PayPal Agrees To Help IFPI Cut Off Funding For Sites IFPI Doesn't Like Without Judicial Oversight
from the how-to-stamp-out-competition dept
Neppe alerts us to the news that PayPal has now followed the same path as MasterCard and Visa, in agreeing to the IFPI's plan to cut off payments to sites it doesn't like, without any judicial review. Basically, the IFPI will send info about sites it doesn't like (i.e., describes as "rogue" sites) to the London Police. It's not clear what sort of qualifications the London Police have on complex copyright issues, but okay. If the London Police agree with the IFPI (and so far, they have in 100% of the cases), the information about the sites will be passed on to the three payment processing companies, and they will no longer allow those sites to accept payments. Watch out, Internet Archive (which has been declared an infringing site by some in the industry), you may soon no longer be able to accept donations, thanks to the IFPI's fear of technology.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Filed Under: london police, payments, rogue sites
Companies: ifpi, mastercard, paypal, visa
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Such a story teller, that Masnick.
The one creative bone in his body seems to be the one that comes up with new and original lies.
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MAFIAA has a long history that classifies as 'fear of technology'. Should I remind you of how 'home taping is killing music' or whatever you call it? How the tapes would ruin the music/movie industry? How file sharing would slaughter the industry - and it still posts record profits?.
Shut up and read properly, it'll do you good.
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Oh... no, wait. I hate that part. Right.
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wink, wink.
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That way we can be sure how stupid it really is.
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So then you agree that the Internet Archive, Vimeo, Vibe Magazine and those others are pirate sites, right?
I've asked you this directly in the past, and you always disappear...
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Are those sites on IFPI's list? No? Then why are you makng things up again? You do love to practice FUD, don't you Masnick?
Hey Mike, should Demonoid's paypal be cut off? Yes or no?
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https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-com-and-archive-org-blacklisted-as-pirate-sites-110610 /
The one that lists those particulars in it? Or are you just randomly stupid?
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But that isn't the point here; answer the question, is that IFPI's list? No?
Then care to try again, Freetardo?
Or are you just going to continue to play Masnick's sloppy game of misdirection?
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Are you suggesting that there is any site on the internet that never had any connection with infringing content?
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I'll have the police confiscate all guns, hammers, ballpoints, axes, icepicks, knives, cars, fists, swords, electricity, etc. Because all those tools have had a connection with illegal use. They have all been used to kill someone, which is illegal, and would make the tool illegal in your view.
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Except for the fact that MAFIAA stretches the DMCA and whatever copyirhgt related laws to extremes that are hard to believe at points. This 'agreement' is very dangerous because MAFIAA seems to think the entire internet is copyrighted and should be giving money to them.
So, for any sane person here that's not a Copyrightard like you the one misdirecting here is none but you even though you are failing hard as always. Note: I'm including in the sanity list ppl that are PRO-copyright but reasoned enough not to be like you.
So shush, go away and lick MAFIAA's bosses balls as a good MAFIAA puppy.
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FUD, my ass
Funny to see you shilltard try to tell everyone what the point ist. Tough luck that you just don't get to. It doesn't matter if those sites mentioned by Mike are not on the IFPI's list simply because they were on some other list but another rightsholder organisation.
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Exactly. What we need is some good old fashioned witch hunts. Bring back the inquisition (the Spanish one, because no one expects it).
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When the people get tired of the "media tax"(i.e. the new Poll tax), people will call Jack Straw to lead the new Peasants's Revolt :)
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Google checkout, here I come!
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Oh, and pull legitimate music apps from their marketplace without any formal legal request, just a "we don't like it" from the music industry
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From the comments on the link site
"Having advised the Economic Crime Directorate on a couple of issues during 2009 and 2010, I was very surprised by the level of sweet fuck all that they knew. They bemoaned the lack of powers to 'knock heads together'. I shook my head, patronisingly."
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While I love the idea of Paypal suspending payments on the word of some graffiti artists I suspect you are actually referring to the Metropolitan Police Service, who I think do have specialists in such things.
Of course that is really a moot point since there is no way that payments should be suspended on accusations only. The wholesale abandonment of due process because it is inconvenient is really becoming endemic in the US, UK and Europe these days.
It also makes me wonder if there is any way another provider could step up and become the provider of choice for those with a bit more morals. Or is it an exceptionally difficult game to get into?
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It is because people just like/need to share things, it is in their nature to do so.
http://www.shareable.net/blog/new-research-why-people-share-content-online
Piracy as it is framed today is not about the money, is about some deluded people who believe they can mandate others stop being human beings and start following orders that even they themselves couldn't abide by it LoL
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No really, obviously you do. Thanks bud.
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Thanks for playing.
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If you had a better way of getting money into your pocket first, i.e better business model or better quality product then you could in theory have money stolen from you.
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We can't move on with the discussion because of them sandbagging us with those ridiculous analogies, that we have to explain again and again that copying isn't the same as stealing. I wish we could move to more productive ways of furthering our culture.
In 50-100 years time, nothing that's created today culturally-wise will still be (fondly) remembered, at least nothing created by the "content industry", whereas the people who do share their media might stand a chance of being remembered.
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But it will cause problems for those who are not pirates. And since they are not pirates, they cannot use the kinds of tricks pirates could use to avoid being impacted. This is why we are wary of such initiatives.
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The majority of people who download stuff from these pirates would gladly pay for the stuff instead, but because of wrong formats, or DRM, or being burned in the past by rubbish material, they decide to grab it first from a website to see if it's worth their time or if it even works on their machines.
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Source: http://blog.gameized.com/2011/07/12/the-huge-success-of-an-appstore-failure/
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But since I'm pickpocketing you, you'll never know it was me. Doesn't matter tho, cuz it's all about the sharing, right?
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As long as you are ok with sharing too, I don't really see a problem.
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i'd like to think no one was this stupid.
then i actually pay attention to reality and am once again disappointed.
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If you can't act like a pirate and make it sound bad, moving the goal post further ain't the answer LoL
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But since I'm pickpocketing you, you'll never know it was me. Doesn't matter tho, cuz it's all about the sharing, right?"
Tell ya what. As long as you limit your pickpocketing to making copies of my wallet and leaving the original in my pocket, we are cool.
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Internet shaping itself...
On the flip side, moving from theory to reality, the 100% stat should tell you how often we can expect these companies to challenge their content overlords when it comes to a site that may try to put up a challenge. Paypal obviously sees it can make significantly more money being on the good side of the marketplace providers than trying to appease a demographic it thinks doesn't pay for things very often anyway. Other payment processing alternatives will fill in the gaps, because that's what smaller versions of an established business model do... they start by servicing the areas the big fish chooses to ignore.
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Win!
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Yes its a dick move, yes it makes things less convienient, but there is no right to convienience. If you don't like it, use someone elses services (AMEX, Discover, etc)
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I wonder how much a website that is not illegal but has its payments blocked could sue Paypal and the others for, maybe there could even be some multi-million dollar damage awards :)
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Still haven't learned their lesson
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http://www.bitcoin.org/
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"But it's anonymous!"
No it's not
http://anonymity-in-bitcoin.blogspot.com/2011/07/bitcoin-is-not-anonymous.html
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Who will block you, and how? There are multiple methods to buy and sell bitcoins for USD, and it's quite easy to launder coins through alternate addresses before you do. PayPal, Mastercard, et. al can't stop you.
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Now when are you going to adapt? You've been behaving the same static way for years now. Did you think that was going to last?
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Sigh,
Or how about just sending money to a bank account in a country that doesn't have such draconian laws? Do we really want to chase more money out of our country?
How about we attack the root of the problem and not the symptoms... lets figure out why people use these sites and run them out of business by out performing them! It's not a perfect idea, but it's better than letting the government decide who gets paid...
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Really? The content producers have access to all sorts of things that the other sites can not offer. They can have web chats and offer exclusive offers. (cue you saying that those will just end up copied as well) And you are correct, someone might choose to share those. But there is something about being involved that attracts fans.
I'm not saying offering an exclusive bumpersticker that requires the customer to turn of their email, cell #, facebook links to get is the right path. You need to look at the business model and see the flaws as flaws first. There should be no reason that an international music company can not release music everywhere at once. Creating arbitrary "regions" seems to be a way to just punish customers for liking your band. They also use it as a method to try and keep "cheaper" copies they produced in the "right" places. This is just a cheap tactic on their part to maximize revenue, and well that is their job. But when they create different version for different areas, and then offer the fans no way to get it outside of that certain region, you are surprised those fans turn to the net?
But let us ignore that many "pirates" buy more content.
Let us ignore that as the costs to produce these things has dropped, the retail price goes up.
Let us ignore that digital "goods" are not one off creations recorded for each order, but an infinite supply copied from an original.
Let us ignore that they keep a great deal of content locked away, and consumers who want to buy are ignored... so they look at alternate means to get what they want.
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If you're the one that produced the stuff in the first place then you have plenty of advantages to set against that initial cost (and remember - that cost has shunk dramatically in recent years).
Those advantages include
1. Authenticity
2. Goodwill.
3. A head start over the competition.
4. Ability to use the originators in publicity campaigns.
If you can't use these to beat the competition then you are stupid.
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Also known as the 'Fuck you, I got mine' debating technique. Common users; Teabaggers, the English Defence League and Le Front National.
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http://en.w ikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
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http://en.w ikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-currency
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http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Micropayment
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This is just like Nazi Germany
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What the IFPI is doing is going to paypal, and saying "these people appear to be breaking your ToS". What Paypal has agreed to do is to ask the people involved to provide information to show that they are within the rules of the Paypal ToS. If they cannot do that, Paypal cuts them off.
For Paypal (and other payment processors), they would be leaving themselves open for incredibly legal risk if the continued to process funds for sites that don't meet their ToS after they have been notified.
What Paypal is doing is making sure that the sites it handles payments for are able to produce documentation that shows that they feel they are legal and within the ToS.
There is no requirement for judicial oversight in the application of a company's ToS, provided that ToS is applied equally to all customers. Anyone who disagrees could obviously take Paypal to court and get the judicial branch involved, but it is doubtful that a bunch of pirates are going to do that, right?
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Their track record doesn't speak for them in this case.
Case in point: Wikileaks. And there are countless other users who found their accounts blocked with no way of accessing THEIR own money that was in those accounts.
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Paypal blocks accounts when they think there is illegal activity going on, or when the user account information is not valid. That is normal, they are obliged under US law to "know your client", otherwise they are open for money laundering charges.
Sorry if it doesn't match up to the anonymous hiding in the bushes way some people want to operate, but it's the law.
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You wanna talk about unethical? Talk about how Visa, Mastercard and Paypal suddenly on the same day decide that 1 company, that they've had dealings with for a longer period of time, was all of a sudden too hot to handle, right around the time that the US was starting to put pressure on companies that had ties, however loosely, with Wikileaks.
Datacell was all above board, have always been above board.
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PayPal etc.
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Yes, we should force private companies to process payments for companies that are hiding. Good idea!
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Dwolla
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