How Much Did The Pointless OiNK Raid Cost UK Taxpayers?
from the if-they-spend-more-do-they-get-it-right-next-time? dept
As you may recall, a few years back, UK authorities took down OiNK, a popular BitTorrent tracker site -- and only after taking down the site did they realize that OiNK's admin, Alan Ellis, didn't appear to have done anything illegal. After testing out a few legal theories, prosecutors finally tried "conspiracy to defraud" the music industry -- a crime that sounds suspiciously like felony interference of a business model. Of course, years later, Ellis was found not guilty, since he didn't actually break any laws.So how much did this entertainment-industry driven mess cost UK taxpayers? Well, police refused to release that information for a while, claiming that it "could undermine any ongoing and future investigations and cause potential damage to the criminal justice process." Uh, right. About the only way it would do that is when people realized how much money was being wasted on bogus investigations. Eventually, however, it came out that the investigation itself cost about £29,000 -- including £7,800 on overtime (OiNK after dark?) and £4,300 on "travel and subsistence." Of course that doesn't even get into what the actual trial cost taxpayers, which I'm sure is many times greater than that. And, as plenty of people predicted at the time of the raid, none of it mattered, because others stepped in to replace OiNK in no time flat. Perhaps, next time, the police can spend a little more money to realize that they had no case. Or, maybe, not spend the money at all, and let the entertainment industry focus its efforts on actually adapting to a changing market place.
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Wrong again
Defending the entertainment industry's business model is like defending liberty - it's worth it no matter what the cost, no matter what we as a nation(s) have to do. It's not only a matter of principal - it's a matter of our very survival as a civilization.
Yes, we may have to throw privacy, the internet, digital technology, common sense, economic competition, the future and perhaps even personal liberty itself out the window. But how can anyone in his right corporate mind doubt that it is worth it?
Mike, I think you are due for an appointment with Mr. O'Brien at the Ministry of Free Culture.
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Perspective
For an American perspective...
£29,000.00 = $45,548.32 on investigation itself
+£7,800.00 = $12,246.80 on overtime
+£4,300.00 = $ 6,751.44 on "travel and subsistence"
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£42,100.00 = $64,546.56 in totally, completely wasted tax money
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Re: Perspective
It always amuses me when people complain about TD having an international perspective. Yes, things of importance or note sometimes happen outside of your sheltered community and they use currencies other than the "almighty" dollar. Deal with it.
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Just to clarify, over USD $45,000 was spent by the authorities on investigating a case where no crime had been committed.
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True enough. You got me there. I did in fact catch my error, but without there being a way to edit or delete my comment there was little I could do about it.
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Just so everyone remembers:
You're more likely to get away with rape than file sharing!
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Yogi if not saecasum must be dumber than the average bear.
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Re: DEA
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For aspiring comedy bloggers, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHr6vaeBhI
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Piracy is going nowhere but up(no not the sea kind of piracy).
I always marvel at how some people think they have a choice in the matter.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/15/oink_costs/
So that £29k /$45k is only additional costs, and the day to day costs (read greater) of the whole investigation aren't included.
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Cops?
In the UK as here it's not the cops that make the case it's the prosecutors who make the case.
It wasn't the oink local police precinct detective sargent who suddenly awoke one day and decided to bust oink.
It was political pressure from the recording industry who cost the tax payers all the expanses for this whack a mole failure.
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Re: Cops?
Since the action failed should us Britons be persuing damages against the entertainment industries.
29K approx. plus the trial costs.
I'm sure if it were the other way around they would be seeking damages & costs.
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Suggestion
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/90740/oink-raid-cost-uk-taxpayers-45347-usd/
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Small Cost
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music
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So What ?
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And besides, do you know for how long I have to work to raise 29000£? That's A LOT of money.
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Oink and the Cops
Oh, and they tried to refer me to the IFPI, and when I pointed out that the IFPI shouldn't know what was in the arrest warrant, they seemed to get more nervous.
I don't think that the cops were at all happy with the IFPI, in fact I got the impression that the cops believe that the IFPI was lying to them. Curious, that.
If you want to read what I wrote at the time I made the call click here.
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