Father Of The Great Firewall Defends Chinese Internet Censorship By Noting The US Does The Same Thing
from the not-quite...-but... dept
The LA Times points us to a fascinating (English-language) interview with the guy in China credited with creating that country's Great Firewall censorship system, named Fang Binxing. The interview has a bunch of interesting nuggets -- including the fact that he has 5 VPN accounts to get around his own Great Firewall. Though, to be fair, he insists that those VPNs are for research only, to make sure the Great Firewall is doing what it's supposed to do.The report also notes that Fang appears to be widely hated throughout China. When he recently joined a Twitter-like Chinese "microblogging" clone, he was immediately attacked by angry citizens who hate the Great Firewall. I actually find this admission quite fascinating, because the Chinese government, for many years, has tried to spin things to the rest of the world by claiming that most Chinese appreciated the censorship, because it kept them focused/less distracted/less subjected to dumb TV. However, Fang's admission suggests a lot of people are not at all happy about the Great Firewall.
But, the most interesting point of all is how he defends the Great Firewall by claiming that pretty much every other country -- including the US -- does something similar:
Such a firewall is a "common phenomenon around the world," he argues, and nor is China alone in monitoring and controlling the Internet.Of course, "monitoring" the internet, and totally censoring it are two very different things. Still, this does highlight a point we've made a few times around here. Every time the US does something that appears to weaken freedom of speech or set up some sort of censorship system like COICA, we have less and less credibility or leverage when it comes to other countries and trying to convince them not to censor online services.
"As far as I know, about 180 countries including South Korea and the US monitor the Internet as well."
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When you want to hold yourself up as a standard...
Power breeds the need to control anything that could lessen your power.
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Please provide a 10-year period during which U.S. was the magical fairy land.
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Heterosexuals outside of marriage.
Homosexuals.
Blacks having sex with whites.
Today, pedosexuals.
Tomorrow, it will be someone else.
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http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=94865
LOL!
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We Do It ...
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Oh Mike, you are so transparent at times. If Fidel Castro came out against patents and copyrights, you would call him a great forward thinking man who supports freedom.
Watching you go when you get onto something is really quite amusing.
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You even managed to do the "But... But..." with a completely straight face. Kudos to you.
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"Enemy Of The State Criticizes China's Beloved Internet Firewall"
or perhaps
"Normal Day In China, No New Points Raised"
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Yeah, that's downright twisted...
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Could someone in Congress please help me protect the ducks?!
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Makes sense to me. There are a lot of people in China. Most are focused/less distracted/not wasting their time on a microblogging clone and the others don't like the great firewall :)
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like i tell my kids
of course that does not work so well with adults.
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Though, to be fair, he insists that those VPNs are for research only
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Where a person or group of people know they are being monitored, this tends to have a chilling effect on freedom of speech. This is the reason most courts uphold the anonymous comments as protected.
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Bullshit
http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2011/01/customs-chief-defends-seizure.php
The US has always enforced laws. But because other countries abuse laws, we no longer can have any at all?
Ludicrous as always.
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B.S.
http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2011/01/customs-chief-defends-seizure.php
The US has always enforced laws. But because other countries abuse laws, we no longer can have any at all?
Ludicrous as always.
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Ludicrous
From the National Journal:
The US has always enforced laws. But because other countries abuse laws, we no longer can have any at all?
Ludicrous as always.
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How is that not a logical extension of what's being said?
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Or do you really think Iran needs America speaking out against The Pirate Bay to shut down civil rights? Reality has already spoken, and no it doesn't.
Did you know that (*gasp*) in America we put criminals in JAIL? But surely evil nations will use that as an excuse to unfairly incarcerate people in turn!?
Quick! Empty the prisons! China might be ready to jail another activist!
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Nope. You are right. They don't need the US to anything to keep doing what they have been doing.
The problem is that when the US starts doing these types of activities themselves it erodes the ethical foundation away and the US will no longer be able to stand on the high ground and decry such things anymore.
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Iran and China aren't trying to bully the rest of the world into increasing repressive measures whilst hypocritically pretending they are against such measures, like the US does.
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See, that would make perfect sense, except for one thing: the U.S. is extremely vocal about being anti-censorship in other countries, and constantly makes statements to the effect that they ARE concerned about how other states around the world treat the internet, as well as dedicating money to promoting internet freedom overseas. They can't have it both ways.
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It's always been that way in America.
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Terrorist websites? Would that be any website that calls for the overthrow of the United States? Which, by the way, our own Founding Fathers said was a viable choice.
Another salient point, most of the 'terrorists' have been created by the United States own bad actions in the world in the past 100 years.
Piracy? Get real, you are never going to get rid of that, and companies are just going to have to 'compete with free' by giving people things at a reasonable price with the peace of mind that those things are not virus/malware infested.
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It isn't a new boogie man. It's the same item that has been used since the internet went commercial back in the mid 90s. See acts like COPA, COPAII, the Adam Walsh Law, all the administrative changes to laws like USC 18 section 2256 and 2257 (regarding commercial adult sites), and so on... all are done "to protect the kids", but have little or no "kid protection" in them.
Child porn is a real issue. What ICE is doing is actually somewhat more effective than the usual hand wringing and finger pointing.
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I can also say the sites did nothing wrong as not one of them has had a hearing in a court of law.
Also the screw up shutting down 84.000 websites in one seizure is just a hint that those domains are not being checked correctly and the judge is just rubber stamping everything that comes his way.
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The hearing in court comes after. It may never happen if the people are not US citizens or residents, as they may never answer a summons.
As for the "84,000", please try to follow along. They shut down a single domain. That the domain had "sold" or "given out" 84,000 sub-domains doesn't change anything at all. It is one single domain. The third level domains are a contract between the dynamic DNS people and their users, not subject to the rules and laws that exist for domain names, not part of the domain name agreement.
Thanks for playing, but if you are going to rant, try ranting about things that have some basis in law.
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How about ICE try to do something constructive than alert the pedos that they're on to them and force them to flee like roaches?
If you're going to rant they're in the right, why not make sure they go after the bad guys and NOT screw up on the BS such as this?
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Now America want to censor its population.
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It's that the US is losing its own standing to speak out against censorship.
The more of a hypocrite you show yourself to be, the less the rest of the world will take you seriously. You want to lose your credibility, by all means, commit the same violations that you're bad mouthing others for. Don't be surprised when other respectable nations start ignoring you though.
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A Chinese firewall creator approved of he United States of America's censorship, and said it was just like theirs.
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Freedom is an illusion
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