So WikiLeaks Is Evil For Releasing Documents... But DynCorp Gets A Pass For Pimping Young Boys To Afghan Cops?

from the wtf dept

Wed, Dec 8th 2010 8:23am — Mike Masnick

One refrain we keep hearing against Wikileaks is that the cable releases aren't really "whistleblowing," because they're not really revealing anything. However, it seems like each day there's another big revelation of rather horrible things being done (and covered up) by the US government. The latest, pointed out by Boing Boing, involves a report from a cable that US-based private security contractor DynCorp, who was hired by the US to train Afghani police, was apparently supplying drugs and young boys for a sort of sex party.

The details are horrifying. The Afghani interior minister apparently went to US officials to warn them that reporters were sniffing around this story, and urged them to try to kill the story. He specifically warned that this would look bad if the connection to DynCorp was made clear (he called them "foreign mentors"). Apparently, US diplomats told him not to worry, and the eventual story was in fact watered down greatly (until now, of course) calling the whole thing a "tribal dance," rather than a party where young boys wear "scanty women's clothes" and "dance seductively" before being "auctioned off to the highest bidder" for sex.

Oh, did we mention that DynCorp makes $2 billion per year -- 95% of which comes from American taxpayers.

And US government officials are declaring Wikileaks as an organization to shun and not to work with? What about DynCorp? Are their DNS providers pulling the plug? Are their banks shutting down their accounts? Are they being denounced by Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman? No? Why the hell not?

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Filed Under: afghanistan, wikileaks
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johnjac (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 7:55am

Only in one direction
Just like the Hollywood believes revenue can only flow in one direction (toward them), I'm tired of hearing WikiLeak nay-sayers proclaim that WikiLeaks can only make us less safe.

Here is an example of WikiLeaks shining light on a real problem which we hope will bring end end to a very bad thing and make this kids more safe.

Are where are the concrete examples where where we are less safe now due to WikiLeaks? Are we just supposed to trust them, and ignore these example of where safety is increased?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:36am

"But officer, there were other cars on the road driving faster. why didn't you give them a ticket?"

What a sorry post. When you reach this sort of level, you know you have failed.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:36am

Why the hell not?

Because they're friends with the Right People, not enemies.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:37am

Re:
Learn to analogy better....
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:37am

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Ah, leave it to the terrible troll to trot out a terrible analogy (it even has cars!).
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:40am

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Ah, but it's not cars yelling fire in a croweded theater, so it's still a bit of fail.
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Chris Rhodes (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:41am

Re:
More like:

"Not only was I not speeding, but there's a man over there raping a young boy that you should probably do something about."
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Whatis42? (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:41am

News Cycle
Is Wikileaks factoring enough of a delay in the release of these cables to allow an appropriate news cycle for some of these revelations? I get this feeling that DynCorp will be forgotten within the next 2 releases by other stuff that at least merits discussion!
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:43am

So we cant put foreigners in cute little sundresses and whore them out?
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Matthew (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:44am

Aren't they always telling us...
Aren't they always telling us that if we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear?
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pringerX (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:45am

One of the things I like about Techdirt is the calm, analytical way it tries to present its views. Sometimes there's a tinge of sarcasm, humor or anger injected and that's cool, but that last paragraph sort of leaves a bad taste. I agree wholeheartedly that the government response to Wikileaks is BS, but lashing out is a little unlike Techdirt.

That said, a little righteous venting is satisfying. =P
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Cowardly Anon, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:48am

Obviously b/c the US government is protecting them. That's why not.

Wikileaks needs to be stopped so that the government can keep protecting these companies. If Wikileaks keeps educating the people, how the hell will the government be able to take advantage of them?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:52am

And has WikiLeaks released the responses to that cable? If not, then this article is based on a false premise.
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cgt (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:54am

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:54am

Hopefully anonymous will get a hold of this. ddos everything involved in this god awful thing. I think that DynCorp board should be tried as war criminals.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:06am

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It says so in the post that the cables included the request from the Afghanistan government and the reply from the US government.

Way to fail at reading.
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Ron, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:08am

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WOW, your a tool. Focus your outrage at the appropriate people you knob. I don't think Mike cares what you think about his writing style. STFU.
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lux (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:11am

Oh, did we mention that DynCorp makes $2 billion per year -- 95% of which comes from American taxpayers.

The revolution will not be televised.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:12am

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They were thinking of the children.... and how much money each of them could bring in
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ignorant_s, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:13am

This has been talked about by the press quite substantially for the last year. The practice is called "Bacha Bazi" (sp.?) and though it is illegal in Afghanistan, it is widely practiced by the elite and high ranking military officers. Boys are basically taken from their family, trained to dance in women's clothes for hours, and then pimped out to men at these Bachi Bazi parties as mostly political favors. This is not news... there is a documentary on it called "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan".

This practice goes along with meetings between some the power brokers in Afghanistan. I am sure the US was well aware of it, and they no doubt would have wanted to keep under wraps any contractor who had been involved in this practice. Yet another problem with private contractors playing military games, they do not have the accountability the military does as private actors.

Yea, I am ok with anonymous screwing a bit with DynCorp. Just thinking about the children....
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:15am

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So you're against government transparency but you're for child rape? That's an interesting position to take.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:24am

From our point of view, the world can be a very ugly place. What we consider disgusting, abhorrent and should earn you a bullet in your head is perfectly accepted in other parts of the world. In some countries, women are for making babies while men (and boys) are for pleasure.

Personally, I find this just flat out nasty and where this is the custom, deserves to receive a low yield Cruise Missile. How do companies operate in this kind of environment? How do you get things done when you are required to operate in a "when in Rome" way of doing things?

I do not understand how an American company with American workers, former military members, can stand by and watch this type of behavior, much less promote it, god forbid participate in it.

I just don't understand the thinking of someone who would make this decision to go ahead and be involved with it. These are not war crimes, these are crimes against humanity, something which sorry to say, this company and its workers seem to have very little of.
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ethorad (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:38am

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Bah, what is the world coming to?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:41am

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I do not understand how an American company with American workers, former military members, can stand by and watch this type of behavior, much less promote it, god forbid participate in it.

I just don't understand the thinking of someone who would make this decision to go ahead and be involved with it. These are not war crimes, these are crimes against humanity, something which sorry to say, this company and its workers seem to have very little of.

this is exactly the result of a lack of transparency and accountability. i'm willing to bet it's not the worst of what we'll see come from these leaks.
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cgt (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:43am

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Touch� :P
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interval (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:43am

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And that's what I love about America; the ability to march into other countries, whore out their young men for gay sex parties, and refer to the natives as "foreigners" really fries by brain-pan to an exquisite degree.
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Rose M. Welch (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:44am

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Yes, because Mike and the other Techdirt writers should be equally calm and cool about a patent fight between cell phone companies and child rape. Right.
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Eugene (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:47am

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Hey man, I think you need to calm down. Here, let me lend you this child in a dress. *wink!*
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interval (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:52am

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"I just don't understand the thinking of someone who would make this decision to go ahead and be involved with it."

Its the price of doing business.

(Not justifying it, just verbalizing the thought process.)
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:53am

Well America, you now know why you the private citizen have been targeted by terrorists.You now know that diplomats act like high school freshmen.What will you do about this? What can be done about this?I don't see anyone marching for Freedom of speech.Worried about being called a domestic terrorists and being disappeared to a "non exsistant" facility? I will be surprised if this makes the news on any major network.When does the responsibility of these actions shift from the government to the people?
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Eugene (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:56am

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You realize you can just go to wikileaks and see for yourself right?
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Eugene (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:57am

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...it'll be leaked onto the internet instead.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:57am

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More like the officer going to every car going 15 miles over the speed limit and saying "Well done, you're awesome! No, I'm not going to give you a ticket, in fact, I'm going to GIVE YOU money!" while pulling you over for going 5 over the speed limit and giving you a large fine.

We're going OUT OF OUR WAY to not punish DynCorp and actually reward them instead. THATS the problem.
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GGRRR!!!, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:58am

What!?
Where'd the boys come from? Orphanages? Sex trafficking? And this is OK by those in gov't.
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PRMan, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:00am

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Mike picked the right time to vent.
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:01am

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more like "bad touch�"
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Dark Helmet (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:03am

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Because they're nothing but mammals, doin' it like they do on the discovery channel?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:07am

you need an idiot button in between the 'funny' and 'report' buttons
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Erin B., 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:07am

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And then our lawmakers fight against things like the DADT repeal and ENDA. We only like our queerness when it's done in other countries with underage boys when money changes hands! America, fuck yeah!
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:09am

Re:
I think this totally merited a vent and it's clear that Mike is a human being. One that shows much restraint... but there is so much bullshit going on right now and this story is really hitting home with some epic levels of bullshit far and beyond what I've ever seen on this site.
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ignorant_s, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:18am

Re: What!?
I actually read quite a bit about this. Its pretty terrible. The boys are "bought" usually from poor families by men who act as their caretaker. They take these boys under the guise that they are giving them a "better life". The families are paid each month and often are in desperate need of the money and have no clue what their child is being used for. When the kid gets too old, they simply abandon or kill them. The boys are usually regularly beaten.

DynCorp should be brought to account for any activities in support of this crap. Thanks Wikileaks and the press for exposing such corruption and idiocy of our governmental policies! Let me just get out my credit card and make a donation to the cause.......
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:20am

"The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan" by Frontline
http://video.pbs.org/video/1474778660/
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:36am

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seconded.
id like to see it labled "DERP!"
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:41am

When I do a Google News search for Dyncorp, Techdirt comes up first.
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interval (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:47am

Re:
"WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!"

Well, DynCorp is...
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:48am

Re: Re: What!?
yes its bad. very bad.
but your viewpoints are quite narrow and only looks to punish a single corporate entity and not those who enabled and looked the other way which i feel is a mistake. the military elements who knew about it and the political powers behind those who knew of it also need to be included in this as its a systemic problem and punishing just dyncorp alone does nothing to get rid of the problem, it only serves to put on a show to keep the masses happy... some other corporation would just step up in their place and perpetuate the problem further.
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pringerX (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:48am

Re: Re:
I think some folks mistook my post for sarcasm. Venting is normal and human (and probably good for you now and then). The outrage at this incident is totally justified, but just jumping on board the rage bandwagon won't get much done. To Mike's credit, he must have the patience of a saint to have blogged about the issues he does for so long.
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Capt. Obvious, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:51am

What to do? Well...
1. Contact your state officials (i.e. senators, state representatives, governor, mayors, President) describing your disgust in what our taxpayer money is being used for. Remind them you learned this from Wikileaks. ;)

2. Email Dyncorp describing how vile and immoral their business ehtical behavior is.

3. Email Cerberus Capital Management since they are owners of Dyncorp and inform them how this will surely bring the value of their stocks down.

As a user of the internet, be passionate, show empathy and do something about this. We are not gonna be able to do anything about if we only read about it. Remember what JFK said, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Sorry for going out like that, but something needs to be done for once.
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:52am

Re:
mislead fail.

sure i get techdirt as the first link on just a simple search, click on the 'all 6 news articles' link and huffington post is first. and even with all that... so what? do you actually have a point or are you just trying to obfuscate the real issue?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:55am

Re: Re: Re: What!?
Then you need to damn the whole world, as Afghanistan is the largest producer of poppies, which arrives in the rest of the world as heroin. Everyone in country has knowledge of this, so they should all go to jail, be damned, and their personal websites attacked by the anons.

Your logic fails.
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Johnny, 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:58am

Joe Lieberman supports child rape
So this is the kind of thing Joe Lieberman wants to cover up? US tax-payer funded child rape.
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Revelati, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:01am

I can't believe how culturally insensitive you all are being, buggering little boys is a tradition passed down from father to son for thousands of years... All you western "goody two shoers" made such a hullabaloo about stoning women for being raped, that I thought the nitpickers would just let this one slide.

What's next? Are they going to stop people from sacrificing albino kids to bring in the crops next season? We are trying to win hearts and minds here folks!
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Capt. Obvious, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:03am

Whoops... I'm embarrased
In my previous post, I stated to contact Cerberus Capital Management that their ownership will devalue their stocks. Just learned that Cerberus is a private equity firm so they don't offer any stocks to the general public.

Well I am embarrased, but still contact Cerberus by email though.
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Alatar, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:03am

Re:
"What a sorry post. When you reach this sort of level, you know you have failed."

You would be the first to support censorship of the Internet (COICA and others) in the name of "protecting the children". And you know if such a censorship would have Wikileaks among its first victims.

So much for all those "we're doing it for the children" and "if you've got nothing to hide, why be afraid of being monitored every single second of your miserable life?".

I can imagine a discussion between afghan and american officials, and DynCorp executives, saying "it's ok, we'll use state secret to cover this up, and if someone reveals that, we'll call him a dangerous irresponsible pro-terrorist anarchist endangering lives"
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Jesse Townley (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:04am

Holy crap!
I hope all of the politicians who are confused about freedom of speech & freedom of press are honest enough to turn around and THANK Wikileaks for shedding more light on this truly disgusting scandal.

I'll be waiting a long time for that, but I can always dream. Meanwhile, I'm spreading the word and you should to.
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Hephaestus (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:04am

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I am so glad its not about, people driving cars through a Nazi theater, yelling fire, while watching hitler do a pole dance, to show tunes. :)
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:09am

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Nobody wants to censor wikileaks. wikileaks can post whatever they want that they own or have legal access to. they should not be permitted to reprint stolen, confidential, security related documents.

Censorship would by to say that Assange has no right to an opinion. He has all the right to express his opinions freely and in public. When he accepts stolen documents, and then holds and distributes state secrets, well, that is another story.

Mr Assange is more than free to express his opinions on fast cars, little boy parties, and any other topic he so chooses. He just has to do it without using stolen material or in violating public security.
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Hephaestus (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:12am

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DH - You are much better at wording things like this than me. Here is the Wikipedia entry for DynaCorp lets see what you can do with it in relation to this WikiLeaked document.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:17am

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they should not be permitted to reprint stolen, confidential, security related documents.

*yawn*
i feel i have to do my share here.
Julian Assange is not a US citizen and therefore US Laws Does not apply .
Beginning to catch on ?, he could be held responsible for crimes committed IN the US yes, but not AGAINST the us.
So unless he was on US soil and committed a crime there is no case here.
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Joe Dirt, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:19am

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So, based on your statements, any time a reporter exposes something illegal that was 'classified' by the U.S. government, the reporter is the one who is the criminal?
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Hephaestus (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:42am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
That probably sounded better in your head ...
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Kris B, 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:47am

Not so foreign....
While the activities in this incident are disgusting and deplorable, our governmental 'representatives' are not that appalled by the activities of pimping out young boys, they are only concerned that someone might 'out' their own uber pedophile tendencies that happen in back room power player parties in Washington D.C. This activity is a mentally retarded abuse of control and power. This is the ultimate domination of another human, which not surprisingly, is what most of the people engaged are after in the first place. On those days when they feel like another ADULT has usurped their power through some political game loss, they can return to the sanctity of their boys room and return to power as lord of the poor kid's bungholes. Sick bastards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_congressional_page_incident
http://www.hereinr eality.com/callboy.html
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btr1701 (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 11:48am

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> Censorship would by to say that Assange has no
> right to an opinion. He has all the right to
> express his opinions freely and in public.
> When he accepts stolen documents, and then
> holds and distributes state secrets, well,
> that is another story.

New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971)
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Dark Helmet (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:06pm

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Honestly, I've never edited a wiki page. Is it difficult?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:09pm

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So you're against child rape if it's not a secret but for child rape if it is a secret? Seriously interesting position to take.
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Jimmy the Geek (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:17pm

Nixon.
I sure am glad that Nixon didn't just classify the break in and execute any reporters that tried to tell America about the crimes being committed.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:18pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Mr Assange is not a UK or Swedish citizen either, but remarkably, is behind held behind bars in one regarding acts done in another.

Unless Mr Assange wants to go and hide in one of the few countries that wouldn't extradite him to the US, or perhaps in the cave with his cohort Mr Bin Ladin, then he might be safe from prosecution. Otherwise, he will live a life similar to most outlaws, hiding out, with limited movements, and with no ability to live a real life.

As it is, don't be shocked if the Australian government uses his current incarceration as a way to deliver notice that his passport has been revoked.

Don't let the 4chan anons mislead you, Mr Assange is in deep crap, legal and otherwise.
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ChimpBush McHitlerBurton, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:20pm

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That I would pay to see.

CBMHB
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:25pm

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why do i have the sudden urge for waffles and hash browns?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:26pm

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He is currently being held in the UK on behalf of Sweden as he is wanted for questioning on suspicion of having committed a crime while in Sweden.
Is it really that hard to read the fucking news ? or wait, you only watch Fox News right ?
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Chargone (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:27pm

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or, possibly, point out that techdirt managed to get to it first and with most relevance, which is sort of an achievement?

this is one of those interesting random facts people sometimes put up just because 'while we're on the subject, this was kinda interesting...' with no further motivation.

'course, Harbinger could be right too.
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Hephaestus (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:33pm

Re: What to do? Well...
What we need is a "Fight this cause site" that will allow people to set up a cause and promote it on Facebook, twitter, etc. With e-mail senator, print and mail senator, Send this guy a dead fish, etc buttons. History, a meetings and calender function, phone numbers for officials and corporations involved.

Be kind of fun. The legal version of Anon DDoS harassment.
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:36pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
how exactly does a statement that any military or political party that was aware of these events and allowed them to proceed should be held accountable equate to damming the entire world?
what exactly does this have to do with afghan poppies being turned into heroin? i get the tenuous connection you are trying to make, but its one thing for "everyone to know heroin comes from afghanistan" and thus holding every single person in the world accountable when they have nothing to do with either its production or distribution and/or failing to do something to stop it when they have no such power to do so... its quite a different thing to have military operations and us policy makers aware of an illegal and immoral practice (immoral based on current societal standards)and turn a blind eye to it.
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ignorant_s, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:38pm

Re: Re: Re: What!?
Well I didn't say that the government is unaccountable.

Remember, this is a cultural practice that has gone on supposedly for centuries. The US can't just bust into one of these parties, save all the children and impose our cultural norms on the Afghans and expect them to accept it. This stuff, as shocking as it is to us, is, well....delicate.

Who knows what the real story is here? But the Frontline documentary covering this topic is informative.
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:46pm

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hopefully you are right in that its just a "hey cool look at this" and thats it.

id rather you were right than me this time.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:46pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Uncyclopedia is a great place to try your mad wiki skillz

Maybe you have something to add to this article:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_Administrators
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 12:48pm

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Way to talk about the messenger and not the message!
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ChimpBush McHitlerBurton, 8 Dec 2010 @ 1:10pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
More like:

"Don't Touch� me in my private places!"

CBMHB
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ChimpBush McHitlerBurton, 8 Dec 2010 @ 1:12pm

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Yeah. Can I request an "I fart in your general direction" button? That would be useful.

CBMHB
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Boyo, 8 Dec 2010 @ 1:17pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
Sadly, the whole drug trade argument you've got there is rather weak. I'll assume you're trying to say that heroin (and/or it's use) itself is highly damaging and life-ruining, it's not. There are many other factors involved. Usually when one starts abusing a drug, there is already some other sort of deep psychological trauma that led them to the abuse/addiction of whatever substance that happened to meet his/her fancy. Case in point, Portugal. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html and http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080 Read it, it's quite entertaining I would think.
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Boyo, 8 Dec 2010 @ 1:24pm

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"buggering little boys" ?! lol

Gold, pure gold
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 1:33pm

"Remember, this is a cultural practice that has gone on supposedly for centuries. The US can't just bust into one of these parties, save all the children and impose our cultural norms on the Afghans and expect them to accept it. This stuff, as shocking as it is to us, is, well....delicate. "

If I as a private citizen, travel to Thailand to have sex with minors (boys or girls) the US govt. will arrest me when I get back. I guess companies that actually facilitate this in Afghanistan are exempt?

If an American bribes a foreigner, they are breaking a US Law, but I guess pimping out Afghan children is ok?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:14pm

Re: Re:
Perfectly consistent if you're the government employee doing the raping. And from that, we know that the GGP was involved.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:19pm

Re: Re: Re:
Watergate, Iran Contras where illegal should those people too be punished or celebrated?

Any harm that comes from transparency will be less harm then no transparency at all.

How many true crimes people will hide to save their on asses?

Those are not, common citizens, those are people supposed to carry on the will of their people and they hold immense power, and abuse it frequently for their own selfish purposes with serious consequences to everyone and you want them to be able to hide?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:22pm

Re: Re:
Hmmm...that may be the case. I can understand people on other cultures doing things that abhor others, what I don't get is how people of our own can do it and have no problems with it.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:27pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Nope it is easy.

You can download opensource wikinotes and train all you want.

You just need to get the tags right.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:30pm

Re:
was that wrong? should we not have done that?
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:31pm

"Remember, this is a cultural practice that has gone on supposedly for centuries. The US can't just bust into one of these parties, save all the children and impose our cultural norms on the Afghans and expect them to accept it. This stuff, as shocking as it is to us, is, well....delicate. "

I hope you are being sarcastic or a troll because I can understand other people from other cultures doing things that abhor us, what can't accept is people from our own, that have full knowledge of how people view those kind of thing doing it for whatever the reason.
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anothermike, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:47pm

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Nobody wants to censor wikileaks.

You really haven't been paying attention have you?

Let's spell it out so even an anonymous coward can understand. Our government has been using its national security blanket to cover up illegal activity by its contractors overseas. The administration classified the evidence to hide wrongdoing. Under normal circumstances they would be called out by our free media but that industry is too busy sucking off the administration to do their jobs so it's up to organizations like Wikileaks to fill the role of the Third Estate.

Worse than using their power to hide wrongdoing, they were caught using their power to hide wrongdoing. And worse than that, they were caught by an outsider like Wikileaks instead of by our own news companies who should have been on the case!

And now our administration is using its power to suppress the evidence of its wrongdoing instead of bringing the real criminals to justice.

Does that clear things up for you?
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another anonymous, 8 Dec 2010 @ 2:56pm

Re:
They're trying but there's just so many targets in the fight against censorship.

And yes, if our government spent half the energy from suppressing the leak on prosecuting the criminal acts revealed in the leak, the world would be a better place.
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anothermike, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:10pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
Worse than turning a blind eye to it is actively covering it up by hiding the evidence behind a classified coversheet.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:13pm

George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:16pm

One thing to remember is that the govt. didn't read this report (cable) and say, "Oh, we better classify this one." All of the communications are classified.

That being said, people should be going to jail over this, and not Wikileaks people.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:17pm

Re: Joe Lieberman supports child rape
you needed to put that in an anchor tag so search engines can index it, like this:

Lieberman supports child rape
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ignorant_s (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:31pm

Re:
"If I as a private citizen, travel to Thailand to have sex with minors (boys or girls) the US govt. will arrest me when I get back. I guess companies that actually facilitate this in Afghanistan are exempt?"

Whoa. Slow your roll.

No. Thats actually not true. Thailand can arrest you. But the crime is out of the US's jurisdiction. That's why they don't arrest every US citizen who flies in from a vacation in Amsterdam or Jamaica smelling of weed...

As far as the second point, I am not sure where you got the impression that I support the "pimping out of children". All responsible parties should be held accountable, and I have stated that. I am simply looking at this from a critical, rather than emotional perspective.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:42pm

Re: Re: Re:
That or he plays a lot of Halo or other such shooter for a visceral release of pent up aggravation.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 3:58pm

Re: Re: Re:
This isn't legal even in their own culture, so that isn't an excuse.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 4:14pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
It is clear. The little boys thing is merely a distraction, a shiny object meant to distract you from the reality that Wikileaks may be breaking the law, and at a minimum, is aware that the law was broken to give them documents they are not legally allowed to possess.

I put little boys up against the fields of poppies, which harm millions of people around the world, including the children of addicts and addicts under 18. In many cases, the military (and private contractors) specifically ignore the poppy fields, or even help to make it safe enough for the harvests to take place. I could go on.

The point is that there are all sorts of criminal actions all over the world. None of them mitigates or somehow takes away the seriousness of the actions of Wikileaks. This entire TD post is intended to do so. It's not information, it's rhetoric at it's finest, nothing more, and nothing less.
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Alex Bowles, 8 Dec 2010 @ 4:31pm

Re:
@ ignorant_s

The issue is not that this happens. It's that it happens on our dime. We can't control what they do, but we can sure as hell decide what we do.

Like what Senator McCain said about torture (shortly before losing his mind completely) "It's not about who they are. It's about who we are".

Also, reason #3,247 why getting into a land war in Asia is a bad idea.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 4:50pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
"...the law was broken to give them documents they are not legally allowed to possess. "

US laws end at the border.
Yes, the one who gave Wikileaks the documents likely broke the law, Wikileaks however did not.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 5:36pm

From the justice dept. website:

The United States has risen to take legislative action against the growing evils of child sex tourism. In 1994, Congress established 18 U.S.C. � 2423(b), which is aimed towards prosecution of child sex tourists. Section 2423(b) criminalizes traveling abroad for the purpose of engaging in illegal sexual activity with a minor.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 6:40pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
Actually, US law ends at the border, but since the document theft started in the US, everyone attached to it is in the same deep crap. Assange may be playing games by having no fixed address and trying to live in the cracks, but in the end, he is still part of a conspiracy to obtain and distribute classified documents.

Anyone else notice that he appears to be running a bit of a cult of personality? This image: http://wikileaks.ch/img/ja-main.jpg seems to be more about selling him and his personal stand rather than the actual content.
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Rose M. Welch (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 6:58pm

Re: Re:
...but no one will care.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 7:00pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
Just to make this absolutely clear since you seem unable to grasp it on your own, when i say "US law ends at the border".

That includes handling of documents that the US deems unlawful without the proper clearance.
I'll even highlight the important bit to be extra super clear(god knows it seems like you need it).

**This!** "..that the US deems unlawful without the proper clearance." **This!**

Now if you still cant grasp this, i recommend you sue your teachers to get your tuition money back.
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Emanuel, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:33pm

You know, you can't help but be scared. In the name of "national security," peoples' basic civil rights are being shat on. If our government has committed sins to others and to the world, they should, indeed, be exposed, acted upon, and corrected. Shrouding immoral government policy under the guise of secrecy while ruining the life of a man with unimaginably false sexual charges is completely unruly and wrong. It is my hope that both sides in the matter shall be reprimanded, though I hope it does not come at the life of this man.
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Lea King from the Outside, 8 Dec 2010 @ 8:43pm

Was not Dyncorp involved in similar activities in the Balkans back in the 1990's when concerned persons at the location brought to light Dyncorps involvement in child slavery for emplyment purposes and sexual gratification of adulrt persons. One Kathryn Bolkovac was sacked from her job for revealing the matter, and little else done.
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Brett, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:02pm

Re:
Do you live in opposite world? Do you think what Wikileaks has done in releasing government documents is the same as auctioning children for sex?

Wikileaks is being dragged over hot coals pointing this filth out and you think that a report like this should just be ignored. Unbelievable.
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Dec 2010 @ 9:50pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What!?
Less than 1/250th of the documents have been released. But the releasing of said documents is illegal and if it shows illegal activity, well, it's just merely a distraction from the releasing part? Not, in this case, the raping part?
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jk1173 (profile), 8 Dec 2010 @ 10:59pm

Dynacorp
I think there's $2 billion that can quickly and easily be cut from the budget/US deficit.. the US government wouldn't want to be charged with child pornography, child molestation, contributing to the delinquency of minors, indecency or any of the other multitudinous charges that qualify if this happened on US soil. How can we say that children in any other country deserve to be treated less than our own and still hold up our heads with American pride? (rhetorical question - the answer is we can't/couldn't and shouldn't).

Our country was not founded on double-standards, we shouldn't condone double standards now (as in if anyone BUT the US government tried to get away with this behavior (not that we would), we'd be prosecuted to the full extent of the law). Being the government isn't a good enough reason for an exception. I AM the people and government representatives are to serve the interests and needs of the people (you and me), not their own bank accounts.
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2010 @ 4:54am

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What the hell does your comment even mean?
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2010 @ 5:59am

Hey stupid people...the muslims are trying to kill you. these are not idle threats. they intend on obtaining nukes and setting one off right in your back yard. wikileaks is attempting to force our military to fragment itself by closing or restricting the free-flow of intelligence between branches so that our military is less efficient. That makes it easier fr the bad guys to kill us. stop acting like a bunch of college sophomores and wake up.
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 9 Dec 2010 @ 6:57am

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Why not just sum up with "9/11!!!"

First, 'Muslims' are not trying to kill us... radical branches of the Muslim faith are... or were, since we haven't really seen much success from their camps recently, have we? If you want to continue with the stereotyping and racism, I recommend the application of a brick to your head. Works wonders.

Second, wikileaks is NOT trying to weaken America. They are trying to facilitate transparency so that crimes like the one leaked here don't go unnoticed or unpunished. And that's a bad thing?

Third, if the release of these acts is fragmenting our military or government, then MAYBE OUR MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT SHOULD STOP DOING BAD THINGS! Are you seriously trying to pass the blame of these horrible actions onto the person who brought it to light? Really?

And let me go a bit deeper on that one... are you saying wikileaks is forcing the military to close down it's communications to make it harder for wikileaks to get at it? Ok... so why the hell do they need to hide what they're saying? WL has never leaked anything except the horrible actions that need the light of day. If the military is closing down inter-branch communications, then as I said before, maybe they should think about what they're trying to hide.

Now, if you're quite done trolling, please go back under your bridge, wrap yourself up in the flag and rock yourself to sleep whimpering about how they're coming to get you.
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DH's Love Child (profile), 9 Dec 2010 @ 7:06am

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Its the price of doing business.

Except there's this annoying law called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, that expressly prohibits this. Even if it's "the cost of doing business" it is prohibited, and the company stands to lose a TON of money for it.
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dustin, 9 Dec 2010 @ 10:33am

dyn corp needs to be investigated further
I am a previous dyn corp employee, and can say the amount of corruption and general sloppy management of Dyn Corps contracts is staggering. I would receive emails DAILY from contractors in the field about workers taken into backrooms by management and beat and sexually abused. When they tried to report it they were told theyd be sent to an afghani jail for trumpt up charges. People are being lied to about what their pay will be and their job conditions. We had two pass away because they were sent to a hot zone that was deemed unsafe for contractors. if somebody doesnt review their actions soon another incident like this will come up i garuntee it.
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jc, 9 Dec 2010 @ 7:32pm

wow
so yeah...dyncorp their name comes up again. ALWAYS child porn rings with these guys, not surprised that WE the people funded them when they had their "parties" not surprised at all...
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Fred, 10 Dec 2010 @ 4:36am

More propaganda
Wikileaks is Mossad propaganda for the US to continue endless Wars for Israel, it all started nearly a decade ago under a false flag attack.
9/11 and Israel, here:
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526
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The dude, 10 Dec 2010 @ 9:25am

The nature of a unidirectional tension... :)
Hi,
The curious thing about the way things work for the hypocrits is that they will say do this and then they go do the opposite. This generates a unidirectional tension in the mass consciousness which is continually being increased in strain. (not unlike how electricity potentials between the earth and a cloud will build up before a lightning discharge.) The result will be either a controlled or an explosive correction to the skewed aspect of our group reality. The only side left with some rationality in thought is the one that doesn't side with either the victims or the hypocrits. (aka the public or the bankers/illuminati) It will be interesting to watch how things progress. Capitalisms true purpose is now being seen. Divide, conquer, control. I'm just hoping the correction isn't to far off.

Regards,
The Dude
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Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2010 @ 9:53am

Take action
If we want to affect any kind of change whatsoever we need to make our elected officials know that if they don't do something about this it will cost them their jobs.

Find your elected official here and write to them:
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
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Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2010 @ 7:42pm

This clearly shows that we are living in stone age not in modern age. The activities done by these sort of companies are shameful. These sort of activities are supporting "Might is Right" and obviously the people who are supporting this must know that time never same all the time and might be one day future generation of these people may face the same thing.

Therefore I would say we all must say no to these sort of activities which DynCorp is doing and strongly condemn them.
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Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden, 11 Dec 2010 @ 6:03am

Gangsta Govt
Whatcha expect from a pack of perverts who perform snuff kiddie porn to a 50-foot-tall idol of Molech at kosher Bohemian Grove nudist compound.
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Orjin Krem, 12 Dec 2010 @ 3:35am

Saddam
that Saddam Hussein is a huge farce and I like Wikileaks documents, false documents and think that is ridiculous. thanks orjin krem.
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Orjin Krem, 12 Dec 2010 @ 3:38am

Saddam
that Saddam Hussein is a huge farce and I like Wikileaks documents, false documents and think that is ridiculous. thanks orjin krem.
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Darryl, 12 Dec 2010 @ 5:30pm

Its an afgan tradition, nothing to do with the US..
I saw a documentary on this, it has nothing to do with the US, and the "pimps" are afganis, and the 'prostitutes' are volentary, and they ARE DANCERS ONLY..

there is simply NO WAY, that a US citizen, would be able to "assume the role of a pimp" in this situation..

This article has been writting by someone, (again), that does not HAVE A FREAKING clue about what is actually happening.. and who does not care to find out...

So there IS NOT WAY in the world, that the US would be "pimping" these kids...

It is part of afgan culture, again, it has nothing to do with the US, it has been happening for thousands of years there, well before the US even existed..

And mike you know how bad it is when you have to refer to other "crimes" in an attempt to mitigate something else that you support...

The US in afgan, got a 'PASS' for the simple fact, they did not break any laws.. Those 'dancers' have been doing that for thousands of years, they are volentary, well looked after, protected... it would not be possible for a non-afgan to have any control over them.

And US laws do not apply there, so if no law is broken, and the US can easily prove they were not the "pimps", (easy to prove as its not possible).

Then what can they be charged on Mike ??? NOT breaking a law ??

But trying to compare assange with US military, is a joke, ,and reflects your lack of knowledge of the real world..

Like your stupid claims that the US would be cheering if Assange was attacking China..

You are a fool if you think China and the US do not have a VERY VERY VERY close relationship..

Who the hell do you think PAY you guys in the US for the last 10 years or so ??

Not freaking yourselves, you cant even balance your books !!!..

So no each US citizen man, woman, or child, own China at least $30,000 each.. EACH....

China does not have to bomb the US to destroy it,, it simply just has to ask for its money back...... now..

America could not pay, so china would say ok, we'll seize your assets, or your country as well need some more space..

And dont try to attack us, because we'll also stop paying your military, and funding your continuous wars, against nothing..

Or china will just one day say, we are sick of lending your money, go screw yourself, you're not getting any more..

Result, America collapses.. which it will anyway,, its just a matter of time. if not allready..
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Darryl, 12 Dec 2010 @ 5:38pm

A whole $2 billion a year
Gee so much money..

I wonder how much the US pays for their wars in the middle east,, oh thats right I know that..

Yes, its over $10 BILLIONS PER MONTH, for how long,, we'll about 10 years, about 120 months, at OVER $10 billion a month !!!!!!!..

And what does this group cost, $2 billion a year..

A single good sized storm, in a US city would easily cause over $2 billion damage in one day..

So the US borrows trillions of dollars from china, so they can fund a war (at 10 billion a month), and give tax cuts to the mega rich..

I wonder how much fiscal stumulus, $10 billion dollars a month would have on the US economy, if it was spent on the US economy ??

But why worry about that, when all that is important, is TODAY, who cares that your kids will have to pay for it, and pay ALOT.. for a war they were not even born when it started..

And the US is failing recently, big time, its dollar is failing, its in recession, it has massive unemploymehnt, but you will still spend $10 billion A FREAKING MONTH, on a failed war..

the US is addicted to borrowing money, and being in war..

Trouble is they are not good at either..
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hmm, 14 Dec 2010 @ 1:48am

murder?
So the info about the US government selling children as sex slaves in afghanistan goes public and just a short while later the "special envoy" to afghanistan suddenly decides to develop a split aorta and conveniently dies before he can be forced to answer any questions.....
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brandin Pope, 31 Jan 2011 @ 11:18am

dyncorps
my brother marine sniper with a medal of valor and a christian background went to work for dyncorps the last time he came home alive he bought two assault rifles and thousands of rounds and showed his family how to use to defend the home that was his last time home he spoke of something bad happening and he was gonna go to the supervisor there are more details but the rundown he was shot in the head execution style from beyond three feet the bullet untraceable. dyncorps damage control team stepped in armed and dangerous. HELP!!
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Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2011 @ 1:49am

I can't believe that some crimes can be so blatent that they are making movies about them but still no one does a thing.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896872/
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