Clueless Commentators Think That It's Possible To Stop Wikileaks
from the good-luck-with-that dept
Marc Thiessen is a former Bush speechwriter, who seems to have tried to make a second career out of saying really clueless things as loudly as possible. Lately he's been on a rampage against Wikileaks, first suggesting that it somehow made sense to use US military power to track down and capture Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. This resulted in a reporter pointing out that Thiessen's response to Wikileaks is like the RIAA's response to Napster: destined to backfire due to a basic misunderstanding of the internet.Apparently Thiessen either didn't read or understand that response. Or, perhaps in the business of being loud and wrong, he just doesn't care. He's since written a few more pieces attacking Wikileaks, including directly blaming it for an Afghan tribal leader being killed... though in the very next sentence he admits he doesn't know if that had anything to do with Wikileaks. Accuse first, find out the truth later, huh?
But, last Friday, Thiessen moved things up a notch on the RIAA-repeatifier, and suggested that with Assange's recent promise to release the remaining 15,000 documents in the recent collection -- after scrubbing them of identifying information -- the US should somehow "shut down" Wikileaks. Yeah, good luck with that. Kevin Poulsen, over at Wired, does a nice job educating Thiessen once again on what a clueless statement that is. You can't just shut down Wikileaks, and any attempt to do so would only get the material in question significantly more attention.
First of all, a US court once tried to shut down Wikileaks over a minor issue which, in turn, got the documents in question a lot more attention and eventually resulted in a dropped lawsuit. But, more importantly, for the brief time that the site was supposed to be blocked, it didn't take long for many, many, many people around the world to make sure it was not blocked at all. Just imagine the response if the US federal government tried to shut down Wikileaks? It would get a tremendous amount of attention, and would do absolutely nothing to stop the dissemination of the files in question.
It's amazing that anyone can claim to be knowledgeable about these things and suggest a brute force solution that would so obviously backfire. But, then again, the RIAA did do the same sort of thing for nearly a decade, and still is so dizzy from the backlash that it hasn't figured out what it did wrong.
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thiessen / WL
this crazy pip gets his answers, regardless if he plays not knowing about it, the world cliks and reads them.
http://shortlinks.de/4rkf just an example of those many pages sampling the answers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/02/AR2010080202627_Comments. html - direct link to the comment page.
just take some seconds and see if ya can count all those comments there...
anyway. this crazy pip thiessen is stealing newspaper place from those people who know about journalism and can present reasons to be called so. this PR pip is simply stealing pro journalists' money, I hope that WP finally stops with this stupid stuff which can make quite some readers finally loose patience with that newspaper.
pips want quality, not middle age stuff which is neither a journalists' result nor a journalistic content of any kind. they want to see professionalism, even in the united states.
i appeal to the WP staff to finally stop abusing their readers with publishing that crazy pips middle age cheap PR texts. even if he pays WP like millions for publishing every one of them - the readers they could lose if they go on might be finally more worth taking care for, just like basics in journalism - to clearly differenciate between PR (in this case, OIL texas chick middle age PR) and professional journalism.
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Brain Damage
The proof just keeps rolling in.
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SO I say let them prattle on. Let them take down Wikileaks. It does more for its goals than ignoring it ever would.
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The war on...
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Redundancy and Deadman Switch
Second, even if it did, I understand that the enter collection of leaked documents was already published as an encrypted archive. It's an insurance policy in case that site _does_ somehow suffer and go offline. The password can be easily published to open up the rest of the documents.
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Re: Redundancy and Deadman Switch
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Good Luck With That ... NOT
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Re: Blocking Wikileaks ---
"We also have many thousands of Cover Domains ... In addition you can use Tor or Psiphon to connect to the site"
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Re: Shutting Down Wikileaks ---
"Our servers are distributed over multiple international jurisdictions and do not keep logs ... Internally the document is distributed to backup servers immediately"
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Like I said .... Good Luck :-
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“I have reported you to AOL for stealing pictures, as it is a crime.”
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This is the reason WikiLeaks cant be undone ....
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Bittorrent
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Just because it may be physically impossible to staunch it...
I realize it's convenient to try to paint everything as a "new media v. old media" struggle, but some issues fit that mold easier than others and this isn't Barbara Streisand's house or Metallica trying to recoup their leaked LP. Whether you agree with coalition presence in Afghanistan or not, whether you understand why the documents were classified or not, the fact remains that real people's lives have been placed in imminent danger as a result of a willful disclosure of sensitive information.
Scooter Libby went to jail for less.
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I think the govt and MSM overly exaggerates most of the supposed danger that Wikileaks allegedly causes and I think the govt has put far more people in danger and is responsible for far more innocent deaths than Wikileaks. I think the real reason for wanting those documents censored is mostly to hide the innocent deaths that the U.S. military is responsible for.
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in this case, pentagon started its rant just in line with p.'s own (and, as we have to read in the newspapers, more and more "private", regardless of what whitehouse says) timeframe re. iran.
the publication was needed and is needed.
there is NO SINGLE reasonable 'reason' to call a needed publication that revealed war crimes - the real and factual danger to human beings' lives - and, of course, docs which quite probably can be a danger to the white collars of the responsible pips (den haag) - a danger to anyone else than those pips shouting out most loud now. just like texas babe this thiessen is still doing the job for, as we have to read in his rants.
and plz don't forget - the first real affair was collateral murder. then there were lots of explanations like "well... nothing special... just war" stuff.
p's timeframe iran -> begin of rantings.
all of this: just coincidence?
so plz take care when purely repeating this putting lives in danger. the docs tell a different story.
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That is correct.
The informants put their own lives in danger by willfully disclosing information to the US.
Now the consequences of their actions, becoming informants to the US, are coming back to haunt them.
If you don't want to be put on a hit list for being an informant, don't become an informant.
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Re: Just because it may be physically impossible to staunch it...
the government knows this. this is why the conversation is all about what wikileaks did and how wrong it is, rather than the content of those documents.
the documents could be proof that the war in afghanistan is not being won and cannot be won. all this hand waving and finger pointing is a distraction from that fact.
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Merely PR attempting to give credibility to Wikileaks.
@ Nate: the CRIMES were invading and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps a million people are dead, and millions more injured; a trillion dollars wasted, no end in sight.
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Re: Merely PR attempting to give credibility to Wikileaks.
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...it's getting difficult to find anyone who doesn't believe Wikileaks is an intelligence op front.
You got that right. And it’s pretty obvious who’s behind it. What was the effect of the last lot of leaks, if not to characterize Pakistan as a hotbed of support for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda? In whose interest is it to take down Pakistan?
Answer: Indian intelligence.
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More danger from within
It's way too easy to get a clearance - all you need to do is be programmer and apply to Lockheed Martin or any number of other contractors. At 1-2 years out of college you'll get your TS badge. And you'll be sitting with Chinese Nationals (who will also have their TS and compartmental access - one of whom will be your boss) - who speak to each other on the job about job related issues - in Chinese.
And that was back in the 90's. Since 2001 the number of jobs requiring TS clearance has exploded.
-CF
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Re: More danger from within
http://www.cato.org/dailypodcast/podcast-archive.php?podcast_id=1212
In the future, military planners must assume that they will not be able to enforce secrecy to the extent that they've historically done. Given the proliferation of communication mechanisms (email, IM, social network, USB thumb drives), it will be impossible to prevent illegal releases of information.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/02/AR2010080202627.html
Forget international law, it only applies to everyone else and not the U.S.
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Once every nation is at risk of having their secrets blasted all over the internet, maybe they'll get the picture. Anything that encourages this politicking over "national interests" to go away can't be bad.
I don't see what's wrong with making modern nations live up to the ideals they espouse, instead of giving democracy lip service and then using "The Prince" as an operating manual anyway.
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Wiki Leaks Mirror
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Should the world have a more transparent Wikileaks where we know the political and econimic equations of the handful of men behding Wikileaks ? Yes
Can the US Government shut down Wikileaks? Theoritically, it can. Remember, a couple of key players in Wikileaks shut it down for many months as they ran out of funds. Keep in mind that whatever has been published will remain on the net in some form or the other. But nothing new can be added as the site can be shut down.
I personally support any site that give us more transparency. But Reporters Without Borders and Amnesty feel that Wikileaks has been lax in protecting innocent civilians.
Rightly or wrongly, the US Government will go after Wikileaks. We have to see how the 2-3 key Wikileaks players respond when faced with international warrants and possible jail time. That would be the true test of their resolve.
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Gosh, we lose one war due to something along these lines and now people want to have the war lost on the home front again.
If there are military crimes(usually) the military takes care of their own and they aren't squeamish like most of the cowards who are in charge of most of the 50 states when it comes to dolling out punishment.
Should we be over there? I don't know. However, pulling out and giving the so called 'freedom fighters' (known commonly as thugs/terrorists) a date to hang on to is COLOSSALLY stupid. It had been pointed out it isn't just our own who will suffer, those who were and are currently helping us will suffer too.
What about those people? Don't they have civil rights. or just because they dared associate with 'us' they forfeit any rights to life? If informants are open season for being what they are then these 'whistle blowers' ought to know:
"The informants put their own lives in danger by willfully disclosing information...."
"Now the consequences of their actions, ...., are coming back to haunt them."
"If you don't want to be put on a hit list for being an informant, don't become an informant."
Yes I took out the 'to the US' sections but, these words sound about right for those wikileakers whom governments are going after, which is a sort of hit list. The phrase, turnabout's fair play seems to fit.
Final Note: If you don't like the country you're living in, immigrate somewhere else and stop bitching.
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You're right in saying that the military takes care of their own, but I don't think the military really does much to stop military crimes. They do seem to do a lot to hide them.
"Should we be over there? I don't know. However, pulling out and giving the so called 'freedom fighters' (known commonly as thugs/terrorists) a date to hang on to is COLOSSALLY stupid."
When the behavior of our military is worse than the behavior of those they seek to suppress then what's the point of even going after them?
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How to stop Wikileaks
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international petition for wikileaks
http://www.gopetition.com/petition/38165/signatures.html
(a bit more than 3000 pips took the time to sign and some of them even to comment. we're waiting for the rest of us. plz spread this on.)
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