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End Result Of HADOPI? Higher ISP Fees

from the but-is-anyone-buying-more? dept

Mon, Jan 3rd 2011 7:07pm — Mike Masnick

It's not like people didn't warn everyone what would happen with various three strikes laws. The costs for ISPs were widely discussed, even if the recording industry lobbyists insisted they were overblown. Yet, here we are, a few months into France's HADOPI implementation of three strikes, and French ISPs are already warning users that they need to jack up fees to pay for compliance with HADOPI. And, of course, no one has provided any evidence that kicking people off the internet for file sharing makes anyone any more likely to buy. So, now, not only are people less inclined to buy just in general, but they have less money, because they have to pay more to their ISP. How's that going to save the recording industry's old business again?

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Pixelation, 3 Jan 2011 @ 7:29pm

But...
Just think of all the extra jobs created by HADOPI!
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ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 3 Jan 2011 @ 7:30pm

Duh.
Because they'll have all the extra money they've saved by not having internet access to spend on CDs.

You don't really think like an industry lawyer, Mike.
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- Andreas, 3 Jan 2011 @ 11:28pm
  
  Re: Duh.
  Well, they still have to pay for their Internet connection, even if they don't have one..
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monkyyy, 3 Jan 2011 @ 7:31pm

this will most defiantly hurt the online game market, it needs to be removed to 'save' that media
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2011 @ 7:46pm

The French are a bunch of bit@@es..... Also, they may suck my A@@
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- Qritiqal (profile), 3 Jan 2011 @ 7:50pm
  
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  Why don't you keep your @@@@ing @@@@ sh@t and go @@@@ it @@@ @@@ @@@@@@@@@@@?
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  - ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 3 Jan 2011 @ 8:08pm
    
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    @@@@ @@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@ @@@!
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 12:03am
      
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      - btr1701 (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 3:31pm
        
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        Those aren't the right numbers. Everyone knows the right numbers are:
        
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      - ltlw0lf (profile), 5 Jan 2011 @ 9:36am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re:
        49 20 66 65 65 6c 20 74 68 65 20 73 61 6d 65 20 77 61 79 2e 20
        
        Shouldn't that last "20" be a "00"? I cannot find the end of the string without a null (ok, maybe the implicit 0e/0c at the end of the post should tell me.)
        
        But why keep the space after the "."
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- Nick Taylor, 3 Jan 2011 @ 9:41pm
  
  Francais
  Yea - I presume from your spelling of "ass" and the fact that you're so repressed that you self-censor it that you're of that species of American who first started hating The French at about the same time you first heard of them - when they were disobedient to America over the Iraq war.
  
  You should have listened to them... they'd have saved you about 3 trillion dollars (according to J Stiglitz)...
  
  ... however, you shouldn't be "bitching" about them now, because this 3-strike thing was all done to be obedient to America. http://bit.ly/esfhzC
  
  Instead you should be "bitching" about Spain, who had the spine (when they found out that 3-Strikes is an American invention) to throw the law out.
  
  Comprende?
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  - btr1701 (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 3:33pm
    
    Re: Francais
    > You should have listened to them... they'd have saved you
    > about 3 trillion dollars
    
    Nah, it wouldn't have. The Dems would have just said, "Oh, look! An extra $3 trillion. Now how can we manage to flush that down the shitter too?"
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2011 @ 8:16pm

Imagine how much lower ISP fees would be if people just stopped breaking the law.

No wait, let's blame it on everything else except the obvious.
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- Pixelation, 3 Jan 2011 @ 8:33pm
  
  Re:
  We could blame it on the obvious troll...
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 12:11am
    
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    - Not an electronic Rodent, 4 Jan 2011 @ 2:02am
      
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      Really? I'd never noticed that it wasn't supposed to do both. By the way... geek points for morse use. Fantastic. I lose points though as I had to go find an online translator.....
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 7:29am
      
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- Rose M. Welch (profile), 3 Jan 2011 @ 8:42pm
  
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  So you believe that the end of piracy would bring about the end of Hadopi? Really?
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  - abc gum, 4 Jan 2011 @ 4:30am
    
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    Zing ...
    Good one !
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 5:18am
    
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    Rose, pretty logical conclusion, don't you think? Hadopi exists because there is piracy. Remove the piracy, and what would they do all day? Perhaps in some bizarre twist of French logic, they would end up patrolling the internet for ignorant home schooling moms, but otherwise, they wouldn't have much left to do.
    
    A caused B. Remove A, and B no longer needs to exist.
    
    Think of this as the (not so) hidden costs of piracy.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 5:35am
      
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      ahahahaha, nice oone
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    - CrushU, 4 Jan 2011 @ 10:08am
      
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      I'm marking that comment as Funny.
      
      'end up' patrolling the internet... Ah haha...
      'Hadopi exists because there is piracy', ahhh, priceless. You are a master of humor, sir.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 11:01am
      
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      YOUR logic is messed up.
      
      Let's see:
      
      A: Bullet in head
      B: Death
      
      So, according to you, by removing the bullet from the head of someone who got shot, suddenly he'll start living again.
      
      Masterful conclusion!
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    - Vincent Clement (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 11:07am
      
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      You really don't understand how government agencies operate, do you? If terrorism is wiped out, do you think the Department of Homeland Security would be eliminated?
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    - Rose M. Welch (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 8:36pm
      
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      You're such a cute little stalker.
      
      Can you name one agency that was closed when it's purpose was fulfilled?
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2011 @ 9:24pm
  
  Re:
  CULTURE HARD!!!
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- RadialSkid (profile), 3 Jan 2011 @ 11:45pm
  
  Re:
  Yeah, and there'd be no starvation if those emaciated third world people you see on TV would just eat something.
  
  Brilliant solutions for real problems!
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- Richard (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 1:32pm
  
  Re:
  Imagine how much lower ISP fees would be if people just stopped breaking the law.
  
  No wait, let's blame it on everything else except the obvious.
  
  Imagine how much air fares would be if gravity just stopped.
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Wolfy, 3 Jan 2011 @ 9:21pm

But think of the children!!
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- The eejit (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 1:08am
  
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  The children got eaten to feed the HADOPI maschine. Two rpoblems solved in one go. [/sarc]
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2011 @ 9:40pm

Bankrupting and destroying other people's lives is the true way how the Industries make their money like the parasites they are.

Well remember we live under capitalism...
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sebsauvage, 3 Jan 2011 @ 11:49pm

It has nothing to do with HADOPI.
It has nothing to do with HADOPI. This surge in price is only due to a recent change in VAT.
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- Alex, 4 Jan 2011 @ 1:15am
  
  Re: It has nothing to do with HADOPI.
  The change in VAT is only responsible for a maximum of 3� or so.
  
  Free has itemized their bill so that the TV portion of it (the part that the VAT is applied to) works out to only 2� and so the extra tax on that is about 20 cents.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 2:00am

EMI R.I.P.
http://www.musicdish.com/mag/?id=12797

Anybody feeling sorry for them in France?
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milrtime83 (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 4:27am

Seeing how ISP's are just as corrupt and always looking for an excuse to raise prices, they could just be using HADOPI as one of those reasons whether it is really a significant cost to them or not.
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abc gum, 4 Jan 2011 @ 4:33am

Their real goal it to kill the internet - and piracy is simply the excuse.
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abc gum, 4 Jan 2011 @ 5:37am

http://oi51.tinypic.com/29ggbht.jpg
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2011 @ 7:09am

But I like being ripped off by the RIAA and whoever they represent. I bought the new Keith Urban CD and got totally burned. I got 8 songs for $14.99 with only 1 memorable song. I won't buy the next full CD. I will buy the 1 song download (maybe). Once bitten, twice and forever shy.
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- Vincent Clement (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 11:10am
  
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  How a music CD can still cost $14.99 these days is beyond me.
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- Monarch, 4 Jan 2011 @ 12:14pm
  
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  $14.99 for a music CD is what leads most people to Piracy! They should be taking a 1 off the front of that number, and I'd bet people would flock to the stores to buy CD's again!
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Karl (profile), 4 Jan 2011 @ 12:26pm

Another effect of HADOPI
Let's not forget another effect of HADOPI: an increase in piracy levels.

No matter how you look at it, HADOPI is an epic fail.
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egbert, 5 Jan 2011 @ 7:59am

isn't it strange how, when warned that ISPs costs would increase, recording industry lobbyists insisted the figures were overblown. if selling less media means the entertainment industries lose money, then selling less internet connection contracts must mean ISPs lose money. as has been said many times in many places, the entertainment industries lie continuously about how much they are 'losing'. when anyone else predicts losses and price increases, because of what the entertainment industries are doing, they are told it wont happen/no need, losses will be minimal. shows the lack of concern for anyone other than themselves. the sooner other companies realise that they are going to bear the brunt of what the entertainment industries are doing to the internet, and start to fight against it, the better.
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