Censr: Alt-Right Twitter Alternative Gettr Bans Posts, Accounts Calling One Of Its Backers A Chinese Spy

from the no-bettr-than-the-alternatives dept

As so-called "conservatives" (a decently large number of them appearing to actually be white supremacists and bigots engaged in harassment) complained Big Tech was slanted against them, a host of new services arrived to meet the sudden demand. Gab, Gettr, etc. hit the marketplace of ideas, promising freedom from the "censorship" of "liberal" social media platforms, ignoring evidence that indicated "conservatives" weren't actually being "censored," but rather extremists calling themselves "conservatives" were being booted for multiple violations of site policies.

New services arrived, promising unabridged speech and a safe space for bigots, transphobes, disgruntled MAGAts, and everyone else who felt oppressed because they frequently went asshole on main. But as soon as these sites debuted, they began moderating all sorts of speech, starting with the clearly illegal and ramping things up to eject trolls and critics.

Moderation at scale remains impossible. And it's not much easier when you're dealing with thousands of users rather than millions or billions. Decisions need to be made. While it was clear to see the upstarts were unfamiliar with the moderation issues bigger platforms have struggled with for years, it was also clear to see the upstarts were more than happy to "censor" speech they didn't like, despite claiming to be the last bastions of online free speech.

"You're free to say whatever you want," platforms like Gab and Gettr proclaimed, muttering asterisks under their breath. You were indeed free to say what you wanted, but that would not prevent your content or your account being banned, deleted, etc.

Gettr has experienced the growing pains of platform moderation. This has happened despite its initial guarantees (*offer void pretty much everywhere) that it would only remove illegal content. Porn is not illegal, yet Gettr seemed to have a problem with all the porn being posted by users, perhaps because a majority of it involved animated animals.

It also had problems keeping trolls from impersonating the illustrious conservative figures it hoped to host exclusively. Aggressive trolling resulted in Gettr temporarily banning Roger Stone's actual account under the assumption it couldn't possibly be the real Roger Stone. It followed this up a few months later by banning the term "groyper" in an effort to limit the amount of white supremacist content it had to host. This too was somewhat of a failure. First, it told white supremacists their awful (but not illegal) speech wasn't welcome on the "free speech" alternative to Twitter. Then it became apparent the ban on "groyper" could be easily evaded by adding an o or two.

Now, there's even more "censorship" to be had at Gettr. One of its financial backers is Guo Wengui, a (former) billionaire and supposed anti-communist who recently filed for bankruptcy. There are reasons to believe Wengui isn't the most trustworthy of online associates. Wengui left China and has spent several years living in a New York City hotel overlooking Central Park. He has applied for asylum but has yet to be granted this request. Despite apparently distancing himself from China, he is still hounded by claims that he's only in the US to obtain information he can deliver to the Chinese government. These allegations were made by Strategic Vision US during a lawsuit over business dealings the company had with Wengui.

Strategic Vision said it concluded Mr. Guo was seeking information on Chinese nationals who may have been helping the U.S. government in national-security investigations or who were involved in other sensitive matters, according to the filing.

“Guo never intended to use the fruits of Strategic Vision’s research against the Chinese Communist Party,” the court filing said. “That is because Guo was not the dissident he claimed to be. Instead, Guo Wengui was, and is, a dissident-hunter, propagandist, and agent in the service of the People’s Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party.”

Others have echoed this allegation. While it has yet to be proven true, Gettr is insulating its bankrupted backer from online criticism by deleting content that insinuates Wengui is a Chinese spy.

Journalists at the Daily Beast spent a few days running accounts on Gettr to see if the "free speech" site had a problem with criticizing Wengui. Unsurprisingly, the "we won't censor" platform engages in plenty of moderation when it comes to speech it doesn't like.

In an attempt to test the claims that even so much as mentioning the allegations of Guo being a “spy” would result in a permanent suspension from the platform, The Daily Beast created six separate Gettr accounts critical of Guo over the past two weeks.

These accounts posted variations on the question of whether the platform’s billionaire benefactor is a “Chinese spy.” For example, one of the accounts asked, “Does Chinese spy Miles Guo fund Gettr?” It was banned from the platform just 19 minutes after its creation. “Guo a spy??” another Daily Beast-operated account asked in response to a post from the businessman.

All six accounts were promptly banned, with 83 minutes being the longest span of time a single critical post remained live. They were banned without notice of wrongdoing or explanation for the permanent suspensions.

The hypocritical chickens have come home to roost. You're free to run your mouth on Gettr with copious exceptions. And one of those exceptions is the repeating allegations about someone who put some money into Gettr. Meanwhile, over on Twitter, users are free to insinuate the company's principals and backers are in bed with the Chinese government without running afoul of the terms of service.

Gettr will undoubtedly continue to pretend it's a free speech champion, even as it engages in actions that show it's really no more protective of speech than any other platform. It will continue to disappoint refugees from other, more heavily-trafficked social media platforms by engaging in (completely lawful!) moderation of speech it would rather not see on its platform. And while it may be more inviting of general harassment of people with alternative viewpoints (which is generally a lot less fun in Gettr's echo chamber) and election/COVID misinformation, it sees absolutely nothing wrong with silencing dissent and criticism. Its promises of a social media Wild West are as empty as its promises to give Twitter users a better place to express their "conservative" views.

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Filed Under: china, content moderation, guo wengui, jason miller
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    That One Guy (profile), 25 Feb 2022 @ 11:12am

    Another day ending in 'Y' Is it?

    At this point 'conservative 'free speech' platform ends up being just as bad if not worse than the platforms they condemn when it comes to moderation' is so regular and guaranteed you could ditch setting your time from an atomic clock and move to setting it to that instead.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 25 Feb 2022 @ 11:23am

    Imagine my shock that MeinSpace isn't working out they thought it would.
    Now the various factions are claiming to be the true voice of MeinSpace, as they turn on each other in ways much worse than they ever experienced on those other liberal platforms who hate them because they are conservative (not because they were calling for the murder of Pence to giving 'Merkia back to its true leader).

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 25 Feb 2022 @ 11:42am

    Voting with your footnotes

    muttering asterisks under their breath.

    Punctuation saves lives!

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 25 Feb 2022 @ 11:45am

    Huh. This must be an example of the “political differences” over which some people around here say Twitter and Facebook ban people. And yet, this isn’t a story about Twitter and Facebook. Odd. 🤔

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 25 Feb 2022 @ 5:36pm

      And it turns out that none of those people seem to be showing up here to talk about how this is egregious censorship from a social media company or how these bans shouldn’t be protected by Section 230 or whatever.

      Odd. 🤔

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 25 Feb 2022 @ 1:08pm

    You're free to run your mouth on Gettr with copious exceptions.

    So not quite free.

    It's just another example of thinking you can do it better, and failing as usual.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 25 Feb 2022 @ 1:26pm

    Any service or whatever that claims they're pro free speech or pro freedom of expression is quite literally full of shit.

    I'm honestly surprised people haven't learned that by now.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 25 Feb 2022 @ 2:25pm

      Re:

      A fair proportion of people know how to self-moderate in public. The rest fall into "no one should say anything anywhere", and "I can say absolutely anything anywhere, and everyone else should have to hear it" camps, with some straddling both. These people are generally incapable of thinking, so learning is right out.

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