Obvious News Is Obvious: Polls That Only Call Landlines May Be Biased
from the you-just-realized-this? dept
I remember, way back during the 2004 election, reading stories about how the rising number of people cutting the cord when it came to their landline phone meant that phone-based surveys were not all that accurate any more. So now, six years later, research has come out saying exactly the same thing. It is true that the number of people who have done away with their landline has increased (now over a quarter of the population has ditched their landlines). Apparently, the study found that landline-only election surveys tend to overcount Republican voters and undercount Democratic ones. This doesn't come as a huge surprise as, generally speaking, the older generation skews more Republican and are also the least likely to ditch their landlines.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Anyone Suprised?
And no, I don't have any hard facts to back this up... I'm just saying that statistics and polling have long been used to swing opinion one way or another by saying "see, it's the voice of the people..."
About the only surveys I put stock in anymore are the ones on Family Feud.
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Polling is never perfect, and even if you could feasibly poll everybody you'd still see differences as people change their minds or whatever, but some pollsters consistently get pretty close despite these and other issues. That said, as more and more people drop their land lines, I imagine these corrections are going to get more difficult to make and poll results will start to fluctuate more. But hey, maybe not. I'm pretty consistently surprised how close they get even today.
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Water is wet
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I have always beleived...
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Dewey Defeats Truman
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Decline of "landline" connections in the USA?
just out of curiosity: don't you get a free landline number when you sign up for some broadband internet plan? Here (Europe, at least in most western European countries) you get at least on "classic" phone number. Sure they're VoIP but to non-technical people (and billing-wise) it is a landline number.
Cheers,
Drizzt
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Honest responses to survey questions are not able to fit within the limitations of any provided possible answers. Not to mention the people answering the survey don't necessarily know what they think anyway.
I'm going to conduct a survey here.
Question: Are you still a cannibal?
Answer 1: Yes.
Answer 2: No.
I'll skip to the projected results. Extrapolating that the x number of people who responded to the survey represent a diverse enough population, I can reliably conclude that 100% of the world's population are cannibals. Imagine that.
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But will the cellphone holders vote?
But will the people they aren't reaching get out and vote? If the results are skewed, but those polled are most likely to vote, then their views WILL reflect the final results.
In other words, if you only end up talking to Republicans, but the Republicans are the only ones who vote, then your predictions will be accurate.
So if you feel you are underrepresented in the polls, ignore the polls, but still make sure you vote.
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Well, there are at least two different ways to sample if we are talking about political polls.
1. A random sample of all people.
2. A random sample of all potential voters.
If you are doing a random sample of all people and don't have enough cellphone-only people, you don't truly have a random sample.
If, on the other hand, you want a random sample of voters and you find out that cellphone-only people don't vote, then you wouldn't want them anyway. Or, if you did reach them (via cellphone or by mail or in person) and you found out they weren't planning on voting, then you'd toss out their opinions because you were only trying to reach likely voters.
Let me ask you. So what does it mean if current polling under-represents younger, more liberal voters? Do you expect the election results to be more liberal than predicted? Anyone here placing any bets?
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Cell Phones and Election Polls: An Update - Pew Research Center
Among everyone polled:
For landline only, 46% say Republican and 45% say Democrat.
For landline and cell, 44% say Republican and 47% say Democrat.
HOWEVER, among LIKELY voters:
For landline only, 53% say Republican and 41% say Democrat.
For landline and cell, 50% say Republican and 43% say Democrat.
So while including cellphone voters does increase the percentage of responding Democrats, when you ask who is likely to vote, the Republicans take the lead. The main difference is that it's a 53/41 split based on landline only, while it is a 50/43 spilt when including landline and cell.
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Lies, damn lies and.....
Or to quote(ish) the late lamented Mr. Adams, "statistics don't prove anything you didn't already know, except that everyone in the universe has 2.4 legs and own a hyena."
There was a classic tag line in a british cat food add many years ago I always loved "8 out of 10 owners who expressed a preference said their cats preferred it", or to translate, "8 out of 10 people who already actually BUY the stuff find that the cat they feed it to doesn't refuse to eat it."
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