Officer Bubbles Sues To Find Out Identity Of Anonymous YouTubers
from the double-bubble-toil-and-trouble dept
Back at the G20 meetings in July in Toronto, there were numerous stories of police overreacting and arresting protesters with little reason whatsoever. Perhaps the most noteworthy story that got attention was the story of "Officer Bubbles," the name given to a police officer, named Adam Josephs, who threatened to arrest a woman for assault if the bubbles she was blowing landed on him. You can see the video here:As you read through the lawsuit, some of the YouTube comments Josephs is suing over are pretty silly, and it's difficult to see how they're worth a lawsuit. I mean, here's one of the comments:
"true -- probably wears the sunglasses while looking at himself in the mirror!!!"Now, that may be a false statement (though, can he really say he never looked at himself in the mirror with sunglasses?), but does it really qualify to the level of defamatory? Similarly, another of the comments he's suing over reads:
"officer bubbles probably looks at himself in the mirror a lot."Again, is that really defamatory?
Other comments certainly appear to be mostly opinion, rather than any sort of statement of fact:
"It's a shame that the police are becoming uniformed bullies. It's bad when the local people tell them to leave their community."Even in cases where the comments were a bit more stringent, it's hard to see how they could be seen as anything more than angry venting. The Toronto Star spoke to one of the (still anonymous) commenters who said he doesn't even remember what he wrote, but he was just angry about what he had seen. According to the lawsuit, his comment was:
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"Nice going Officer Josephs, you are a real hero and a true testament to the sorry state of law enforcemtn here in Canada, and a fine example of the kind of policing peaceful people had to endure during the G20 farce."
"If this steroid addicted Nazi has children, they must be sooooo embarrassed."In other words, your typical YouTube-style comment. Sure, you could argue that claiming he was "steroid-addicted" and a "Nazi" might qualify as defamation, but taken in context, would anyone reading that comment really believe that the commenter knew Officers Josephs and was actually alleging he was addicted to steroids and a Nazi, or would they assume that it was just someone upset by the way Officer Josephs acted.
In the meantime, by filing this lawsuit, about the only thing that Office Bubbles has done is call a lot more attention to his initial actions and reinforce the idea that he seems to totally overreact to rather benign situations. But, I guess, if you're going to arrest a girl for blowing bubbles in your direction, suing YouTube (for being a 3rd party platform) and suing people for mocking comments that no one actually believes probably seems to be equally intelligent.
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> actions at the G20
As a Canadian, I was horrified about the G20 summit for two reasons: the $1.1B price tag, and why there was so much footage of "protesters" smashing cars and windows.
Maybe I'm old, but why weren't these tight black jean, ironic t-shirt wearing terrorists being shot left and right with bean-bag shotguns, stun guns, and tear gas? Oh, so not agreeing with capitalism allows you to take a bat to a storefront window? And then we get the ridiculous charge that the police were out of line? Give me a f**kin break. I'm not going to be happy until I see several dozen d-bag college kids serve real jail time for the destruction that happened.
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The violent destructive rioting happened on Saturday. The police did nothing.
The brutal police reaction happened on Sunday, after the rioting had stopped.
Its one thing to use force to break up a violent riot. It's quite another to use force to break up a group of people who are singing the national anthem.
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Yeah. I only use the force to shoot lightning out of my backside, because it makes me giggle and it REALLY annoys Yoda....
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Look, I don't want to be too hard on the police, and I certainly don't know all the details of what happened that weekend - but what we have seen and heard from people on both sides have left a lot of big questions that need to be answers. At the end of the day, when 1000 people get arrested in a weekend in my city and I see footage of armed riot police charging peaceful crowds, I expect a very thorough post-mortem of the incident.
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> Techdirt insider.
Don't read too much into being an "Insider". It just means I had $35 laying around.
And I'm about 72% serious. But I still think it would be funny to see some emo smash-and-grabber with gauged out ears get bean-bagged upside the head.
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By my count, in this comment you have one complaint about their actions, and two about their style of dress/accessories (emo / earrings). In your original comment you again have one reference to their actions, plus two to their clothes and one to the fact that they are "college kids".
Sounds to me like their protest tactics aren't the real source of your ire.
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Insult ot the uniform?
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Question....
Dear lord, is this guy one big steaming pile of insecurity, or what?
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I don't know much about Canadian courts, but this may pay off for him, even if the suit doesn't. He's demonstrated a willingness to be unreasonably aggressive on the legal front as well and that may dissuade suits or even speech by the victims of his official behavior, as well as giving his superiors something to consider if they think to discipline him.
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For police officers, it is most often control issues, mixed in with a side of insecurity ...
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Officer? Are you kidding me? Get a life, please!
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I'm guessing someone stole Nina, or someone stole your comma. I wonder what a Grammar Nazi protest would look like.
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Assault with a cuddly bubble?
I may have blown the bubbles on him just to get that on my record...
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No one expects the Canadian Inquisition!
What Wayne says (earlier semi-anon comment):
Whoever came up with that get bonus miles for Clarity.
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Bonus for Pithy, at least.
The problem isn't solely their ignorance, it's also their knowledge they can behave badly, even escalate a situation, and nothing will happen to them. Heck, he was probably getting overtime for that.
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Land of the free...
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On a serious note, I saw spin doctors trying to defend the police action taken, saying they saw nothing wrong with the police behavior even when confronted by videos of people being beaten.
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That isn't the question. The question is whether or not she broke the law. It's hard to see how she did....
"Do you really think she would have behaved like a normal person if he had asked her nicely?"
I guess we'll never know since Constable Bubblelicious never tried....
"She was looking for trouble and found it."
She. Was. Blowing. Bubbles. I found her muffin top jeans to be more offensive than the bubbles. As trouble goes, her brand is fairly benign....
"Good for the Constable, people should be held accountable for their actions and she had no right to be the pest you know she was being."
Wait....what? People don't have the right to be pests? I'm pretty sure they do....
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If so, well done sir.
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But, he should have started with a polite request not blow floating balls of chemicals at the officers.
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Sigh, I know that actually makes a lot of sense, but can't the officer determine based on the situation what deserves an aggressive reaction? This girl hardly looked like an Anthrax-bubble blowing terrorist.
Unless...wait...her name wasn't B'uhabbel Muffantop, was it?
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I guess that you know something I don't and that the person blowing bubbles was lying in the interview where she said: "I was having a conversation with a female officer and I even asked her if my bubbles bothered her. She smiled and shrugged it off so I figured it didn't.... It's not like I was throwing stuff at them. Then this big officer marches over and he's totally in my face."
The officer was an asshole. The 'weird person' blowing bubbles treated the asshole with a lot more respect than he was due. The police use tear gas to deal with protesters but you assert that the protesters shouldn't be allowed to blow bubbles? That sort of thinking leads to people expressing themselves in much worse ways than blowing bubbles.
As for looking for trouble.. she was there as part of a peaceful protest. She was protesting peacefully. He was interfering with her peaceful protest. Therefore, he was the one looking for trouble.
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She was later arrested on yet another matter but was subsequently released without charges as most were.
She is a normal person, she was there as a Street Medic. Scoff if you will but there is nothing illegal or sinister about that. She acted like a normal person even when she wasn't asked nicely.
She wasn't looking for trouble nor did she end up in any legal trouble. Do you think Constable Josephs has far more problems
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Oct 18th, 2010 @ 9:39am
Despite what you think, you aren't allowed to arrest people for taunting you or being an asshole. What if I made a funny face at an officer? Grounds for arrest? What if I said "I smell bacon" to my friend when a cop rolls by? Should I be arrested? What if I saw a cop beating a retarded person and I said "you should be ashamed". It's called freedom of speech buddy. Sorry to burst your bubble (lol)
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Also, bubbles.
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Consequences
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We lookin' for you,
We goin' find you, we goin' find you,
So you can run and tell that, run and tell that, home boy, home home home boy.
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dumping the whole bottle of fluid on the officer?
how about she just spits it one straw full at a time?
hows about she mists it with a spray bottle on 'very fine'?
how about she inflates every ml one by one and blows them over?
Either way, the contents of the bottle are being dispensed, method of transmission will matter little.
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That's moronic. That's like saying it doesn't matter if 20 grams of copper clad lead are tossed underhand at you or shot out of a rifle. Personally, I'd much rather have it tossed underhand at me, but I guess you don't have a preference since the method of transmission doesn't matter.
If you're the key, that's one dumb lock.
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I didn't realize that the effect of an unknown chemical is wholly dependent on how fast it's going....
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(S)he said that the method used to transmit the soap solution (a known chemical, btw) mattered little, and I begged to differ.
The effect of any matter on a body is dependant on several factors; acceleration being one of them. Mass being another. The fact that a bubble can't travel fast enough and isn't dense enough to cause harm is relevant to wheather it can be classified as assault. If you were to squirt that same solution in an officer's eye with a high pressure squirt gun, he would surely have more grounds for an arrest.
Does that make sense or am I missing the point?
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And you still don't understand basic physics. Instead you're arguing chemistry, which isn't the issue here.
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Just one small way in which the police state can be "monetized".
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Sheesh!
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Reason for arrest?
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I gather from comments on another article that the girl was arrested later for carrying eyewash (commonly used by protesters to deal with tear gas). Afaik, she stopped blowing bubbles when she said she would and the arrest was unrelated.
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But beyond all that, he was already looking for trouble. He assumed malice in the blowing of bubbles where there doesn't seem to be. The girl looks deeply hurt at the tone he took with her. She didn't yell back. She didn't get keyed up and ready to fight.
The other constable next to him is the perfect control subject for this assertion. She was calm. She didn't tell the girl to stop blowing bubbles despite the fact that she wasn't wearing sunglasses. She didn't say anything rude. She was even smiling.
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Before Today...
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but bubbles will get you arrested.
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I am one of the persons named in the suit
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Is that you Bubbles?
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In the states they probably would have taz'ed the girl.
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Go police
I say f*ck islam Yes I said it.& I say all those who suported should be arrested...
And what is it normal to stand infront of a police officer and blow bubbles on him?
It's disrespectfull & I wish she would be punished for it...the police officer was actually very pleasent & tolerant...police in other place would already hand cuff her & through her in jail at the very minimum
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wowo just wow
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Officer Bubbles
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Officer Adam Josephs eats dog shit
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By the way...
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How to File Complaint re Josephs
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Elliott Gould
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Wow.
And, I don't know all that much about the chemistry of the common blowy bubble, but I do know this; it will not hurt your eyes. I've had a lot of them bubbles in my eyes, it just happens, my eyes are still less corrective lenses.
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I think his actions were completely justifiable.
There are two points of interest that aren't being taken into account from this film, and it's whats not seen.
1. The video doesn't show why the altercation began in the first place.
2. The video doesn't show why the woman was actually arrested.
It's a common tactic used by the media to keep people riled up and jumping to conclusions, and there is simply too many "Moments Later.." for me to just blindly believe she was arrested for the reasons the clip would like me to believe she was arrested for.
The simple fact is that this man was doing his job, and this woman was being an obvious pest, deliberately. He could have gone about it better, sure, but in the same hand, he couldn't let this demonstrator undermine his authority either. After all, one person undermining a public official's authority becomes two. Two becomes four. You know the rest from there.
If you really think this officer was wrong in his actions, you're always welcome to walk up to the next Police Officer you see, and blow bubbles in his/her face and see how long it takes before you get arrested.
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60 years ago the Nazi's were just doing their job. Those Jews were being obvious pests, deliberately. The Nazis could of gone about it better, sure, but in the same hand, they couldn't let them undermine their authority either. After all, one person refusing to go to the camps becomes two. Two becomes four. You know the rest from there.
Yes I think he was wrong in his actions. No I won't walk up to the next Police Officer I see. No more so than I would walk up to Crips, Bloods or Hell's Angels for the same reason. I choose to avoid contact with organized criminals. Especially the ones I can't defend against without being subjected to the angry monkey version of a fire ant attack.
Peace, out.
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Officer Bubbles
High School bully found himself a unifrom, what a douche!
Why dont you sue me you douche nozzle?
Just my opinion , of course!
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Was Bubbles the worst?
But check out another G20 GOOF- Sergeant Mark Charlebois 815 of District 2 York Regional Police.
Aside from his disgraceful and embarrassing clown act at G20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuuidLpIZHI
Previous to this old senile Goof signing up for G20 he was or completed investigations for:
- assault on a handcuffed prisoner
- sexual inappropriate behavior on a 14 year old "victim" in a District 2 washroom, caught on video
- being under the influence on the job
He is also a "close and dear" friend of York Regional Police Chief Eric Jolliffe.
So when you let these psychos loose on downtown Toronto do you expect any different?
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But check out another G20 GOOF- Sergeant Mark Charlebois 815 of District 2 York Regional Police.
Aside from his disgraceful and embarrassing clown act at G20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuuidLpIZHI
Previous to this old senile Goof signing up for G20 he was or completed investigations for:
- assault on a handcuffed prisoner
- sexual inappropriate behavior on a 14 year old "victim" in a District 2 washroom, caught on video
- being under the influence on the job
He is also a "close and dear" friend of York Regional Police Chief Eric Jolliffe.
So when you let these psychos loose on downtown Toronto do you expect any different?
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Detective Mark Charlebois=Diddler
Needless to say his neighbors in Aurora have been posting some "interesting" facts about the creep. The question remains: Why would the York Regional Police allow such a loose canon out of the York Region Police cage? He basically is the face of police stupidly and incompetence in Ontario.
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Cops are idiots
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Idiots
This Bubbles is a coward little asswipe hiding behind a badge. These guys become cops because they are power hungry nobodies. The easiest way to power for an idiot with no talent is become a pig.
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The OIPRD refused to investigate saying they "had no jurisdiction" on the crime. Chief Eric Jolliffe refused to investigate saying she was lying without an investigation and no police officer would investigate and only harassed her and my family.
No charges were laid and no justice was done. Since this time I have learned that 2 York Regional Police officers were charged for sexual assault (Cst. Noor Khan and Cst. Brent Rouillard).
The York Regional Police force is sick, twisted and corrupt. They can not be trusted and females must be aware of how sick and twisted these individuals are. Do not trust the YRP and do not trust Detective Mark Charlebois #815. He is a rapist, a pervert and a sick and twisted individual as are many other York Regional Police officers. They will lie and cover up their crimes.
My daughter has been traumatized and will suffer for the remainder of her life because of this monster. I understand this pervert and creep did this to many others and it is always covered up. SHAME!!
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In his own words "That's terrible, my heart bleeds"
He got what he deserved. Hope he learned something.
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Noob!
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