DMCA Takedown Used To Try To Silence Science Blogger Providing Comet Facts

from the copyright-as-censorship dept

Fri, Jul 22nd 2011 10:38am — Mike Masnick

Another day, another case of the DMCA being used to try to censor people. The details here are not entirely clear, but James Litwin points us to a report about how someone -- and, tragically, the party is never actually named -- filed a DMCA takedown notice to Blogger to try to take down Ian Musgrave's Astroblogger site. Apparently some folks who believe that the Comet Elenin represents the end of the world (or something, I'm not following the nutty end-of-the-worlders on what their latest issues are) were upset that Ian and others were using actual science (*gasp!* *no!*) to debunk some of the claims that were being made. Musgrave notes that he wasn't the only one, and some others who also wrote about Elenin received takedowns as well. Thankfully the site is back up, but it's scary how frequently people now use the DMCA to stifle speech.

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Filed Under: censorship, comet elenin, copyright, dmca, ian musgrave

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DannyB (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 10:42am

There needs to be a serious penalty for this
The entertainment industry wanted the DMCA to provide them a supercharged expedited way to get internet content taken down.

(Trust us! This will never get abused.)

(Sound familiar?)

The DMCA (and if passed PROTECT-IP, etc) need to have serious, and I mean SERIOUS consequences of sending a false takedown.

Okay, you want your expedited takedown? Fine. You want a nuclear weapon? Fine. Anyone who misuses it should also get nuked. And I don't mean a slap on the wrist.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 10:49am

Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
reasonable, or we could just go back to the way it was before and have a fucking COURT OF LAW, look at it.

Opinion on the punishment for a false takedown:
50% of all holdings.
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Tom Landry (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 10:57am

For a second, I had thought Comet Cursor was back in business..... *shudder*
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Rikuo (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 10:59am

Same thing happened to SFDebris
A Youtube reviewer I follow named SFDebris is a victim of this as well. He reviews sci-fi shows like Star Trek, Dr. Who, Babylon 5 (and most recently the rebooted Battlestar Galactica). He was careful to only use clips in line with fair use's parody, criticism and review clauses, but a couple months ago, CBS filed a DMCA against him for Star Trek, ditto for BBC over Red Dwarf.
Scared that a third strike would block him out completely (and remember guys, this is ACCUSATION, not conviction), SFDebris pulled down all of his videos from Youtube and started hosting them on Bliptv.
I would like CBS and BBC to answer: Why? Your shows are already out there, on DVD and Blu-ray. There's nothing being harmed here. They're reviews. But let us not forget what the DMCA does: in exercising his legal right to review a copyrighted TV series and post the review on Youtube (all legal) he had to get past the copyright protection on his DVDs.
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Rikuo (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:01am

Re: Same thing happened to SFDebris
The link to SFDebris explaining what happened to him
http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris?blend=1&ob=5#p/u/60/Hg8KOFVLMAo
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trish, 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:15am

theft
copyright infringement: Take a copy of something, leave it so everyone else can use it too.
dmca take-down: Take someone's website offline without giving them a chance to respond prior, and make them defend themselves and waste time and effort getting what is theirs back where it belongs.
Who are the thieves again?
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:29am

DMCA is just the shortest route for people with an axe to grind. 10 years ago it might have been a long drawn out series of laywers letters about copyright. 20 years ago it might have been filing a defamation lawsuit. Today, DMCA gets you to the front of the line if you want to whine.

The rare whiners that abuse it in now way justify getting rid of it. We can all park out cars because of speeders and we can stop using public transit because a couple of people jumped the turnstile too.
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DannyB (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:38am

Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
I would prefer going back to due process.

But since we aren't going to go there, and since your 50% of all holdings is not only unworkable, but subject to lots of gaming, I would propose this.

The DMCA takedown request must state some amount of damage that will occur if the internet material is not taken down. If the DMCA takedown request is faulty in one of several ways (eg, you aren't the copyright owner, or registered agent of; or no copyright is asserted in the takedown request, etc) then the cost of the bogus takedown request is the amount of damage was alleged to be caused, not less than some minimum amount.

Another remedy would be to actually use that "penalty of perjury" thing. No jail time, but fines. In the case of an organization who is sending bogus DMCA takedowns, how about a three strikes and you can't ever file another DMCA takedown.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:51am

Re:
This isn't rare. You need to check Chillingeffects.org.
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out_of_the_blue, 22 Jul 2011 @ 11:51am

Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
Quite a story you got there. Gets everyone vaguely annoyed.

As to the fantasy penalties proposed... er, they're fantasy.
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Someantimalwareguy, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:05pm

Re: Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
...then the cost of the bogus takedown request is the amount of damage was alleged to be caused, not less than some minimum amount....
Actually it should be triple the damages claimed...
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Rikuo (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:11pm

Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
Eh...what? I'm fairly pissed at this story, because its censorship masquerading as protecting someone's profits.
And what penalties? Masnick didn't mention any!
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:25pm

Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
The whole thing is an attack on you actually:

out_of_the_blue is 'not entirely clear ... someone ... who ... is ... scary ...'
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:26pm

Re: Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
I think out_of_the_blue is a badly written shell script. It scans for key words and performs retarded attacks based on those words.

He gives trolls like me a bad name.
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jeff, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:28pm

Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
How about $1000 plus court/lawyer fees paid to the victim for first false dmca takedown, and revocation of accuser's right to file dmca takedown notices for one year? I think that is a bit more measured than "50% of all holdings"

Anyways, IP law in the US is fubar. Didn't Dante write, "abandon all hope all ye who enter.." IP hell.
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Gwiz (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:29pm

Re: Re: Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
He gives trolls like me a bad name.

+10 funny
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:34pm

Re: Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
How about something better. File a faulty DMCA takedown, and lose your license to practice law in all 50 states, with no possibility of getting it back. Ever.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:37pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
+10 funny

Wasn't meant to be. I do troll around here from time to time. I consider my trolling to be 'serious business' and 'important work'. He makes us trolls look like drooling jackasses. I wish he would stop so we could get back to real trolling.
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Gwiz (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 12:54pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
It just struck me as funny that even the trolls* have a hierarchy. Never really thought about it that much.

* I am just reusing your word there - I really don't like the whole troll or shill label thing. I actually appreciate the opposing viewpoints in the discussions here. It is definitely more informative than someone simply singing to the choir on an issue.
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Rez (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 1:09pm

It is amazing how frequently things like the DMCA that are designed to stifle freedom get used to stifle... oh wait.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 1:25pm

Re: Re:
You have to frame rare. Chillingeffects lists hundreds of thousands of valid takedowns, and very few that are not valid. So if the error rate is 1 in 100,000 (example only), would you consider that rare?

Moreover, is the real problem people who are unwilling to stand up for their rights and fight back against invalid DMCAs? Or is it that they realize that they don't have a legal leg to stand on?
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Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 1:32pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
Nice idea, but that would be a zero-tolerance law. That it's aimed at people we don't like doesn't make it any better.

...But I like the way you think. :)
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NIcedoggy, 22 Jul 2011 @ 1:42pm

Re: Re: Re:
I hope that was sarcasm.

Quote:
In its submission, Google notes that more than half (57%) of the takedown notices it has received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998, were sent by business targeting competitors and over one third (37%) of notices were not valid copyright claims.

Source: http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/feature/93FEDCEF6636CF90CC25757A0072B4B7

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Takedown_Notice
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Miff (profile), 22 Jul 2011 @ 3:02pm

Next time I'm court I'm just going to lie under oath if it helps my case, now that I know that perjury has no penalties whatsoever.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Jul 2011 @ 4:53pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Relapsed already, Mike: "not entirely clear ... someone ... try to take down"
Nope, he's actually trolling most of the time. I know the guy. He's quite happy about his trolling. He doesn't even happen to have an opposing view point. Most of the time he comes here to get an idea of what's going on so he can form an opinion.

He enjoys trolling along the way.

Source: I work with the guy.
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The Devil's Coachman (profile), 23 Jul 2011 @ 4:32am

Re: theft
You sir, are an idiot! Sorry, there is no cure for your idiocy. I'm sure you rejoice in that fact.
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The Devil's Coachman (profile), 23 Jul 2011 @ 4:37am

Re:
No, it apparently does not have any penalties. Unless, of course, you perjure yourself to win a case against me. Then, a penalty will be incurred, and there will be no appeal. I have the means to do so, and If someone were to provide a motive, I would take the opportunity.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jul 2011 @ 9:34pm

is still not available, the elenin stuff, Look he says

.. it's been taken down by blogger, along with two other Elenin related posts (see below) for alleged violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
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Jordan (profile), 25 Jul 2011 @ 1:50pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: There needs to be a serious penalty for this
Or your website gets taken down.
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