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EA Sues EA Over The EA Trademark

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Thu, Oct 6th 2011 7:40am — Zachary Knight

Kingster writes in to let us know about an interesting trademark infringement case. In this case, the makers of Madden football games, EA (Electronic Arts), is suing the makers of sports wristbands, EA (Energy Armor), for trademark infringement. The main rub here is that Energy Armor markets its wristbands using a logo that is strikingly similar to Electronic Arts logo. Electronic Arts also claims that because Energy Armor markets its wristbands as sports equipment, the trademarks overlap and can cause confusion in the market place.

I can certainly see the concern here. While we have seen a number of dubious trademark lawsuits, most recently with Edge and Scrolls, this is an example of trademark law working as intended. On one hand, we have a business which has spent roughly 30 years building a brand that people recognize and trust and on the other, a business stepping in with a knock off logo used in a way meant to confuse buyers.

Electronic Arts has a very strong case for brand confusion and I really don't see any way out of this mess for Energy Armor other than to change its name or lose in court.

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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:47am

Oh Zack, careful! You are going to lose your job at Techdirt if you start agreeing with the nasty trademark supporting, patent using, copyright loving companies of the world.

Are you part of the #occupytechdirt movement?
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josh_m (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:49am

With the words "Energy Armor" directly below the initials EA, I'd wonder what kind of consumers would think of Electronic Arts instead of, you know, Energy Armor.
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jilocasin (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:54am

Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
With all the ill will EA's engendered with it's love of restrictive DRM, I'm not sure I would go so far as to say people _trust_ it.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:54am

Re:
Eh, I could see someone uninformed thinking that they were a product "from" EA.

Though, given what the product is, I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone who is deceived.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:57am

Re:
Still not buying what you are selling, whatever it is.
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Trails (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:58am

Change its name?!
Sorry, I can kinda maybe get changing the logo.

They're similar and off the cuff I might think Energy Armor logo was for EA.

But change their name? Why?
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blaktron (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:59am

Re:
Remember, moron in a hurry... i can see possible confusion.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:59am

Where is Mike to stop this type of article from appearing on TechDirt, is he sleeping or ill?

I think I know how the stakeholders of this company selected a name, "hmm.. let's think of an established company with great brand recognition in the sports industry and then we can create a knock-off logo." Seriously who would name a company that creates wristbands "Energy Armour", its almost like they are trying to rip on Electronic Arts and UnderAmour. A very flagrant attempt to mislead consumers.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:01am

It's almost like when Wells Fargo sued itself.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:03am

Re:
"You are going to lose your job at Techdirt if you start agreeing with the nasty trademark supporting, patent using, copyright loving companies of the world."

What, are you too afraid of losing your job if you disagree with them?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:04am

Re:
EA is a sports company?
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StarkRG, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:04am

There are right ways to use patents and trademmarks and there are wrong ways. This is one of the right ways.
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:Lobo Santo (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:07am

Re: Re:
Don't they make some football-something video game every year?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:08am

Re: Re:
Zach is getting paid. I am not.
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JaDe, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:11am

Re: Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
That was my first thought.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:12am

Re: Re: Re:
But you are Zach?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:15am

Re: Re: Re:
so playing video games about sports is now and actual sport?

Better go tell some gamers they can now compete in the Olympics.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:17am

Re: Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
Heh, that was my first thought too: well, got the "recognize" part right...

That said, this seems like a pretty genuine case for EA. Although, considering there's some ill feelings out there for Electronic Arts over things they've done to their customer base, if I did confuse these logos at first glance I'd not have wanted anything to do with Energy Armor products anyway. Gotta keep up my personal boycott, you see.
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David, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:19am

EA Sports. Bands. It's in the name.
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Faceless Minion, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:21am

Eh... I can certainly see this one failing the moron in a hurry test. EA is somewhat justified here.

But given EA's general antics, I'd be more wary of buying one of these things for fear of it trying to use an EULA to lock off access to my own arm, more then trusting that it would be a high-quality product.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:25am

Re: Re: Re:
"Zach is getting paid. I am not."

REALLY!!?? How much, exactly, oh all knowing mega-accountant?
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:Lobo Santo (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:25am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Too obvious!

Try a little harder, eh?

Nuance, subtlety, the correct mix of confused dignity, righteous anger, and certitude--these things are required to master "Trolling".

Keep at, you'll get, but you need practice!
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:27am

When I read the title to this article I thought EA (electoric arts) had come so big and dysfunctional that they were suing themselves over their own trademark.

A few giant dysfunctional companies have sued themselves before for violating their own copyright/patent.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:28am

Re:
You must be one of those TD staffers that are getting paid to pretend to be anti-TechDirt trolls.
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Gwiz (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:31am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
I think the figure is around $28,000 per article, but Mike uses standard MPAA/RIAA accounting procedures, so Zach actually owes Mike $216.89.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:33am

Misleading article! When I read the title I immediately assumed that Energy Armor was suing itself!
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Dark Helmet (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:34am

Re:
"Misleading article! When I read the title I immediately assumed that Energy Armor was suing itself!"

...were you in a hurry while you were reading it?
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:51am

Re: Re:
I was running to buy some Energy Armor. Need to get past that damn Alien Swarm.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:53am

Re: Change its name?!
This is what I came in here to ask. I don't think they need to change their name, just their logo.
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Karl (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:55am

Nope
I disagree with this article completely.

First of all, Electronic Arts is a gaming company. One of their titles is sports-related; but they also make Mass Effect, Battlefield, and the Star Wars games. A maker of wristbands is not in the same product space.

To see how dangerous this is, turn it around. Suppose Energy Armor was in business for thirty years, and then Electronic Arts wanted to put out Madden NFL. They would be prevented from doing so, due to a trademark violation against Energy Armor. Electronic Arts - which had, until that point, built up a brand around its video games - would have to change its logo across its entire product line to put out the game.

Second of all, the logos have different fonts, and the lettering looks very different. The only things they have in common are that they are "e" and "a," with the "e" being slanted.

To see how common this style is, let's again flip it around, and see how often something similar is used with A and E.

Applied Engineering:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Engineering

Associated Engineering:
http://www.ae.ca/

Alexander Emelyanenko:
http://www.emelyanenko.com/en/ae_team/

Atlantic Express:
http://www.atlanticexpress.com/

This is not to say that Energy Armor is not intentionally deceiving consumers. But it has nothing to do with Electronic Arts. It has to do with the fact that their "negative ion" wristbands are 100% snake oil, no more legit than homeopathy or phrenology.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:56am

Re: Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
EA's bread and butter is console sports games. It has been for a long time. No DRM in that case. (Even if they are dicking PC gamers.)
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:56am

Re: Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
EA's bread and butter is console sports games. It has been for a long time. No DRM in that case. (Even if they are dicking PC gamers.)
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Karl (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:59am

Re: Re: Re:
Zach is getting paid.

I don't know about Zach, but I've written a couple of articles for Techdirt, and Mike didn't pay me a dime. (He didn't offer, and I didn't ask.)

The accusation that people are paid to post here is one that has been cropping up recently from those who are trying to slander Techdirt, and it is completely wrong.
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Chosen Reject (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:21am

Re:
Let's take a look at the big three intellectual property categories:

Copyright - prevents the public from copying stuff.
Patents - prevents the public from making stuff.
Trademark - protects the public from buying stuff they didn't mean to buy.

Wait, one of those is not like the other.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:22am

"On one hand, we have a business which has spent roughly 30 years building a brand that people recognize and trust and"

Recognize and trust? Are we still talking about EA?
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Paul Alan Levy (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:24am

Good comment from Karl
My reaction is similar to Karl's but perhaps less strongly. Electronic Arts' argument is that the two companies are in related markets, in that both sell their products by association with the same sports and athletes; they may also appeal to similar groups of consumers. This may well be a contestable case, depending on the facts, although Energy Armor's product is pure nonsense as Karl notes, and besides it may well lack the finances to cover the cost of the litigation.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:34am

Re: Nope
While those examples are similar they all look to be derived from Danish/Norwegian letter (windows code = ALT+0198) and not stylized like the EA (game) logo and very similar.

The overlap here is mostly because EA (game) distributes a lot of physical goods as advertising for their sports game.

Heck if EA (bands) had used a different color or texture background then there wouldn't be as strong as a case.
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Scooters (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:38am

Stop the ride, please.
Am I to believe the top logo actually says "EA", and not the "TA" I thought it was, implying their games are nothing but T&A?

I sit here stunned my entire world has just collapsed.

This has not been a good day on the internet, this one.
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Nick, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:48am

Re: Nope
I agree with you totally. I worry what would happen if we're allowing companies to dictate how the logos of other companies look, considering the ONLY similarities are the slant of the E. The font is different, the branch of the A even comes in a different direction (and is a bolt of lightning), and the danged company name is below the logo.

This would be a very dangerous precedent if we can allow companies to essentially trademark a slanted letter.
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E. Zachary Knight (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:11am

Re: Nope
Electronic Arts does more than make sports themed video games, they have a whole line of merchandise that ties into their EA Sports line of games. They also do a lot of promotional work with major league sports teams as well as athletic equipment.

So Yes, I can see someone catching a glance of these wrist bands at the mall and thinking they are Electronic Arts sponsored wrist bands.
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P3T3R5ON (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:21am

"... and can cause confusion in the market place..."
Confusion in the market place? Really?!

At what store will I be going to shopping an EA marked item and suddenly by the wrong one... a shirt instead of a video game? Yes there are places and products where the name is simply how you refer to the product, Coach purses for example. When refering to the product it's always a coach purse because just labeling it purse doesn't count... or so says my wife. Now I don't say it's an EA game because calling it just 'game' would suddenly change how it is referred to. EA sells video games for around the same price as other video game companies. However when you talk Coach vs. Mossimo were talking a couple of hundred bucks in price difference.

In the end, saying that confusion is the source why one logo should never have any amount of similarity to another is simply saying 'i can't trust consumers to by my product based off of the logo alone'... thanks for the trust... i'll go buy somebody elses product not because of the log but because of the product.
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Ed C., 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:29am

Re: Re: Nope
Sorry, but the only kind of person who would buy the "idiot in a hurry" argument is an idiot in a hurry. Well, I guess you and EA are in good company.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:30am

Re: Nope
So, in order to show that EA can't be confused for EA, you demonstrate how AE is a popular mark?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:30am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Ahh, that is the mystery. See, Glynn Moody let the cat out of the bag admitting that he gets paid to post on Techdirt (and seemed to be doing a bang up business this week), so I have to assume that everyone else posting on Techdirt as a contributor is getting paid.

Like you. How much do you get paid per post? Care to come clean?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:31am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Ask Glynn Moody. It is completely right.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:39am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"Like you. How much do you get paid per post? Care to come clean?"

I make absolutely zero dollars and zero sense from Techdirt. Techdirt has never paid me one dime. Nor have I ever asked them to. I write about what I find interesting, they kindly post my work, and I make reference to that work in my business.

More importantly, why do you care?
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Dark Helmet (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:41am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"See, Glynn Moody let the cat out of the bag admitting that he gets paid to post on Techdirt"

Link, please? Not that I really care, I'm just interested in whether or not you're BSing again, TAM....
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Jim Tarber, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:42am

Nice Title, Shame About The Body
The only thing of any value in this article is the title. The rest is hogwash like the litigation itself.

If you went to 100 graphic artists and asked for an EA logo, probably 95 of them would come up with a similar merged/sloping logo. I don't believe there is any intent to leverage the EA name, and that the full "Energy Armor" text below the logo should make that very clear.

Electronic Arts can't hold a trademark on every use of the EA abbreviation. There are bound to be physical products out there with similar logos to theirs, both before and after the "original" EA was founded. Karl said it well, TechDirt has done some great stories, but this article is tabloid junk.

If Electronic Arts changes their logo next year, and it's similar to some other company in another market space, I hope they have just painted a big red target on their backs with this, but arguing the market spaces need not be too close. Hey, it's their argument. I hope someone else uses it against them.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:42am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
He wants to see if he gets shafted for shilling for the Mafiaa.
After all, doesn't everybody here get paid like the shills?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:45am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
I don't need your advice, I have a "Trolling for Dummies Guide"
They use pictures
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DCX2, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:54am

Re: Re: Nope
You'd think that a wrist band whose logo explicitly says "Energy Armor" was made by Electronic Arts?
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Viln (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:54am

How dare they...
I was shocked and appalled to hear some of Energy Armor's business practices. First, they bought up a bunch of other companies who created and manufactured sports bracelets, thereby diminishing competition and diversity. They placed biometric chips in the bracelets to prevent the items from being resold, traded, given or shared with other people... mentioned in passing in overly complex EULA. The chips of course were unnecessarily prominent and caused abrasion, rashes and occasional jolts of electricity or burn marks on the wrists of legitimate, lawful, paying consumers. What's worse, they arrogantly dismissed requests and recommendations from their sporting customers and insisted they knew for a fact that everyone wanted their bracelets either pink or fecal brown, with clunky bulky attachments that occasionally restricted hand movement.

What's that? Energy Armor didn't do any of those things?

Then how the hell are they being confused with EA?
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E. Zachary Knight (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:03am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
I make absolutely zero dollars and zero sense from Techdirt

I can certainly vouch for that. There are times when you make absolutely no 'sense'
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E. Zachary Knight (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:09am

Re: Re: Re: Nope
The phrase 'Energy Armor' is not the emphasis of the log though. The emphasis is the initials 'EA' as it is the largest part.

While yes, there are differentiating marks to the logos, as you point out, they are similar enough that when confronted with a bunch of Electronic Arts merchandise and some Energy Armor merchandise next to it, a customer could be confused.

Now an informed customer, one who takes the time to research their purchase, would not be confused. However, we are talking about a large scale of customers. How many of them take the time to carefully study the product they are looking to buy, especially with wrist bands?
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Dark Helmet (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:13am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
GGGAAAHHH! That's the 2nd time I've done that this week. Ugh...
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Atkray (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:39am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Accusing them of trying to slander Techdirt is giving them too much credit, I am yet to witness any evidence they are that bright.
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PaulT (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:39am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Again, link to where this was "revealed"?
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Paul Hobbs (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:42am

Re: Nope
Whoa! Just a minute there partner. I am a licensed, practising Phrenologist and member of the British Phrenological Society. It sounds to me like you could benefit from a consultation.

So don't be dissing Phrenology. It is to science what Scientology is to religion - completely legitimate, grounded in verifiable fact, and of tremendous benefit to those who receive its ministrations.
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PaulT (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:46am

Re: Change its name?!
I'd assume it would be something to so with EA's trademarking - that is, whatever replacement logo is invented it will probably be dependent on making the letters E and A prominent. That might still be enough to infringe on a further trademark on that abbreviation (which I think EA has, not 100% sure).
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Transbot9, 6 Oct 2011 @ 12:12pm

Re: Re: Recognize, yes. Trust..... I'm not so sure.
Sure there is - it's just usually handled by the console makers. The platform itself handles DRM.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 1:09pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
I am not TAM, but hey, you can work however you want.

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2011/10/registry-of-interests.html

Glynn's own blog. Techdirt is one of his three main sources of income.

Don't you feel like you are getting shafted writing for free?
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John Fenderson (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 1:38pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Oh, good lord, this again??

A commercial blog paid a writer for his product. That's certainly an embarrassment, isn't it? Clearly, this shows that techdirt is somehow shady. It might be different there was an accepted and longstanding practice for publishers to pay writers for their writing.

Seriously, I'm not even sure why this was considered troll-worthy in the first place, let alone of enough import to bring up a second time.

The only explanation I can think of is that you must hate capitalism, you socialist!
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heyidiot (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 1:50pm

Hey, I resemble that remark!
Because what I thought when I saw it was, literally: "Energy Armor - by EA Sports." I probably mentally added "...it's in the game" to the end.
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E. Zachary Knight (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:16pm

Re: Hey, I resemble that remark!
That is actually a good point I had not thought of. I can certainly see a number of people thinking this is a line of EA branded wrist bands.
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Richard (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:30pm

Re: Re: Nope
So, in order to show that EA can't be confused for EA, you demonstrate how AE is a popular mark?

No - how the various holders of similar AE marks haven'tbothered to sue each other.
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btr1701 (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:46pm

Logo
> I really don't see any way out of this mess
> for Energy Armor other than to change its name
> or lose in court.

The don't need to change their name. Just stop using the deceptively similar EA logo.

Other than the logo, there's nothing confusing about the two businesses at all.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 3:57pm

Re: Re: Re: Nope
That is because that mark is a single letter in the Scandinavia alphabet and about the only differentiation is color and/or font.
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Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 4:55pm

Re: Change its name?!
Agreed. To me the logo is close enough to cause confusion. But the name? Why, because it has the same initials? Nonsense. Electronic Arts would never have noticed Energy Armor if they hadn't screwed up with the logo.

My other question is: did Electronic Arts lead with a lawsuit, or did they try a cease-and-desist letter first?
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Tom Anderson, 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:48pm

The anglification of a nearby letter shouldn't be reason to stamp on any other EA out there. The thickness, lightning, round top of the A, etc. are obviously not inspired by EA's logo. The only people who would be confused by this are people who don't know that EA stands for Electronic Arts.

On the other hand, the logo for EA Sports is much more similar. It has the text SPORTS below the EA logo. The EA Sports logo is also trademarked, so I'm wondering if gamasutra just mixed up which trademark is being threatened here.
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Karl (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:59pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Ask Glynn Moody. It is completely right.

Ah. Since one person got paid to post articles here, that must mean that everyone who posts comments that you don't agree with are paid to shill Mike's opinions.

Yeah, that makes sense.

This is really just a transparent attempt to discredit the opinions of anyone who vaguely agrees with Mike. It is, of course, total nonsense, and nobody is buying it. I'm sure that won't stop you all from bringing it up ad nauseum, whether relevant or not, since you don't have any response to the merits of the arguments themselves.
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Karl (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:03pm

Re: Good comment from Karl
My reaction is similar to Karl's but perhaps less strongly.

I probably worded it a bit stronger than I intended, but hopefully I made my point.

I do see a remote possibility for trademark confusion; I just happen to disagree that it crosses the line into infringement.

And, yeah, the product is pure nonsense.
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Karl (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:35pm

Re: Re: Re: Nope
No - how the various holders of similar AE marks haven't bothered to sue each other.

Actually, it was about how the typographical idea of slanting one letter to match another is incredibly common. (In "AE," the first letter, "A," is slanted to the right, so its right leg is the horizontal part of the E. In "EA," it's the reverse - the first letter, "E," is slanted to the right, to match the "A.")

Aside from having the letters "E" and "A," this is the only thing the logos have in common.
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Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2011 @ 4:03am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nope
But that's wrong, because the mark you refer to is not AE but �. And i'm pretty sure you can't get trademark on a letter.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 7 Oct 2011 @ 5:58am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Fair enough, and thanks for posting the link to back up your statement. It's....refreshing.

That said, no, I don't feel shafted in any way. I love Techdirt. I love the articles, the community, the commenting, even the detractors. The chance to write about something I'm passionate about and have it posted here is rewarding enough for me. In addition, as I mentioned before, I reference my writing for Techdirt in my work, both in my "real" job as a technology consultant, and you better believe I reference my writing for Techdirt in every query letter that goes out to an agent or publisher.

Pay comes in different ways. I assure you, I am EXCEPTIONALLY well paid for what I do with Techdirt, even if that pay isn't based on paper or silver....
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Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2011 @ 9:24am

Re: Re:
EA Sports is a division of EA. I can't say that I've seen them selling wrist bands though. Although they do sell other merch.
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indieThing, 7 Oct 2011 @ 9:29am

Re: Nope
I'm surprised we haven't heard of them sueing others. Whilst working for EA (games), I looked out of the window in one of the London offices and saw a van parked outside with almost the exact same logo as EA, more so than this one, but they were a plumbing company. I mentioned it in passing to a colleague, and we both had a good laugh wondering when they would be sued.
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Karl (profile), 9 Oct 2011 @ 6:59am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nope
But that's wrong, because the mark you refer to is not AE but �.

The marks that I linked to did not use "AE" as a single vowel, but used them as an abbreviation for the letters "A" and "E."

In any case, I think it just proves my point. The idea of slanting one letter to match another, is so common-sense, that it has been used to combine letters for as long as that vowel has been around.
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ScytheNoire, 9 Oct 2011 @ 10:29am

EA is right for once
While I think most trademark lawsuits are bullshit, like the Scrolls one, in this case, I think Electronic Arts has a case because they really are so similar, it almost seems as though Energy Armor is doing it on purpose. Plus Energy Armor is a scam, so that won't look very good in the eyes of a court.
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TaCktiX, 9 Oct 2011 @ 10:23pm

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Because actually having a mastery of the nuances of English is only possible when it's explained in pictures...
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