DailyDirt: Missions To Mars

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Mon, Jan 16th 2012 5:00pm — Michael Ho

The future of manned spaceflight to other planets is a bit uncertain nowadays, but there are still plenty of people who are working on plans that could lead to people walking around on Mars before the end of the century. In the meantime, unmanned missions will have to suffice, but here are some quick links on traveling to Mars.

Landing equipment on Mars that weighs anywhere near 40-80 tons (on Earth) is just out of the question using current technology. The Mars Science Laboratory weighs about a ton and it's about as big as we can go right now... and we'll see how it does later this year. [url]
SpaceX's CEO Elon Musk wants to send people to Mars in 10-20 years. It would be interesting if a private company lands on another planet before any nation does. [url]
Studying 12 generations of worms on the International Space Station could help us better understand how humans will survive indefinitely long trips in space. So Caenorhabditis elegans could be the first animals sent to another planet, instead of dogs or chimps. [url]
To discover more links on space exploration, check out what's floating around in StumbleUpon universe. [url]

By the way, StumbleUpon can also recommend some good Techdirt articles, too.

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Filed Under: caenorhabditis elegans, elon musk, international space station, mars, spaceflight, worms
Companies: nasa, spacex

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Violated (profile), 16 Jan 2012 @ 5:28pm

Space Stuff
As to landing 40 to 80 tons on Mars then I always say they won't have a real answer until they have a real plan with a real problem. Since no one has a project to land this mass on Mars then that is why there is no budget to solve the problem.

Also it is never good to describe NASA in terms of current technology when every single space mission they do leads to implementing new technology.

Yes it would be interesting if SpaceX can make Mars first but their estimates are normally far too generous even if they get their in the end. The real first goal of commercial space should be a free return trip around the Moon.

NASA ix usually flying worms or some small creatures. Most interesting is that they don't take their astronauts beyond a six month ISS stay.
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- abc gum, 16 Jan 2012 @ 5:49pm
  
  Re: Space Stuff
  I understand there are several major issues standing in the way of a human journey to Mars and back.
  
  1) muscle atrophy and bone loss - Either artificial gravity or a lot of working out. Landing would otherwise be problematic.
  
  2) high energy particles and radiation - humans would need to seek shelter if hit by a storm. Said shelter would probably be lead based and small due to weight restrictions. Lack of exercise would become an issue, see number one.
  
  3) fuel for return trip - need easily obtained resources and refining equipment on Mars for making fuel. Should send the equipment first via robot.
  
  These are just a few of the items yet to be solved as far as I know.
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  - Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 16 Jan 2012 @ 6:12pm
    
    Re: Space Stuff
    The impact on a human crew would be less if the journey didn�t take so long. I understand a conventional �coasting� trajectory with thrust burns only at the beginning and end would take something like 8 months. But continuously-accelerating-and-decelerating ion propulsion could cut this down to a month. That should help a lot.
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    - Violated (profile), 16 Jan 2012 @ 6:36pm
      
      Re: Re: Space Stuff
      They have made Argon Plasma Engines to move crew and cargo more quickly (and the ISS) but the problem is the 1+Megawatt power requirements. Get some real high power and you can then use an array to cruise the solar system.
      
      Currently they plan to use one with large solar arrays to move large cargo mass between Earth orbit and Luna orbit. It would take weeks on pulsed battery charge thrusting but it is very efficient.
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      - Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 17 Jan 2012 @ 5:39pm
        
        Re: Space Stuff
        Naturally maneouvring into and out of low-Earth orbit in a timely fashion is going to require high-power thrusters. But that�s not what these ion rockets are designed for. They�re designed for much longer journeys, like getting to Mars.
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    - George Samaras, 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:45pm
      
      Re: Re: Space Stuff
      Yup! My Dad published two books on it a half century ago (prentice-hall). Been wondering whether the folks at NASA just don't read much ;))
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  - Anonymous Coward, 16 Jan 2012 @ 6:42pm
    
    Re: Re: Space Stuff
    Actually one of the major problems is the landing.
    With an atmosphere as thin as it is on Mars you cannot count on atmospheric friction to keep you from reaching terminal velocity.
    As well as greatly reducing the effectiveness of parachutes.
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    - abc gum, 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:44pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Space Stuff
      Agreed.
      And planetary capture becomes even more problematic when increased velocity is used to decrease the travel time.
      
      Aero braking has been successfully employed several times with much smaller spacecraft. Without such techniques, additional fuel is necessary to obtain planetary orbit.
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      - Michael Ho (profile), 17 Jan 2012 @ 12:17pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Space Stuff
        It's all about the escape pods that can jettison human passengers and still land safely... and it'll be cool when NASA tries it out on a protocol droid and his counterpart R2 first... :P
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Conscientiouspirate (profile), 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:10pm

Google Mars
It would be interesting if a private company lands on another planet before any nation does

My money is on Google sending some guys in a street view car, it's currently missing from www.google.com/mars
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- abc gum, 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:51pm
  
  Re: Google Mars
  Someone beat you to it
  
  http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3023/3057500560_f5405be772_z.jpg?zz=1
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6, 17 Jan 2012 @ 11:41am

"It would be interesting if a private company lands on another planet before any nation does."

Dude they could claim the red planet as theirs.
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wedq, 18 Jan 2012 @ 5:32am

SOPA act: USA will loose first position on the web. mess with the web ?!!, far more complex old media think. Only stupids politicians go along. triggering a western spring/summer!
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