Universal Music Goes To War Against Popular Hip Hop Sites & Blogs

from the bizarrely-misguided dept

Mon, Jun 20th 2011 11:22am — Mike Masnick

A few weeks ago, leading ad firm GroupM, a part of marketing giant WPP, proudly announced that it had "adopted an aggressive new anti-piracy policy" for its digital media buys. What that meant was that it prohibited vendors that it worked with from putting ads on any of a giant list of sites that it had declared were "pirate sites" -- defined as "sites that support piracy or contain any illegally distributed content." That's pretty broad. In fact, TorrentFreak got their hands on the list and noted many rather bizarre entries, including the Internet Archive (archive.org) and BitTorrent's corporate page -- neither of which have anything to do with "piracy" at all. There are some other shockers on the list, including the popular web video site/YouTube alternative, Vimeo, which is about as far from a "pirate" site as you can find. Stunningly, there's also SoundCloud, which has become one of the most popular tools for musicians to promote their own music these days. That's the site where the Beastie Boys streamed their latest album. A pirate site? Are they crazy? You can see the full list embedded below.

While there are many oddities on the list, we wanted to explore one aspect of the list, which is that it appears to show that Universal Music has decided to declare war on the online hip hop ecosystem that promotes its music in a big way -- and some of those sites are hitting back. First of all, it's worth noting that these blogs and sites are considered instrumental to promotion in the hip hop world, and Universal Music knows that. In talking to some of the folks at sites involved, you learn pretty quickly that they get sent tracks and other promotional info from insiders at Universal Music -- including high level execs -- all of the time. On top of that, hip hop artists themselves regularly rely on these same sites, and link people to them via their own blogs and twitter feeds. And yet, a whole bunch of these sites are on GroupM's list... and they got there because Universal Music told GroupM to put those sites on the list:

GroupM's own content producing clients -- such as Warner Bros, Paramount, Universal Music and Summit Entertainment, which produced the popular Twilight series of vampire movies -- have shared their own lists of pirate websites to help create a master copy.

While I don't know which of those companies may be responsible for some of the other headscratchers on the list, the attack on hip hop sites is being pinned squarely on Universal Music by many of the sites involved, and they're not happy. Among those on the list, for example, is Vibe.com, the online site for Vibe Magazine, founded by Quincy Jones of all people, and still considered one of the key sources for news and information about the hip hop and R&B worlds. And yet it's on the list as a pirate site? Really?

Back in 2009, Vibe produced a big list of the "50 hottest rap blogs." This is basically a who's who list of the top sites in hip hop, and the places that most music producers want to see their music appearing, because it's how they get attention these days. Yet, if you run down that list, you start to notice a pattern. An awful lot of those sites are on GroupM's "banned" list. I went through the top 12 sites on that list, and seven of them are "banned" as piracy sites, despite being some of the most popular promotional vehicles for artists and labels alike. Also, a bunch of the top hip hop blogs teamed up a while back to form what was called the New Music Cartel -- and every one of those sites is on the "banned" list.

And, of course, that Vibe list is a couple years old. There are plenty of other top music/hip hop sites that for unclear reasons were also put on the list, and they're not happy about it. For example, there's Complex, an up-and-coming and incredibly popular lifestyle magazine for the 18-34 male demographic. Somehow, they're on the list, and the magazine/site's editor-in-chief recently took his frustration to Twitter, calling out Universal Music and saying this means Universal Music will get less coverage:

Other sites on the list are similarly pissed, though not everyone's willing to talk about it publicly. The ones who should be angry are the musicians who rely on these sites to get their works heard, to build up a fan base, and to become popular, because Universal Music is making that more difficult for them. There are mixed opinions as to why Universal Music is attacking the hip hop blog ecosystem. There's the "left hand/right hand" ignorance theory, in which the lawyers at Universal Music who helped put together this list are so disconnected from reality that they don't realize they're trying to shut down the very sites that the promotions side of the business (and the artists themselves) rely on. There's also the more nefarious theory that Universal Music is sick of having to rely on such sites for promotions, and is seeking to shut down a bunch of them to limit where it can focus its promotions efforts -- perhaps even trying to prop up a few "friendly" sites that it wants to rule the market, over the competition.

Either way, this seems like more evidence of how ridiculous it is to claim it's easy to define "rogue sites." Given the chance, it looks like Universal Music has defined it as sites it doesn't like. The fact that this list includes all sorts of sites that clearly are not piracy sites should give anyone who supports bills like PROTECT IP pause. Defenders of these laws like to say that it's obvious what is and what is not a rogue site -- yet here you have Universal Music and GroupM showing how that definition can be quite broad, and extremely questionable.

No matter what, it seems likely that this move is going to backfire on Universal Music in a big bad way. It's like what would have happened if a record label suddenly declared radio as "piracy" and said that its artists couldn't appear on radio any more. It suggests a company so out of touch with how people find out about new music these days that it has no business being in the business of promoting artists. It also should serve as a warning sign to any artist thinking of signing with Universal Music. Why would you sign to a label that is actively working to kill some of the best sites for promoting your music? I reached out to Universal Music, asking for some comments and answers to a few questions raised in this article, and (not surprisingly) have heard absolutely nothing in response.

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Filed Under: blogs, complex, music industry, piracy, rogue sites, vibe
Companies: groupm, universal music, wpp

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Killer_Tofu (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 10:57am

ICE was busy
There are mixed opinions as to why Universal Music is attacking the hip hop blog ecosystem.

Obviously ICE was just busy actually working on our borders at the time. Or was on a Disney protection run or something like that ..

As soon as ICE has a bit more time on its hands and the current news about them blows over, this entire list will be taken offline for supporting child pron and terrorism and all the other bad things they can make up to scare people with at the time.
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Donnicton, 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:37am

Wow, we all knew Universal Music hated The Pirate Bay, but who knew that they hated it so much that they listed it TWICE?

Oh man, Universal Music just threw down the gauntlet.
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Ima Fish (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:39am

"It's like what would have happened if a record label suddenly declared radio as "piracy" and said that its artists couldn't appear on radio any more."

Where have you been Mike? Radio is piracy!
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Chris Rhodes (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:41am

I Can Do Them One Better
1. Stop selling new music in any portable form (CDs, mp3s, etc.)
2. Create "music centers" where people can go to put on a pair of headphones and listen to the recordings in person.
3. Put six layers of security screening in front of the centers to grope would-be customers (no secret recording devices!)
4. Charge $29.99 a song.
5. ???
6. Cultural relevance and profit!
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RadioactiveSmrf (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:43am

Nelly had it right
Isn't this what Nelly was complaining about on Twitter when his latest album was released? He made what he felt was quality music but the label did nothing to promote him or his new record. http://www.eurweb.com/?p=68002

I checked and his label is Motown Records, part of Universal Records. Looks like his ranting was on the mark.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:49am

Gatekeepers
If you're not a gatekeeper you must be a pirate. There is no middle ground.
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DogBreath, 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:53am

Get ready for the "Great 'Alleged' Pirate Site Wars"
If company (X) doesn't own site (Y), then it's on their "Pirate List", even if site (Y) is totally legit and legal.

Once company (X) buys out and owns site (Y), it will fall off the (X) list, even though the content won't change. Of course that won't stop them from showing up on the company (Z) "Pirate List".

And on and on the battle will be waged, until the day when only one company will be in charge of all.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:59am

"The fact that this list includes all sorts of sites that clearly are not piracy sites should give anyone who supports bills like PROTECT IP pause. Defenders of these laws like to say that it's obvious what is and what is not a rogue site -- yet here you have Universal Music and GroupM showing how that definition can be quite broad, and extremely questionable."

Good example why the judicial review policy of Protect IP Act makes sense.
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Yup, 20 Jun 2011 @ 11:59am

Thank you for reporting on this mike.

It's unbelievable groupm doesn't even check the validity of the lists the label sends them.

Same with our corrupt donation taking politicians (and especially vp Biden), whatever the labels say goes. It doesn't matter what the truth is, what the facts say, or what case studies or reports say. If a label doesn't like you, you're fucked.
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weneedhelp (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:06pm

What a list
Just ban *.*
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:16pm

Tech support for UMG Executives:
1. Open My Computer
2. Search for a file named "hosts"
3. Open file in notepad
4. Enter on a new line: "* 127.0.0.1" (without the quotes)
5. Save file
6. Piracy problem solved.
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DogBreath, 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:17pm

Re: I Can Do Them One Better
3. Put six layers of security screening in front of the centers to grope would-be customers (no secret recording devices!)

That means a memory wipe of the audio before leaving said centers, so you would not remember what you just heard and disseminate it to the public at large (whistling, humming, singing the words on a YouTube video, etc...) without proper copyright clearance and appropriate jail time if you did it without owner authorization. Just look at all the unauthorized performances of the "Happy Birthday Song", and all the lost royalties, so sad.

Wiping of said memories would also have the added benefit of the RIAA not having to actually find and pay talented singers and musicians, because not having anyone remember the songs, the RIAA could just stick to focusing on the packaging and advertising of said artists, with no worry of bad publicity.

Instead of some reviewer saying: "I heard the new album/song and it sucked", it would be replaced with the same reviewer saying: "I heard the new album/song, and after my memory wipe the RIAA told me I really liked it."

Hell, with that kind of technology they could even release old albums from the same artist and say they were new, based on the fact that you would never remember you had listened to them already because of the memory wipe. It's like selling you the same thing in a different package over and over (an already patented business model???)
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mildred coo, 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:26pm

How do I get this list? Where can I find it to see what sites are on it?
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ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:34pm

Re: Gatekeepers
Is true, which is what puts the gatekeepers in such an awkward position. They have to sell to the competition.
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sehlat (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:35pm

The Bottom of the Press Release Tells the Story

ABOUT GROUPM
GroupM is the leading global media investment management operation.

In other words, they're a bunch of accountants and lawyers, not people who want to provide anything useful or do anything except demand money at gunpoint (The root word for "enforcement" is "force.") who won't be satisfied until they own your wallet.

Meh.
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A non-mouse, 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:40pm

Why ask why
"There are mixed opinions as to why Universal Music is attacking the hip hop blog ecosystem."

Me thinks it has an awful lot to do with...

"...a bunch of the top hip hop blogs teamed up a while back to form what was called the New Music Cartel..."

It's a good ole turf war, they're "going to the mattresses" as they say in those circles.
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Mike42 (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:41pm

The archive.org entry tells it all. This is a war on free, plain and simple.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:49pm

I think that the honest sites are going to suffer because there are so many illegal, questionable, copyright infringing sites out there hiding content on free hosts and playing games. At this point, the labels have little interest in filtering out who is who, they would rather just pull the plug and try some other methods for promotion.

All the abusing of the system doesn't help anyone.
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anymouse (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 12:54pm

Re: Get ready for the "Great 'Alleged' Pirate Site Wars"
Why do I get the feeling that Taco Bell is going to win the Franchise wars again....
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Drew, 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:03pm

The key part of this entire article is in the very first sentence.

A few weeks ago, leading ad firm GroupM, a part of marketing giant WPP, proudly announced that it had "adopted an aggressive new anti-piracy policy" for its digital media buys.

Unless I'm missing something here, this only has to do with digital ad buys, and has nothing to do with editorial coverage.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:17pm

Holy gracious

the more i mention the term "copyrightards" the more and more examples i see crop up that confirms it

i mean seriously, internet archive?? wtf??
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DogBreath, 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:32pm

Re: Re: Get ready for the "Great 'Alleged' Pirate Site Wars"
Hey, as long as everyone finally understands that the only songs that are wholesome enough to even be played on the radio are 1960's commercial jingles, and the most popular music ever, it's a small price to pay. Those that don't agree will be eating ratburgers, and not know how to use the three seashells.
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Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:33pm

Re:
Good example why the judicial review policy of Protect IP Act makes sense.

Yes, because judicial rubber stamps stop law enforcement from doing dumb things, like putting a CP notice up on 84,000 sub-domains of a dynamic DNS hosting service.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110215/01092813096/did-homeland-security-seize-then-u nseize-dynamic-dns-domain.shtml

Oh, wait.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:45pm

v
I can understand archive and vimeo being on the list.
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The eejit (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:59pm

Re:
My future brain just stroked out from this nonsense. Thank you for proactive murder of music and me.
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The eejit (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 1:59pm

Re: v
Archive beiung on the list? They must be smoking something worse than crystal meth. That's the onyl explanation for stupidity of that size.
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DannyB (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:14pm

Re: The Bottom of the Press Release Tells the Story
> who won't be satisfied until they own your wallet.

Wrong.

Greed begets more greed.

There is no 'enough'.

It is insatiable.
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DannyB (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:15pm

Re:
If you are a software developer, and know about open source, you realize there has been a war on free for over a decade. Maybe it's just now hitting other forms of creativity outside of software.
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HothMonster, 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:19pm

Re:
its at the bottom of the post. ^^^^ right up there
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:35pm

Re: Re: Re: Get ready for the "Great 'Alleged' Pirate Site Wars"
i for one am happy to be far outside the san angeles metroplex.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:49pm

Re: Re:
OK, have it your way. No judicial review.
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Mike42 (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:54pm

Re: Re:
True and depressing...
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 2:59pm

Re: Re: v
Are you saying there isn't any files on archive being illegally shared?
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Yup, 20 Jun 2011 @ 3:07pm

Of course sound cloud is on the list, they want to destroy independent music. If the riaa isn't getting paid I guess the music must be illegal huh. They see that independent music it's the future. Shame on you groupm, industry shills
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Yup, 20 Jun 2011 @ 3:08pm

Anonymous douchbag, shouldn't google be on the list then? Stupid fuck
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SD (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 3:21pm

Oops?
50 Cent's site (thisis50.com) is on page 35.

Exhibit A
Header link to thisis50 on UMG controlled 50cent.com
Domain WHOIS Info for 50cent.com

Exhibit B
Pages on interscope.com referencing thisis50
Pages on universalmusic.com referencing thisis50
Pages on shadyrecords.com referencing thisis50
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2011 @ 4:18pm

Re: Re: Re:
Four laws good, two laws bad.
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Jeremy2020 (profile), 20 Jun 2011 @ 5:10pm

That's some fine police work there, Lou.
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fine then, 20 Jun 2011 @ 8:54pm

go ahead
Go ahead and lose that free promo and rightfully so the cash that goes with it. If it wasn't for the mixtape culture. And deejays in general pushing.... symbiosis. Get it
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 20 Jun 2011 @ 9:53pm

Re: I think that the honest sites are going to suffer ...
Honest folks have always suffered. Trouble is, it�s been the labels themselves inflicting the suffering.
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The eejit (profile), 21 Jun 2011 @ 12:00am

Re: Re: Re: v
it's an archive. There is no discrimination, else it wouldn't be an archive.

In this case, it's a general archive. You can have Computer Science archives, and Physics archives, too.
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chris, 21 Jun 2011 @ 4:33am

yeah!!!
yea no hiphopcanvass.com
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ComputerAddict (profile), 21 Jun 2011 @ 5:59am

I love that thepiratebay.org is on there twice. just for good measure.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Jun 2011 @ 10:00am

Re: Nelly had it right
:O I love Nelly and I didn't know he had a new album! *shuffles off to purchase it*

Hey, I buy from people I
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RadioactiveSmrf (profile), 21 Jun 2011 @ 1:34pm

Re: Re: Nelly had it right
My point exactly. He has a fairly strong fan base and yet nobody heard about his new album. Universal has lost sales because it sucks and letting people know about it's product. Universal should focus on their core business a little more and worry less about piracy.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2011 @ 3:46am

Universal can kick rocks!
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2011 @ 7:47am

Response to: Drew on Jun 20th, 2011 @ 1:03pm
Which means they are attacking the ability to make money on those sites. They are attacking the money stream. Much in the same way as if they were to tell the company you work for to fire you and then give bad reviews so you weren't hired anywhere else.
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Tony / SpareFoot.com, 23 Jun 2011 @ 1:29pm

No nahright?
CTRL+F "nahright" - no results found? SMH...

I can't believe NahRight isn't explicitly mentioned in this article. It topped Vibe's 2009 list and is a necessary promotional venue for success in the world of hiphop. It's listed TWICE on GroupM's list, and is one of the few leading hip hop blogs that makes a concerted effort to prevent illegal sharing.
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John Doe, 26 Jun 2011 @ 12:49am

Where's the rabid lawyers?
How come none of the crazy lawyers of the world have jumped in to help these legitimate companies sue for slander? Vibe is a pretty clearly NOT dedicated to piracy and would have the legal guns to sue Universal or GroupM for alleging in writing that they are. Remember, you don't need to make a public allegation for it to be slander, it just has to be in writing and given to someone else. :)
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John Doe, 27 Jun 2011 @ 12:54pm

Re: I Can Do Them One Better
Yeah this will work....
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read it properly, 19 Jul 2011 @ 2:32pm

if u actually read their press release you will realise this is just to do with where they place their clients advertising. It has nothing to do with Universal's promotion strategy and Universal will continue to work with blogs and music sites. They just wont be paying those sites with advertising. In other words, from now on if a blog writes about a Universal release, it's because the blog thinks it's worth writing about, not because they want to give pay back.
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arlindo, 21 Aug 2011 @ 6:54am

http://www.youtube.com/user/markinhosbl?blend=2&ob=5
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arlindo, 21 Aug 2011 @ 6:54am

http://www.youtube.com/user/markinhosbl?blend=2&ob=5
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Isaiah G, 1 Sep 2011 @ 6:28pm

My Mixtape
youtube.com/watch?v=JuMXCdHOAvs....this is a single of of my mixtape

limelinx.com/files/51c0b112646c7bd9666cbd89f8d16cfc...this is the download link copy and paste it please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4C8HrYniI&feature=related....another single if you'd like to listen
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Sep 2011 @ 5:50pm

Re: Re: Re: Get ready for the "Great 'Alleged' Pirate Site Wars"
You just made an illegal cultural reference to Demolition Man, now give me ur moneys
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Muzyka Relaksacyjna, 22 Sep 2011 @ 2:11am

War with piracy will kill the culture one day
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praveen, 16 Oct 2011 @ 9:07pm

comment
O I love Nelly and I didn't know he had a new album! *shuffles off to purchase it*
mtechcomputers
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praveen, 16 Oct 2011 @ 9:07pm

comment
O I love Nelly and I didn't know he had a new album! *shuffles off to purchase it*
mtechcomputers
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Johnnie Newkirk Jr, 25 Nov 2011 @ 10:29am

HAD TO DO WHAT I HAD TO DO
New hip-hop release by NewCharles Entertainment recording artist Johnnie Newkirk Jr @ http://www.newcharlesentertainment.com Will be released on Itunes on Dec 16, 2011. This track is receiving rave reviews from fans and industry insiders
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Connor, 14 Jan 2012 @ 6:09pm

Awesome! Thanks for the awesome Piracy List WarnerBros! :)
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Jan 2012 @ 12:51pm

Just wanted to thank groupm for giving me a detailed list of sites that have just what I'm looking for...lol
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AzureSky (profile), 18 Jan 2012 @ 3:17pm

Re:
so true, and 8 track/cassette/cd recorders where going to destroy the music industry....
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Rick Tillman, 23 Jan 2012 @ 6:54pm

Music Industry.
With over 27 years in broadcasting, I have seen many changes. We currently live in a got have it right-away type of society. I believe, If the companies like Universal Music would take a step back and look at how they could maximized the use of the techonlogy, they may find a win-win situation for all parties involved.
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