compulsory Blanket 'You Must Be A Criminal' Internet Charge
from the author-welfare dept
With New Zealand's copyright reform proposal still being discussed, we're hearing about some really ridiculous proposals to make it even worse. We already noted the idea of a full internet ban for users found to be infringing, andThank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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This is a business model...
Once again, your level of rejection astounds me. I continue to hear calls from you and other content-must-be-free folks that there should be some kind of technological solution that allows P2P folks to keep on sharing. The P2P folks always say, "Why can't we just pay one fee each month..." But they never subscribe to Rhapsody. Now you're dismissing another proposal out of hand claiming it's not a business model. Why don't you just admit it: you don't want to pay for anything!
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Ergo, this is not business plan.
In fact, in most countries, this is called begging.
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Since they can't work out for themselves how to make money, they try to turn themselves into some sort of quasi-socialist dictatorship where the government exists to enforce their monopolies on the people.
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This would be Socialism at its purest.
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These bums would get your(well, if you live in NZ) money whether you like it or not.
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Not if they just want the money and still pursue people.
They're not saying "Give us 5 bucks a month and download all you want, legally.". They're saying "Give us 5 bucks a month and you're still doing it illegally."
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Like the people with signs at intersections.
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Tell you what, I will admit that we "don't like paying for anything", right after you admit that you you don't want to work for your money. That you want an artificial payment system that compensates you, your kids, your grandkids, and maybe their kids too, again and again and again for the same work for a very long time.
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This sort of proposal enforces a financial loss on the innocent and a financial gain on the guilty.
Why not jail everyone for a week rather than find the murderer and lock him up for life ?
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>> This sort of proposal enforces a financial loss on the innocent and a financial gain on the guilty.
Like all other taxes. Unemployment fee is perfect example of that.
>> Why not jail everyone for a week rather than find the murderer and lock him up for life ?
Not all crimes are solved, or even investigated.
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The store loses money because they lost physical goods that costs money to produce per good. The collection societies do not pay additional money per extra download and they are not owed a monopoly on anything.
"Like all other taxes. Unemployment fee is perfect example of that."
So then you agree this is a tax. Except this is a tax to failures.
Unemployment is a tax to those who are currently out of a job but were previously working within the recent past. It's to help them out until they get a new job. Those people also played unemployment while they were working and hence contributed to the system as well.
This is a tax to a bunch of parasitic failures that contribute nothing and need to get their own business model. See the difference.
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Thanks for starting by introducing your complete ignorance and/or misunderstanding of the arguments raised here.
"The P2P folks always say, "Why can't we just pay one fee each month..." But they never subscribe to Rhapsody."
That's something of a false dichotomy.
Also, IIRC, Rhapsody is not available to AUS/NZ customers. It's certainly not available to me in Spain (also not in Gibraltar, where I'm checking this from). Likewise, licensing restrictions also prevent me from paying for Hulu, Netflix, Amazon MP3 downloads, etc., etc. I'd happily pay for those if I was *allowed* to, and I'd guess many in the southern hemisphere would agree.
"Now you're dismissing another proposal out of hand claiming it's not a business model."
It's not a business model. There's no proposal as to how the money will be managed and distributed. There's no clarification as to how the people being listened to will get the money, and not some default set of RIAA equivalent incumbents.
There's also no proposed option to opt-out if you don't listen to music at all. If I listen to an independent artist, why should Britney get paid? If I watch an independent British movie, why should a Hollywood studio get paid? Those questions are never answered and they form the bedrock of my objections to these kinds of proposals.
So, it's a tax that you must pay whether or not you use the service being taxed for, and there's no guarantee that the musicians being listened to get paid, etc. How in hell is that a business model?
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This should be strongly condemned.
This is not a mechanism to legality, it is a punishment tax on everyone to grab free money without having to give anything in return besides a bad attitude.
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I mean everyone who gets on the internet is a thief and should be made to pay. They must all be thieves. I mean even you are a thief. God knows if you the "Frank Almighty" is a thief then we all must be.
Hey I have an idea Frank. Fuck you.
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You're easily astounded?
I continue to hear calls from you and other content-must-be-free folks that there should be some kind of technological solution that allows P2P folks to keep on sharing.
I am not and have never been a "content-must-be-free" person, and I don't know anyone who is. Who are you talking about?
The P2P folks always say, "Why can't we just pay one fee each month..."
I've also never said this, and actually pointed out why such proposals are bad.
But they never subscribe to Rhapsody.
So, one example of a highly limited, crappy service that people don't want to pay for is evidence?
Now you're dismissing another proposal out of hand claiming it's not a business model.
A business model involves two people/organizations agreeing to exchange goods and services. It does not involve the gov't mandating that everyone pay. As others have pointed out, that's a tax. A tax is not a business model except (perhaps) for the government.
Why don't you just admit it: you don't want to pay for anything!
Not at all. As I've mentioned repeatedly, I pay for all sorts of stuff quite willingly -- especially for content creators I like. I have no problem paying for stuff when it makes sense.
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Agreed.
"As others have pointed out, that's a tax. A tax is not a business model except (perhaps) for the government."
Its not a you must be a thief tax, its a you must be an idiot tax for allowing your government to do this.
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Frank, please tell me you are a troll, and not a complete idiot.
Once again, your level of rejection astounds me.
Apparently, you are EASILY astounded, since this is a NO BRAINER. Your earlier acertion that this is a business model is astounding. Do me a favor... go... pick up a book on business and read it. Figure out what a business model REALLY is... then, come back and apologize... then, we may take you some what seriously.
I continue to hear calls from you and other content-must-be-free folks that there should be some kind of technological solution that allows P2P folks to keep on sharing.
Really? What you usually find here is people trumpeting to make the infinite free (since it's infinite) and charge for the scarce.
The P2P folks always say, "Why can't we just pay one fee each month..." But they never subscribe to Rhapsody.
Rhapsody is a FAILED business model. Probably not best to point to it as an example. It had a number of issues with it which are too numerous to list, but if you go back and do some research they will pop out.
Now you're dismissing another proposal out of hand claiming it's not a business model.
Please enlighten us as to the exact business model this bill is proposing. Please show the listed payouts to authors, artist and other creators. Show us the compensation plans... how much does each get. Is it per work? How often are they compensated? How much does the government take off the top? How much do the OTHER middlemen get? Does any money actually make it to the ACTUAL rights holder?
You get back to us on that and then... maybe... if you've read up on Business 101 and know what a REAL business model is (heck, if you can just say "Supply and Demand") we MAY (some of us at least) give you further time of day.
Why don't you just admit it: you don't want to pay for anything!
So untrue. I can name tons of things I pay for. Things that have real value. I just bought lunch. Yup... and I think it was slightly overpriced, but it was nearby and I was in a hurry, so I paid the extra to save time.
That's why they CAN charge those prices... because they found an area with customers who will pay to get good food quickly.
We don't mind paying... we just want to pay for what we want... not for what we don't. I don't want to pay a straight "tax" to authors I don't read. Sorry. No. They did nothing worthy of my money.
I don't want to pay for music I don't listen to. Again, they have not contributed meaningfully to my existance, so no... they don't get my money.
I want to decide who I patronize and who I don't. That's freedom. That's what I want.
You want slavery. You want to round up people, but them into shackles and force them to do your bidding.
Go back under your bridge little troll and dream your dreams of enslaving the world.
We will fight for our freedom.
Long live the fighters!
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Woops.
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Form a Bank Instead
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Careful what you wish for
I love this line from the article "ensure rights holders were compensated for infringements, including undetected offences. " Yes, I believe my book has been downloaded 10 million times, can I please have my share of the licensing fee? Proof? No, those downloads were undetected. Now have the money wired to my LA office please. I have a PAC meeting to go to.
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You could assume that, but it wouldn't prevent a lawsuit or "pre-settlement letter".
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Oh no, no mo' Nicole!
No mo' shrimp on the 'barby.
Be happy if you are from New Zealand.
No more moving to the United States to be cool and successful.
You will just be another s****y Australian.
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