Canadian Telco Claims Netflix & Google TV Should Be Regulated As Broadcasters
from the ah,-protectionism dept
A few years back, you may recall, we covered how some content creators in Canada were looking to expand broadcast regulations to the internet. If you're not aware, Canadian law requires that broadcasters fund and promote a certain amount of Canadian-based content. The reason for it on television is so that Canadian television isn't dominated by American programming -- and the idea here was that there was a similar "threat" online. Of course, unlike television, there is no limit to how much content is available, and artificially trying to force ISPs to fund and promote Canadian content just doesn't make any sense.However, now, it appears that at least one company, Shaw -- who is both a broadcaster and an internet provider in Canada -- is trying to bring this issue back in a way, claiming that Netflix and Google TV should be subject to similar regulations. Of course, both of these aren't really broadcasters. They're service providers. But that issue seems lost on Shaw. It's especially bizarre in the case of Google, which isn't offering up its own content at all, but merely an interface to access other content online. If anything, this shows the rather obvious and hamfisted manner by which Shaw seeks to burden new technologies that might compete with it for attention.
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Companies: google, netflix, shaw
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I can kind of understand Netflix...
As Mike said, the regulations were introduced primarily to combat American programming (which is still prevalent, btw) and to promote Canadian talent. Before, this meant cut rate local programming and lots of children's content, but luckily, that's starting to change. Three TV series come to mind: Rookie Blue, The Bridge, and Flashpoint, all of which have been successful in Canada, and even have seen some success south of the boarder. (Hmm, three cop dramas set in Toronto. So when is Toronto getting a CSI and Law and Order franchise?)
Netflix is already (partially) following the regulations, and voluntarily I might add. Although their current selection of Canadian movies is limited, they have vowed to increase it, specifically in the area of French Canadian content.
Also, not only is Shaw a broadcaster and ISP, they are also the incumbent cable provider in parts of Canada. They are "old money" in the Canadian broadcasting world. We already know what happens to those guys if they don't innovate and just try to squeeze out their new competition.
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Re: I can kind of understand Netflix...
The only reason its a problem is because Canadian actors, production people, etc, once they get known, come down south to start making some real money. THAT's what has Canadians gnashing their teeth over the Canadian television situation. If its a real problem the the real solution is to bar those actors from moving south.
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Won't matter unless...
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Huh?
Uh, Youtube?
Otherwise, spot-on article. This is incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
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Thats right just like TV,
Users are the ones who watch it, creators are the ones one create, and submit it.. is it really that hard ?
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- Viewers watch the content.
- Users of YouTube are people who use the site, either for uploading or viewing content.
- Uploaders upload content, which they may or may not have created. They are also a subset of users.
- Creators create the original copy of the file being uploaded, and may never have used YouTube in their lives.
Simple semantics, often difficult for you, I realise.
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> Thats right just like TV,
Not even close.
Studio execs get to decide what is carried on a "broadcast" station. No such executive decision making is going on at YouTube in this regard. If anything is visible, it's because the masses "voted with their feet". There is really no other filtering of "Google's content".
You might as well try to make them responsible for the content of the web at large.
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"Broadcast" the word is defined as:
–verb (used with object)
1. to transmit (programs) from a radio or television station.
2. to speak, perform, sponsor, or present on a radio or television program: The President will broadcast his message on all stations tonight.
3. to cast or scatter abroad over an area, as seed in sowing.
4. to spread widely; disseminate: She broadcast the good news all over town.
5. to indicate unwittingly to another (one's next action); telegraph: He broadcast his punch and the other man was able to parry it.
In all cases *Broadcast* heavily implies that something is 'spread around' from the source, there's no need to request anything.
In the case of Google, you must FIRST send a DNS REQUEST to find one of their servers, then you REQUEST an HTTP page, it then REPLIES with the content YOU HAVE REQUESTED, that is NOT broadcasting, plan and simple.
NetFLix is the same, you must REQUEST a DVD or Movie from them, they do not 'Broadcast'.
Plus, if this were to apply to Google, it would have to apply to ALL web pages, including those of other Governments, Charitable Organizations, and anyone with a Web Page - that is not practical or feasible.
You can also buy DVD's from Amazon - are they subject too?
How many other sites sell or rent DVD's?
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Yes thats right, just like in radio and TV broadcasting, you have to "request" the data from them. by selecting a particular channel, and time to see what you want to see.
Or you can get pay per view, where you again, have to request the information.
The fact that you have to ask for it, does not mean it is not broadcasting, as you stated the definition of broadcasting, and it is the same as what those two groups are doing...
broadcasting in today world means making information available when requested, or when desired..
It's not about how many you broadcast too, if its just one person who requested that information or a million people who did not request the information but will "tune in" because they also desire to view that data/content..
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Nit-picky, I know - but they ARE different.
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Push vs. Pull
Still, if this ever does make it into regulation, I think there's a serious ground to challenge it based on freedom of expression.
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American?
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Re: thats right,,
I probably need several boxes, one being the computer itself, the other being the modem.
So ofcourse if you need a box to receive the feed, its a broadcast.. thankyou..
and you need a box to receive netflix's feed, so its a broadcast.. !!!! ipso fatso..
There is zero difference to clicking on a link to view content, or clicking on a link from your TV company, or satellite TV to view the content..
Also the content you view may have allready been sent to your location (in the cast of satellite), and you view it as an archive.. just like netflix..
And many other broadcasters.
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I'm curious Darryl, why are you so adamant that there can't possibly be any distinction made between the technologies? What's your pony in this race to try and convince everyone that Canada is 100% correct?
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What are you really trying to say here? That the internet is just like TV? So if I am watching Netflix (I am Canadian after all) and I select a show I want to watch, Netflix should be bound by law to show me some Canadian show first?
"You haven't been watching enough Canadian TV, you will have to sit through 30 minutes of something totally unrelated to what you have selected before you can watch your show."
Seriously?? You can honestly say this is how you think things should work? Just because a telco company said so? I assume you have a brain, try using it!
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And yes, for streaming and popular content, it is just the same as TV, just like there is limitations on what you can watch on TV, there are the same limitations from the internet.
If you think google, and netflix will have EVERY content that has ever been created, available to you, unless that is the case, it is just like TV, you get to see what they make available for you to see.
Regardless of the method that content gets to your TV screen, the content is the same, and that content belongs to someone, someone invested lots of money to own that content, and the right to copy and distribute that content..
Just because that content is on the web does not make it any different to content you get off the TV, the same conditions apply, you cannot see what you want when you want off the internet or off TV, and you choose what you want to watch by either selecting a channel and a time, or clicking on a link..
The end result is content, displayed on your entertainment system.. you cannot tell the different between an internet broadcast, or a TV broadcast, by looking at the content.
Its a movie, no matter where it came from, it is a broadcast, if one thing is sending something to many people.
Its what the TV does, and its what the internet does, its one source, broadcasting to many people, and you can choose to accept that broadcast, or not too..
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That's not really a very important distinction. How does THAT make any difference? Most "streams" are archived, if you want to listen to a live broadcast at another time you just locate the archive. Its actually not a huge difference. It certainly doesn't seem to make much of a difference to web sites that offer both archives of pod casts and streams at particular times that I've seen.
Why does anyone need to be so cogently aware of this difference? You seem to be bringing up a pointless point here.
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service providers ???
A service provider in the internet sense is a company that will take your money and provide you with internet services.
They are ISP's that stands for "Internet Service Providers", the service they provide is a connection to the internet.
So if that is the case, how is Google a "service provide"?
Can you explain the logic behind that ?
And if you can class google as a service provider, by providing search I guess, why then would a TV station providing a service or TV shows, be a 'service provider' as well ?
But I find it hard to understand why you mix and match words, and terms that are in common usage, and assign them a different meaning ?
Do you think we wont notice ? or is it true that you really do not understand the differences yourself ?
(thats a nice way of putting "are you stupid or lying".)..
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These categories are (listed by kind of services provided):
1. Transitory communications (meaning that the provider merely transmits, routs or provides connections for material coming through a system);
2. System caching (meaning that the provider provides temporary storage of such material);
3. Storage of materials at the direction of a user (meaning that the provider is one who hosts sites or runs mailing lists, news groups, chat and the like); and
4. Information location tools (meaning that the provider is a search engine facility).
This is a nice way of putting "are you stupid or lying".
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Network service provider (NSP)
Internet service provider (ISP)
Managed service provider (MSP)
Master managed service provider (MMSP)
Managed Internet service provider (MISP)
Telecommunications service provider (TSP)
So by any definition, netflix or google, are no more or less service providers as are TV broadcasters, and radio stations, or the entertainment industry, they all provide some form of service.
But the term service provider on the internet, is a clear definition, and that definition does not include the likes of google, or netflix..
Its really funny, that you resort to DCMA for factual information LOL..
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Its really funny, that you resort to Wikipedia for factual information LOL..
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What they need is ....
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Shaw & competion
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S-H-A-W spells MONOPOLY
We are gouged and gouged and gouged and we have yet to elect a government with any balls to stand up to these companies and enforce real competition. But, as we Canadians are apt to do, we bitch a lot about it, but we still buy the services. We don't have any real choices.
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Again, how are they not broadcasters ?
You go to a web page that does video, you open a menu, you have a list of available content.
You select from that list what you want to watch, at some time in the future that content will be available on your compter/TV/Recorder for you to watch at your leasure.
The mechanism is exactly the same, there is a list of what is available, there is a larger list of what will be availe at specific times (in the future), and you can choose from the list to receive and watch that content..
This mechanism is no different, between the internet and TV.
the FCC and the canadian equivalent are COMMUNICATIONS authorities, not 'bandwidth' police, they regulate communications, that includes communication by radio, telephone, internet, mobile phones, you know, things that communicate..
To say they have no duristiction over the internet, is clearly wrong. they do, and they exercise that authority..
As they should, you may not agree with what they do, but you cannot really argue that they do not have the authority or legal right to do what they have done..
Because its not 'radio' makes no difference..
It would be called the Federal Radio commision in that case,, but its Communications, not radio..
Its a simple, but important distinction.
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